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The 2nd Amendment (USA), the right to own guns


Dawid  
23 Nov 2008 /  #211
but I do believe they are making or already made a law in which holds the parent who owned the gun responsible..

Nothing like adding a little government interference to complicate what will already be a horrible family tragedy.
sledz  23 | 2247  
23 Nov 2008 /  #212
I am merely suggesting a new way to protect children from getting hurt

Where there are children guns should be locked up in a safe at all time.
When I hear of these tragic accidents, I believe the parents should be held accountable.

If we ever have to turn all our guns in, Do you think the criminals will?
Having guns can be a detournement, a burglar has to think twice before breaking into sombodys home.

I dont see any need for these automatic weapons like uzi`s on the street.
Military yes, but not for the public
Dawid  
23 Nov 2008 /  #213
I dont see any need for these automatic weapons like uzi`s on the street.

Americans agree. You are spreading disinformation. There are no real uzis, no real M16s, and no real AK47s on the streets. Only semi-automatic sporting versions (tylko półautomatyczny). A previous poster had tried to explain this, but apparently to no avail.
sledz  23 | 2247  
23 Nov 2008 /  #214
You are spreading disinformation

I dont mean to do that, I was using the uzi as a example but some of these assult rifles like a Ar15 can me modified to become automatic.

If you live out in the country fine but here in a big city ?
Dawid  
23 Nov 2008 /  #215
I dont mean to do that, I was using the uzi as a example but some of these assult rifles like a Ar15 can me modified to become automatic.

Not easily. The civilian receiver is a much different design. It's not a simple matter of filing down the sear like in the movies. In addition to bolts, sears, selectors, stampings, and other parts being different in the lower receiver, the gas systems also have different settings. You would need to have your own machine shop, and be a highly qualified gunsmith, to conduct such a modification. Not a common criminal with a file and screwdriver. And where would you test your work? Shoot it and somebody will hear, and police will come.

As for foreign weapons (AK-47s, Uzis) being imported to US, similar rules apply. The original receivers are destroyed, and replaced by US-made receivers that are designed strictly for semi-automatic use. Many Polish Tantal and Beryl military rifles from Poland are now being imported to US like this for sporting. Poland is making millions off its old military surplus rifles.

Probably easier to find a fully automatic weapon, such as PPSh, in Poland, hidden away in some old barn or roof of a farmhouse, than in US.
miranda  
23 Nov 2008 /  #216
We the average American realize that there are problems.

I can see progress!!!!!!!

But you never see many Americans leaving America.

no, actually there are some posting on PF who left for Poland of all places.

We need no advise from transplants. ( OUCH )

I was not giving you any advice. You would not listen anyways:). Besides, I charge for it.

Canada what has that country ever done??

in what respect. There are many contributions to the world considering how small it is. Look it up if you are really interested.

Sorry, couldn't resist.. they hate us anyway.

Less than you think. It is an easy target for jokes though;)
Wahldo  
23 Nov 2008 /  #217
Less than you think. It is an easy target for jokes though;)

I know you and Polishcanuck don't ;- )
miranda  
23 Nov 2008 /  #218
I know you

not true. I have been critical, it doesn't mean I dislike Americans. Big difference.
sledz  23 | 2247  
23 Nov 2008 /  #219
Not easily. The civilian receiver is a much different design. It's not a simple matter of filing down the sear like in the movies. In addition to bolts, sears, selectors, stampings, and other parts being different in the lower receiver, the gas systems also have different settings. You would need to have your own machine shop, and be a highly qualified gunsmith,

If its that hard to modify, they sure made it sound like an epidemic when they were banning the assult rifles.
This was some time back if I remember correctly

in what respect.

I`m just messing with my northernly neighbors:)
Its it cold enough yet...your cold air has made its way down here, you can have it back now..dziekuje bardzo:)
Franek  8 | 271  
23 Nov 2008 /  #220
We the average American realize that there are problems. I can see progress!!!!!!!

