The 2nd Amendment (USA), the right to own guns

yeah, i miss mine.. it makes no sense to have it locked up when going hunting.. on the back glass was a perfect spot.


so is a 22 but boy will it bring a deer down. it all depends on the shooter anyway. :)


one more time.. not in my state. no such direct law exist.


99% of the time the sounds of one being cocked will do the trick anyway. :D

thats why you keep the gun locked up. you also teach child gun is not a toy.
banning guns because of kids, such a b.s argument


your thoughts are that of a liberal, you have not evolved yet.


the united states constitution gives no inbetween on this issue

It would be cool to have the right to own a tank as well.

you can own a tank legally in many countries including the united states.
you cannot arm it though.


i think thats overplayed.
me cocking my .40 (which i wouldnt because it has a round in the pipe) would scare off a person just as quick.
my 40 cal also has a lazer built into the grip. pointing that lazer anywhere a person can see it im guessing would make them turn around

what retarded logic....a car is made to transport people as safely as possible.A gun is made with one purpose,to despatch people to the afterlife......


it was liberal ideas that founded the US,you just sound off like rush limbaugh...truelly unevolved....


the constitution,as pointed out by many allows militias the right to carry arms,muzzle loading muskets at the time of writing the amensment.....jeez,I know this better than you and Im just a lil ole Brit.


guesing you dont exactly fill out your swim trunks.......

where does it say you can only have one type of gun??


A sharp tongue does not mean you have a keen mind, don't let your mind wander, it's far too small to be let out on its own


more people die in car wrecks than do by guns. because of all the deaths, its really not safe for people to drive

Sharp tongued? Well evolved? A wandering mind?

overplayed? lol.. sure, sure..


not the same as 12ga pump man.


silent but as if not more effective..

a large dog is the best deterrent in da hood.


that is not true although BOTH statements are in amendment #2. the statement isn't inclusive though. it is one and the other but not together. the comma in the makes it so.

This is SO true. 10 years ago I was part of an ASF (auxiliary security force-kind of like a part-time military police, when not doing my regular job) and much of our training was conducted by members of CA highway patrol, LAPD, and at the time a few people from Marine reconnaissance BTN and SEAL team 3 and 5 (only a LITTLE bit of the training, mind you, room clearing and that sort of thing-I'm no SEAL or commando or any of that sort). To a person, all of the ones with outside police experience had at least one experience where the SOUND of a 12 GA. being "racked" stopped the fight before it began. I believe them. It is a terrifying sound, and world wide, people know the devastation of a 12GA shotgun. I'm all for not having to fire, given the choice.


No BS, in some states, you can actually own one. Pretty much ALL states you can own a demilitarized one. Not like you can go down to the store and buy 105mm shells, now you know? sometimes collectors (almost always filthy rich to afford toys like these-what do they get, maybe .3 MPG?) in states like Nevada and Arizona have get togethers and go zorching around in their tanks and shooting the main guns at distant targets. Sounds like a lot of fun, were I a multi-millionaire. I HAVE ridden around as a boy in a surplus jeep on old logging trails-that was F-U-N ! I recommend it, if you get the chance. Just if you are in back, hang on, as it's easy to get bounced out of the jeep.


While the prevalence of laser pointers has since reduced the psychological effect of a laser sight, there are some police forces who specifically got laser sights because a subject, perhaps in a hostage situation, is less likely to think you can't hit him when there are about 30 red dots on his chest. However, on my end of things, as a gunner, my fear is that lasers work both ways. If I use a visible laser on a target, his buddies now just have to aim at the source of the beam...even now, at night we have infrared lasers on our machine guns (on the helicopter) but while they are boresighted, they are used primarily to identify a target, in short bursts-not to aim the weapon. The bad guys have night vision too. (Even in the dark, it is important to know you are shooting at the RIGHT target-there could be friendlies and all sorts of others you don't want to shoot in the area. So a laser helps, in that "are these the ones shooting at you??" kind of way).

Oxnard, CA SWAT came out with an idea that I really like also for a home defense tool. Their weapons are armed with small cannisters of OC spray-so when entering a home the lethal option is not their ONLY option....My thinking is if someone enters your home and you've already highlighted him with your weapon light (or other bright flashlight) and know he is "unfriendly" and a split second later hosed him with pepper-if he keeps at you -e is determined and well, finger inside the trigger guard and shoot to stop, as the saying goes.


