The 2nd Amendment (USA), the right to own guns

right, but these people and the news make it sound like the laws we already have on the books aren't working while indeed they are.

the fact that america has the highest suicide-by-gun rate in the world means nothing i take it... somehow these deaths dont count

I bet that many countries with a firearm ban have a much higher suicide-by-jumping-under-the-train rate. Should they ban trains then?

Or maybe it makes no freaking difference, because if someone wants to end it, they'll find a way?

the point has gone wooosh over your head mate - which isnt actually a suprise

Dude, couldn't you find anything inteligent to say; out of ideas?

your reasoning doesnt warrant an inteligent reply - if you want to be given credence go and do a bit of reading about suicide

O.k, say I want to kill myself, without a real great mess. I want to get it over with, quick and painless. Hanging? No. Shot to the head? Yes, that works.

I go the local gun shop and pick up a .22 Revolver and take it back to my house. I go upstairs to my room, and blow my head off.

Now rewind that and perhaps look at something that could have prevented it. Stricter gun laws on the shop? Maybe. Me being less ****** up in the head? A great possibility.

Deeper, underlying fact is that society is a lot more screwed in the head, if you will, and even if you got rid of all the guns in the U.S, the suicide rates would be the same. Whether they would use some drugs, or something else, depressed people find a way.

More guns= more suicides? No, you can't prove that.

However, in regards to murder rates, I agree that guns play a HUGE role in that. I mean, most of the twats that use guns to kill someone are cowards, and can't use their hands or a different weapon. You get rid of the guns, I bet there would be a sharp increase in the number of stabbings etc. Certainly there would be less fatal killings though, and a lot of people would be saved.

suicide rate or by gun.. by gun is pretty irrelevent, imho.

Whatever Bubba, I just pointed out that when you are out of arguments you're stooping down to personal attacks.

As I said, I am rather neutral on this issue. I wouldn't mind if there was a ban on firearms, although I would have to give up my handgun and my shotgun. The thing is, how do you take away guns from the low-abiding citizens who do not want the ban? And most people in this country DO NOT want such a ban.

unfortunately this is not the case and again shows little understanding of the circumstances in which people kill themselves

broadly speaking people who commit suicide can be divided into 2 types - those who have given a degree of thought to taking their lives and those that kill themsleves almost as a rash decision - spur of the moment.

the ready availability of guns in both america and switzerland makes killing yourself as a result of a rash decision a lot easier than walking out of the house and finding a train to jump in front of.

its not a case of walking down to the gun shop so you can buy a gun and shoot yourself, its a case of having a fire arm at home, easily accessible in moments of distress. the process of putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger is a lot easier then taking pills and lying down waiting to die.

if you put a gun to your head and pull the trigger you cant change your mind, call the hospital and get your stomach pumped

this is the reason why both america and switzerland have the highest suicide-by-gun rates - becasue the are sitting at home in the drawer


as i said - when you have something inteligent to say i will give you an inteligent reply - when you just babble without thought i will call you a clown

You do have a point, but wouldn't you say that its a societal problem as much as the accesibility? I know Japan is probably up there with the U.S and Switzerland. Economy is pushing people to their limits. No more can someone be happy with just a warm home, a nice meal, or a glass of wine.. Push, push, push!

doesn't seem to hold water with was are the facts in Australia.


what about canada or norway? lot's of guns and in fact more per capita then usa or sui.

It is always better to choose a gun over hanging yourself.

its a different subject Filios - high suicide rates are obviously a societal issue but unfortunately a lot of people end up killing themselves with fire arms because of these spur of the moment decisions who wouldnt be at risk if the guns werent there.

many people wish themselves dead at one point or another - some go on to plan their death but most just get thru their down period - many people take overdoses because they are feeling sh!t with their life and then change their mind and go to hospital. you cant do this if you shoot yourself in the head

I think you could describe this whole argument as the personal freedom vs. a need for a safe society.
For instance, you could ban alcohol and make the society safer, but many (not all) societies prefer to take the route of personal freedom in this matter. They do that despite knowing that some people will get into fights, accidents, become alcoholics or even die. Some other cultures have baned alcohol, making live safer, but less free.

Same way, you can ban firearms and make your society safer, but less free. The choice belongs to us.

the choice does belong to you, and at the moment america keeps the gun. in the uk we had one too many tragedies involving firearms and changed our laws. guns are still a problem, illegal guns largely used for criminal purposes

Well good. This way you can decide about the laws in your own country and we'll take care of ours.

Norway has one of the highest suicide rates, I don't know about Canada.

What about Japan? It has to be high up there...

Yes,the Japanese think they are all samuraj.Actually Hungary has one of the highest suicide rates.I think in Norway,Sweden it happens due to boredom.In Hungary well...

Canada's Silent Tragedy
safety-council.org/info/community/suicide.html

unfortunately 92% suicides are due to firearms

There are too few asphyxiophiles around.

Check it out: "List of countries by suicide rate" from Wikipedia.

1. Lithuania
2. Belarus
3. Russia
(...)
12. Belgum
13. Finland
(...)
19. france
20. Austria
...
22. Swtzerland
...
29. denmark
30. Germany
...
45. USA
...
60. GB
...

The buttom of the list:
95. Honduras
95. Jordan
95. St. Kitts and Nevis

wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Hmm.. Eastern europe still with the highest rates, sadly.
Wow, and look at the male to female ratio. A few times higher for males in each country..

I know the cause for there.

Interesting, isn't? All poor countrys on the buttom. Makes you think, ha?
Also all the Carrabean countrys are on the buttom of the list...
Jamaica #93: No problem, mon! LOL

check out this list of gun deaths per 100,000 population

USA homocide 3.98 suicide 5.92 other 0.36

Italy homocide 0.81 suicide 1.1 other 0.07

Switzerland homocide 0.50 suicide 5.8 other 0.10

"Data on suicide and firearms from other countries can be viewed as a warning to us in the UK of some of the effects of firearm possession. Most articles show that the storage of a firearm in the home predicts an increased rate of a violent death."

gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

Too busy getting stoned to think about suicide!

suicide rate amongst canabis users is comparitively high

dont take drugs

Bubba, that comes from a website called "Gun Control Network" lol
Not exactly unbiased, wouldn't you say?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Wikipedia's data is totally different.


Yah mon!