Ohhh! Sometimes you can be sooo cute. Knowing you as well as I do.. You managed to get a sarcastic shot in. ARRRGH!

no, actually there are some posting on PF who left for Poland of all places.

They are a minority of losers that could not make it in America. Thery were probably ex social workers

I was not giving you any advice. You would not listen anyways:). Besides, I charge for it.

Oh yeah, sure. Miranda, you are one pushy broad, with a knack of telling others what to do. You are right. I wouldnt listen to your dogma
Wahldo  
23 Nov 2008 /  #221
not true. I have been critical, it doesn't mean I dislike Americans. Big difference

No, I meant I know you don't hate the US, people anyway.
Dawid  
23 Nov 2008 /  #222
If its that hard to modify, they sure made it sound like an epidemic when they were banning the assult rifles.
This was some time back if I remember correctly

You're talking about the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. The legislation was complete nonsense, had no appreciable effect, and was purely for political gain to make Bill Clinton's constituency believe he was doing something constructive by the provocative name of the bill, which evokes visions of big black fully-automatic assault rifles through the minds of voters. There was no epidemic before, and the bill didn't solve anything.

Fact is, assault rifles were already banned in the US. The bill simply banned certain configurations of features and options on semi-automatic sporting rifles with detachable magazines. For example, you could not have a folding stock (korba) and bayonet (bagnet) together on the same sporting rifle. It was purely cosmetic. The way it was written, it even affected guns that were from the WWII era.
miranda  
23 Nov 2008 /  #223
I`m just messing with my northernly neighbors:)
Its it cold enough yet...your cold air has made its way down here, you can have it back now..dziekuje bardzo:)

yah, blame it on the Canadian current. How about a warm hat/tuk.:) Cholera jasna!!!!!!

Ohhh! Sometimes you can be sooo cute.

what do you mean sometimes? I am cute.

Knowing you as well as I do..

Shh...... it was supposed to be our secret. LOL

You managed to get a sarcastic shot in. ARRRGH!

I have always managed, it just so happened that you missed it (again) LOL

Thery were probably ex social workers

Yah, I am paranoid too, I just don't know about it.

Oh yeah, sure. Miranda, you are one pushy broad, with a knack of telling others what to do.

Why would I tell you what to do, you are a grown up.

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ahem, this is a little outdated Franus, give us a new image:) cheers
Franek  8 | 271  
24 Nov 2008 /  #224
HA,HA, I have to admit. You are a challenge.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
24 Nov 2008 /  #225
And you, Sir, are challenged!! ;)

Just kidding, you are a nice character to have on board.

Don't worry Franus, Obama won't revoke the 2nd Amendment
Franek  8 | 271  
24 Nov 2008 /  #226
Don't worry Franus, Obama won't revoke the 2nd Amendment

Well! now.Who ever thought that you and I could be civil to each other. That's good. I was always leerie of you, and tried to be careful how I approached you. Now at last I find that you have some warm blood flowing through your veins.

I think that you should be advised, that I am not a gun nut.( But I do plead guilty of the other thingy that you accuse me of) I own two guns. But have never fired them in over 50 yrs. With me, it is just a man thing.. So I am not as evil as you think that I am.

Screw OBAMA.

As for my other smiley being old. HAH! So am I. It is the sign of the times
Seanus  15 | 19666  
24 Nov 2008 /  #227
Nah, some of the logic is sound. Like for self defence in your own home. I swung round to your way of thinking.

Here's a toast to decency :)
Franek  8 | 271  
24 Nov 2008 /  #228
Nah, some of the logic is sound. Like for self defence in your own home. I swung round to your way of thinking.

See Seanus. You young bucks can learn a lot from us old geezers.

Ignore the post above. That was meant for Miranda.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
24 Nov 2008 /  #229
I'm a believer in that, that our elders can pass down their expertise. I don't take it to Japanese levels though.