To a point. During those same aforementioned years, a friend of mine was a dog handler. The DOGS were amazing-honestly I think some of them were smarter than their handlers. Some people can laugh down the barrel of a 9mm....but the same people freeze in fear when they hear "Release the DOG!". Still, always helps to have a backup, as most people's pooches aren't the nasty animals they hope them to be....

John P.

i agree. i have a 130 pound shepard. while he is tame around people when i walk him, people walk to the other side of the street and turn the other way when im walking the dog, lol.

people have a primal fear of getting bitten.

I grew up with many collectable and working guns in the home, and German Shepherds (and a few wolf hybrids). None of us kids every shot anyone, and I felt that was pretty amazing, since I thought my half siblings weren't necessarily all there in the brainpan. We had toy guns, but had been taught if you didn't know the difference, do not touch it, bring an adult! The weight was a sheer indicator. I was taught to shoot since I was nine.

Oftentimes, kids are shot by trying to pick up a gun, to give to their parents in the house.

As for dogs, I scared a pitbull owner, because they got stupid with me. The dumb dog growled at me, and the owner asked me, "So, what would you do, if my dog got loose, and attacked you?", I coldly replied, "Kill it." He never brought the dog near me again, hah! I much prefer German Shepherds or Rotties any day.

what's wrong with pits? they are great dogs. i had one of those too. :)

Oh, I love pits - when they aren't abused. BTW - all but ONE of that guy's fighting pits are in rehabilitation! The female they had to put down, was the one who'd been raped and abused one too many times...poor thing.

There was a time when everyone in America wanted a pit, and 'Our Gang' had a pretty white one, with black around her eye. I just recalled a story, that's all.

I just prefer German Shepherds, because I grew up with them. I once was chased up a tree by two Dobies, because I couldn't tell if they were friendly or not, so I wasn't taking any chances. 'Red Feather' and 'Brutus,' we became friends after that incident, lol.

In truth, the only dogs I haven't liked I can count on one hand - and it was how the owner treated them, that made them nasty. I used to do wolf, and wolf hybrid rescue, and fell in love with those animals! The love and trust they freely give you - well, beats all dogs hands down. BUT - they simply don't belong in a house, or captive. Wild animals are so much more needy than you could ever believe, and it takes up much of your time. 'Shadow' was a black Canadian wolf I helped to rescue from breeders, who brought him into California illegally. I was the first person he trusted, and all he wanted was to be petted, tummy rubbed, and talked to nicely! He'd been beaten at the kennel, so was afraid of men. I still miss him, he would actually dance with me, and you can guess what I sang to him, while we danced, lol.

I've been an avid firearms enthusiast for over 20 years, I've never hunted, and I've never had to pull a firearm on someone (I live in a somewhat dangerous city). I've also been shooting and collecting submchineguns and supressors since 1994. My family has over $100,000.00 invested in firearms since the 1920s. Its a tradition. Its a hobby that I love, it takes concentration, hand-eye coordination, and muscle control.

Outlawing firearms would be the same as outlawing automobiles because of drunk driving.

The truth is, even if you outlawed firearms, criminals would still use them.

To truly get rid of gun violence will take a change in mindset, don't give people reason to commit crimes. Raise your children with strong morals (not specifically religious), and help your fellow man.

Just because some worthless sack of $h!t can't handle his personal problems like a man, means that I lose a passion in my life along with an investment that spanned several generations of my family?

but the surprise is there as well as the unknown. i get the same response (action) from people when i walk my dog, as marek_s, and my dog is 1/2 the weight of his. but he is black for the most part and black dogs seem to come across as less friendly, i guess.

42 states allow NFA firearms. The majority require you to:

Be a US citizen, 21 years of age
Have never been convicted of a felony
Receive a sign-off from a local sheriff
Submit fingerprints, a passport photo, a 4 page application, and a $200 "tax" to the BATF.

After a complete background check (takes approximately 6 months), you recieve a "tax stamp" and paperwork with the serial number for the firearm.

After all that you still have to pay for the firearm (ranging from $1,200 for a MAC11 to $80,000 for a Vulcan).

This "tax stamp" must accompany the firearms at ALL times. If you're caught without the paperwork, or let someone else posses the firearm while not in your immediate presence, then its a standard 10 year imprisonment/$10,000.00 fine (up to 15 years and $510,000.00 fine) for BOTH parties involved.

AFAIK there have been 2 cases since 1933 where NFA/Class 3 firearms have been used during a crime.

One was a police officer using his firearm to take out a drug dealer (not in self defense), the second was a Taiwanese Doctor who went off the deep end and killed his former employer.

