The 2nd Amendment (USA), the right to own guns

Do you work for the Postal Service ?

i know plenty of people that own them.. they are a blast. ;D

lol,I love this logic....Who gave you this "right to bear arms"?The british? or the revolotionary govt that needed soldiers to fight the british?And surly,you started fighting the british before the second amendment was signed? So anyway,I dont know how to ,make this clearer....The US obsesion with guns has nothing to do with fighting redcoats and more to do with holywood and scaremongerig media.

Guns dont kill people,people do....whatever,thought it was the bullets smashing through flesh and destroying internal organs that killed people....

a person has to pull the trigger for the bullet to be doing damage.

yep, Bambi's mum.....
yep,people used to get in toe to toe scraps in this country,you know,fight it out man to man,now that doesnt happen,to many loons think they are f in Gangsta biys,blam blam,you is dead ya get me........

Nope. We gave it to ourselves when we created our country.


You're painting in very broad strokes now...

no he's not.. that's exactly how i am. ;) fo shizzle. rofl

What was I thinking? Where be dat isthatu honky? Ima bust a cap in his ass! :-)

lol... glad you looked inside yourself a bit more.

Personally I feel it is a right. I also do not believe the U.S. second amendment has anything at all to do with "hunting" or "sporting use" although I do support those things. Rather I believe it is about empowering the citizens, especially compared to those of contemporary nations, or for that matter, today as well. Interestingly enough people were originally permitted to own firearms during colonial British rule; while there was rioting and general uproar over unfair tax policies etc. the first shots fired in anger were when rather than address the issues, the then government sent troops to disarm the populace and things did not go as planned.

Personally I feel it is an individual right, as "militias" of the time were no more than organized groups of local citizens in homemade uniforms, not government organized armies such as the modern day national guard.

As such I also believe that if a soldier is allowed to carry a certain weapon then with training (just like driving a car, power comes with responsibility), so should a citizen. Even AKs or M16s.

Murder has been illegal for millenia in scores of governments. The methodology or tools used are IMHO irrelevant after that fact.
incidentally...AFAIK in most cases in U.S. where a firearm is used in self defense, it is not actually fired but merely alluded to or brandished in some fashion causing would be attackers to reconsider...

btw holding an innocent person at gunpoint is assault w/a deadly weapon not to mention a few other things. Sorry that happened to you, hope he didn't get away with it...

John P.

John,

Good points. I agree with some and I don't exactly see eye to eye with you on a 1 or 2 others.

That's besides the point. I just looked at your profile and saw that you were a serviceman.

Thank you for doing what you do for us and our country.

Cheers,

Karl

so, that automatically makes him gun toting?

Everyone is issued a firearm in the military.

I was thanking him for doing the job that he's doing. He's protecting my life and that of my family's with his.

they don't get to keep it though.

True enough!

Thanks Karl for the kind words! and about that other part-no, we don't get to keep them but I can wish...
Others I wouldn't want as I doubt I could afford to maintain it let alone buy bullets for practice or fun at the rate it uses them...(minigun, M240, etc) still lots of fun during training, not so much when things are for real.

Still I think if we are going to trust a citizen to vote then why not trust them with more? Swiss citizens have automatic weapons in their homes...and a low crime rate. Its all a riddle I guess...

John P.

Sorry,fairly narrow stroke actually,I didnt make it clear,I was talking about the UK,always 15 years behind on US bad trends :) The gun crime in the UK is hugely black on black and "gang releted" or white boys pretending to be compton gangbangers. The UK has some of the most restrictive mesaures agsinst legal gun ownership yet time ad time it is proven that the guns used in crimes are not being used by nice card carrying members of the local rifle club. Our olympic pistol shooters have to travel to France to practice!!! Yet an 11 year old boy was blasted in the head a few months ago! Just glad we dont have the gun crime on the level you guys have it,I still fid it reasuring that I live in a country where the Police do not routinely carry guns.

the only country with a higher suicide rate with guns than switzerland is... wait for it... america...

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Then I apologize. :-)

BW...saying Switzerland has a high rate of gun-suicide is irrelevant to the topic. The problem in those cases isn't the method used but why someone would want to commit suicide in the first place...

Percentage of suicides using guns has nothing to do with the overall Swiss crime rate, which is low.
Interestingly, the areas of U S with highest crime rate are also the ones with the most restrictions on gun ownership...(LA, NYC, DC etc)...

John P.

The problem begets itself.

We get school and work off here in Erie.


Wouldn't we all.... :]

..Or Iraqis

and who wouldn't love to drop kick Hilary? She's kind of a retard, let's not even talk about her husband....

I can't wait to vote in the primary next Tuesday so that I can vote for someone other than her....

???

suicide by gun is as relevant to the topic as homocide by gun

Saturday morning in chicago.. 4 more deaths execution style.. because someone
was able to purchase a gun..

they robbed a lane Bryant store.. a womens clothing store..took all these
people in the back room bound and gagged and killed them ...

It's a horrible tragedy and my hart goes out to the victims families.

Nevertheless there will be some who will point out that a major tragedy like this one probably happens only about once a year in a Nation of over 300 million. Also, if the mall security or the victims where allowed to CCW (Carry Concealed Weapons) this might not have happened at all.

I am a responsible gun owner myself, although rather neutral on this issue. I am really not sure if we should or not ban firearms in the US. I'm not so sure if we even could ban'em. It would never fly in here, people simply do not want it.

I think that the Brady Law was OK w/ me, assault weapons ban is OK with me, so is the waiting period to purchase a firearm, background check and all that, but I don't think a total ban on guns is even possible in this Country. Most of the people are against it.

youre kidding yourself...

quit blaming legal purchases.. i bet this one wasn't. most gun crime is comited with illegal guns.. meaning stolen or aquired in an illegal manner.

Not many people will buy a gun legally and actually use it for criminal purposes. Of course you'll run into a few (hopefully not) who are indeed psychotic in one way or another, but I agree that most of thesse crimes are made with stolen weapons.