The 2nd Amendment (USA), the right to own guns

of course its different you clown - it shows 2 totally different sets of data

wiki shows suicide rate

the other site shows death by firearm - which includes suicide

the difference in data should be obvious

lol

Bubba, why are you so worried about my country? You take care of yours, I take care of mine. You don't like our system, do not visit, that's all. Thanks for the concern, anyways!

im not worried about your country - why should i give a flying fuk if americans are shooting themselves...not my problem... just pointing out the facts to you as you seem to have problems grasping them

You're wrong there. This crap diffuses. Look at the influx of immigrants from south of the U.S and the direct correlation of gun deaths. Look at how many immigrants the U.K is receiving. You will face the problem yourself. Your system is prone as well.

Boy, all that anger, Bubba... I hope you don't own a gun... LOL Like I said, fire arms are NOT for everyone i.e. Bubba seems to have some anger issues hehe

small difference between the uk an us... illegality of guns


and what was that you said about running out of inteligent things to say...?

its easy to make you look a fool but youre doing such a good job yourself that im going to boil the kettle instead

HUH.. I'LL HAVE WHAT YOU'RE SMOKI'

:D

I'm smoking a Macadamia-Vanilla nut flavoured cigar at the moment :)

with guns?

Here is the list again. Obviously the right to own a gun has very little to do with the suicide rate:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

You know what's funny? It looks like the worst factor in the suicide rates is... speaking Russian!
6 out of the top 10 countries have Russian as one of their official languages:

1. Lithuania
2. Belarus
3. Russia
4. Kazakhstan
8. Latvia
10. Ukraine

lolrof

right but i think bubba has a valid point even though you don't seem to consider it.

Oh yeah, it is true; it's easier to shoot yourself in a head rather then let's say jump off a bridge, but according to the list above - there are more suicides per capita in "non-gun" countries then in the US.

I have a feeling that his motivation to be so vigilant in this subject may have been different then just a conviction to the cause of a gun-free society.

and that is probably right on.. however, less guns would mean that there would be even less suicide in the states as it wouldn't be as easy to commit.

did you post numbers that are something to the effect of 'suicide by guns only'? that'd be the only set of data worth looking at, imho. otherwise, these two topics aren't really that related...


i have no idea what his or anyones' motiviation on this forum may be.. it doesn't really concern me not does it really matter in this subject matter.. i'll argue just to argue.. i'm sure there are others that do the same..

El Gato, the Constitution explicitly states that every citizen has the right to own firearms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Good to know that the guy walkin across the street could take me out at any moment, how reassuring. Glad to be in 'reasonable' Europe

Firearms need to be legalized to keep citizens safe and to enable them to revolt against a government that has become too powerful.

Some things you might want to see:


Regulating the arms trade is safer and better for all citizens.

For the myth between guns, suicides, crimes, and death, see Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? by Don Kates and Gary Mauser.
law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

interesting articles - is there a western country that has changed legislation to allow ownership of fire arms, what impact has this had on gun related homocide/suicide and was there an increase of both during the transition stage?

So, when I shoot sb and go to prison, I should feel safe there?

We killed most of the Indians and the British don't want us back so why the need for a militia? This is one "right" that needs to be infringed.

Interesting articles. While we Americans are generally allowed to own firearms it is interesting to me that the areas with the highest murder rates, gun violence rates and for that matter, crime rates in general, are the ones in which guns are banned or extremely restricted. (NY, LA, DC etc come to mind) Areas with widespread legal firearms ownership also tend to have lower violent crime rate.

Is there a connection? I think so.
John P.

research seems to suggest a connection and supports the relationship between legal ownership and reduced crime rate as you say - are criminals more detered by the possibility of their victims carrying a gun than by the police force?

That may be true JohnP but, like Saddam Hussein, do u want to run the risk of sth happening? A well-placed bullet can end a life. By allowing people to have guns, u directly increase the chances of a shooting. Don't u think Europeans think about self protection too? We don't use guns to do it

There is no such ammendment in all of the American Constitution.
2nd ammendment allows people to bear arms. Nothing original. People had that right since time immemorial, and still do. Except some middle eastern cultures where they professed the rule of "eye for an eye, arm for an arm"

Norway has one of the biggest percetange of guns per civialian ,still we have very few deaths by guns. I think it has more to do with the culture than with the guns itself.

I myself have 2 Pistols and a Steyr AUG assault rifle, but i would never dream of pointing them at someone.

Norway is a purer culture than America, immeasurably so. There isn't racial tension anything like on the same scale. Rap has glamourised guns, Black Metal hasn't. Norwegians don't need to hide behind guns.

No ,we still love our axes and swords, hehe

I checked it out on Wikipedia, here is the list:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

United States 90
Yemen 61
Finland 55
Switzerland 46
Iraq 39
Serbia 37.5
France 32
Canada 31.5
Sweden 31.5
Austria 31
Germany 30

Norway is not on the list at all!

And there is a reason for that, cause we did not have to register guns ,the register is only 20 years old. :)

I think so, because IMHO private firearm owners are more of a preventative measure, preventing the crime in the first place generally through deterrence, etc. whereas police typically are a reactive force, other than traffic enforcement, etc... as it is impossible to have police presence at everyone's house, all the time.

When police respond to a violent crime it has already been committed. An armed private citizen, on the other hand, could possibly prevent the crime in the first place.

I'm rambling a bit but I think you know what I mean.
John P.

I don't think there's been any nation that has drastically changed gun laws, or at least there hasn't been any study done on a nation in transition from one policy to the other.

BUT, based on all the available data, we'd have to expect the crime rate to go down as firearms become more available.


Most crimes are committed in countries with extremely strict firearm regulation and most crimes are committed with "illegal" (non-registered) guns.

On the other hand, crime rate is SIGNIFICANTLY lower in areas with more accessible firearms.


No, that is one of our most important rights.

First of all, if we ban militias, we're essentially also breaking our first amendment rights (right to assemble).

Second of all, we need a militia as a countermeasure of a government with the potential to become too powerful.


Quoted for the truth.


Yes.

In certain areas of Texas, criminals are even afraid of just breaking and entering into someone's home, let alone assaulting people.

The government cannot be everywhere to protect you, which is why criminals exist. On the other hand, common people with guns can be around everywhere, which is why crime rates are lower in areas with less gun regulation.


You obviously just ignored all the evidence I posted.

When a nation reduces firearm regulation, violent crime tends to go down.

The issue here is regulating firearms but not overregulating them. They need to be accessible to all mentally stable citizens.