Also, civilians are limited to purchasing machine guns that were manufactured prior to 1986. So as the pool of "transferrable" firearms shrinks, the prices go up.

In 1985 you could purchase an M16 for ~$700 plus the $200 tax. As of 2007 the market value of an M16 in the same condition is ~$15,000-$18,000.

Though you can still purchase Short Barreled Rifiles and suppressors that are currently manufactured.


The 5.56 was DESIGNED to injure, not to kill. The thinking was that if you injure a combatant it disables that person, along with at least one other enemy combatant to care for him.

To the poster above, no you can't legally own a nuclear device, but you can purchase just about everything else (tanks, fighter planes, rocket launchers, grenade launchers, explosives, etc.)

If all the "anti gunners" really knew how many REAL and LEGAL "assault weapons" were in the hands of law abiding civilians, they'd have seizures.

Currently its ~260,000 and shrinking.

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the constitution,as pointed out by many allows militias the right to carry arms,muzzle loading muskets at the time of writing the amensment.....jeez,I know this better than you and Im just a lil ole Brit.[/qu

Wrong. The constitution reads that it includes the individuals right to bear arms

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights found by the U.S. Supreme Court, in District of Columbia v. Heller (June 26, 2008), to protect the pre-existing INDIVIDUALS right to possess and carry weapons (i.e., "keep and bear arms") in case of confrontation.

I`m buying a new one
Colt Python .357 magnum with 6" barrell, like new $400
cant beat that deal, I really dont want that long or a barrel, but anything made by Colt can only go up in value:)

yep but theres more adults that arent responsible with guns then children, thats how the children get ahold of them in the first place..

how many adults kill other adults VS children..

lets face facts.. the guns are used for more violence then for hunting.

I never shot anybody:)

Because you haven't shot anybody, doesn't mean others haven't and is FAR from a refutation of what Pat19 said.

I know I was messing with her:)

There are responsible gun owners and being one of them I believe in my constitutional right to bear arms and protect my family.
I could care less what people half way around the world think about this, being
its none of there business.

Aha, so it's ok for an American to concern himself with so many issues around the world but not for Europeans to concern themselves with anything American?

I dont get involved in your politics, but you sure do seem to have an opinion
about america, matter of fact you must spend 18 hours a day on this forum talking crap..dont you have anything better to do with your time??

18 hours a day, I don't think so. This is my down time. I do a lot of different things during the day. Again, you ducked my question.

Maybe I should be out drinking copious amounts of alcohol, how does that sit with you?

Let's put it out there to other forum members, do I write crap? Go on, ask people, some will agree with you for sure but...

You haven't only just noticed this, have you? Not all Americans poke their noses into other countries' business, but some who do still go for this apparent set of double standards.

Working, as I do, in the countryside, there are people I see on a day-to-day basis who use guns. They aren't a particularly effective way of controlling the rabbit population because rabbits breed like um... anyway, nobody I know who has a gun suggests anything to do with self-defence about them. They are purely for shooting small furry animals or more occasionally, for sport shooting non-furry, non-animal targets.

There should be controls on who can have or use guns and how they are used. It seems that even in America there are controls. I don't think in America these controls are strict enough (I know someone has posted a load of stuff about this that I haven't fully digested), but in the UK these controls may be a little on the strong side. Criminals still have guns over here.

Awww! come on Seanus. Sledge is right. This is no body elses business what we do in America. This is our country. So buzz off.

As far as Americans dwelling in your business is bull crap.. The average American couldnt care less what you guys do.. It is true, Our Politicians should mind their own business.

yah, but this is because they are unaware of what is going on, including their own county;)

When do you see me concerning myself with European affairs???


6655 posts???
give me a break I see you on here at 5am then when i get home after work then youll be till nightime...whats that like 3 am where you live

Franek:
The average American couldnt care less what you guys do.

yah, but this is because they are unaware of what is going on, including their own county;)

Canada doesnt have much to brag about, what has that county ever accomplished?

Aha, so if America decides to talk about nuking Iran, it's none of the global community's business? Well, it's none of your business what Europe should be doing about protecting Europeans!! This friggin 'shield' shows up, come off it!! Yes, I had politicians in mind Franek, and I know you know that.

This is a discussion. When it becomes an AMERICAN ONLY thread, I'll bail out gracefully. It's not an American forum let me remind you.

Aha, when the day comes for the EU to become very powerful, mark my words, the 'average' American will change their tune.

Sledz, that has been the case but that's my business. Also, you don't know my work schedule so butt out.