Young buck, geez, you must be over the hill, LOL I'm 31, not young in this day and age. That's oji-san (grandad) in Japanese. When you hit 30, you become old. Hmm...bizarre!!
Franek  8 | 271  
24 Nov 2008 /  #230
Young buck, geez, you must be over the hill,

Dang, Seanus. I thought that you knew how old I was. Here is a hint. I landed on Utah beach on june 6th 1944.. I was a 18 yr old kid at that time.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
24 Nov 2008 /  #231
Geez, you have a few years on me then ;) 82/83, respect!! Fractionally younger than my dziadek
Dawid  
24 Nov 2008 /  #232
I landed on Utah beach on june 6th 1944.. I was a 18 yr old kid at that time.

Forgive my skepticism, but based on your usage of the English language here, which is a pretty good indicator of age, I would say you landed on Utah beach on June 6th 1944 while playing Medal of Honor Allied Assault.
Wroclaw  44 | 5359  
24 Nov 2008 /  #233
Forgive my skepticism,

I think you'll find that Franek speaks the truth.
Franek  8 | 271  
24 Nov 2008 /  #234
Forgive my skepticism, but based on your usage of the English language here, which is a pretty good indicator of age, I would say you landed on Utah beach on June 6th 1944 while playing Medal of Honor Allied Assault.

AHHH! Another skeptic.. But I consider this a compliment.
I have been accused through life on many occasions of having a horrible accent..I have a mere 8th grade education in a Polish speaking Parochial school. I am a product of the great American depression, therefore there was no time to continue schooling.. My family needed financial help.. So I was sent to a farm along with my Grandmother to pick beans.

Now I am highly complimented by your compliment your observance of my language. You are not the first person to doubt my age.

Test me on any question of war on the western front during WW2..Trust me, I wont have to use google.
Dawid  
24 Nov 2008 /  #235
I think you'll find that Franek speaks the truth.

I don't discount the possibility. But an 82+ year old Internet user is unusual enough in and of itself, much less being a Utah beach veteran. I have a Masters in history and wrote my thesis on WWII. In all of my research, I never found a single WWII veteran who was Internet-savvy. Not a single one! Often their sons or more likely grandsons would post messages about their fathers. But it was never from a primary source. Franek would be the first. So while not impossible, it would defy all odds. And the fact that he often sounds like a 25 year old doesn't help my skepticism. And I don't mean education, I'm talking about Generation X slang.

If there was a WWII Utah Beach veteran who was Internet savvy, I would expect so see a large abundance of materials citing him directly, including interviews, articles, etc. As the only known Internet-savvy WWII veteran, he would be in very high demand by the media. How about references to a few stories citing him by name? Any reporter would have had to vet him. That would be proof. Not answering WWII trivia questions.

And frankly, I've only been a member of PF for a few weeks, but the number of fraudulent posters here is extremely high. It's like there's a core group of schizophrenics who like to post using their different personalities.
Franek  8 | 271  
24 Nov 2008 /  #236
If there was a WWII Utah Beach veteran who was Internet savvy, I would expect so see a large abundance of materials citing him directly, including interviews, articles, etc. As the only known Internet-savvy WWII veteran, he would be in very high demand by the media.

Well now. It looks like FRANUS has to convince you.. Well Ok, that will be no problem.

When you have time, and you are interested. Go into WW2 TALK, it is on the net. You may have trouble navigating that site, I know that I did from the beginning. Look up veterans. You will see my name in there as Franek. There are more of us in there that are computer savvy. Go into search.. Type in the battle of the bulge. And then Remagan.. You will see some of my experiences while talking to others that were there.
Lotnik767  3 | 145  
24 Nov 2008 /  #237
Love guns I just came back from a hunting trip it was fun!!
dcchris  8 | 432  
24 Nov 2008 /  #238
a hunting trip

with Dick Chaney? haha
loco polaco  3 | 352  
24 Nov 2008 /  #239
obviously not as he is still here.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
24 Nov 2008 /  #240
Let's fire off a few shots as a tribute to Franek.

I disagreed with the Vietnam War but fully with the necessity for WWII. We appreciate your effort, well, at least I do.

Kompania Bracia is an excellent account of America's involvement in WWII. Their skill and bravery was legendary. I don't know how popular it was in Poland but my sincere hope is that it was well received.

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