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Unemployed due to Polish who work in the UK


polish_pete  
21 Jun 2007 /  #1
I have no faith left in the system, I had a job working in manual labour , when i was made redundent because they wanted to get two poles for the price of me, I have been out of work for a month and am behind in my rent and facing eviction , only to have poles move in opposite who apparently have just come to this country, but have sky TV a new car, and brand new clothes.

I went to town the other day to do some shopping and many shops are now stocking polish food, giving us English limited choice in our shops.

How do you poles feel about this on here.
witek 1 | 587  
21 Jun 2007 /  #3
, I had a job working in manual labour , when i was made redundent because they wanted to get two poles for the price of me, I have been out of work for a month and am behind in my rent and facing eviction , only to have poles move in opposite who apparently have just come to this country, but have sky TV a new car, and brand new clothes.

it is called Natural Selection where the weak die off and strong who can adapt prosper
ukinpoland 5 | 338  
21 Jun 2007 /  #4
Do you feel bad about us English people going to different countries and taking local peoples jobs at language schools, or buying vast amounts of property and pushing up prices for the locals. Do you feel bad that the south of Spain has been turned into a mini Uk with people singing get your Ti** out evrywhere and throwing up in people restaraunts.??? Im guessing the answer to that is no. Its not a problem for us to do this to many other countries but when someone dares to come from another country and try to get a job its a problem. Polish food in shops??? No no no??? What ever next??

You lost your job because the EMPLOYER wants Polish staff, you have 'less' selection of food(by the way im sure the Polish food takes up about 6 shelves in a shop) because the SHOP wants to make money.

Go find a new job and do something to help yourself.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
21 Jun 2007 /  #5
shops are now stocking polish food, giving us English limited choice in our shops.

so you've never eaten a curry or a kebab then?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
21 Jun 2007 /  #6
I'm in two minds over this. 1. People have the freedom to move about. 2. Germans are starting to take building jobs here in Wroclaw.

Yes, I can see your point. One difference, shops here seem to make a point of not selling English food. It's Tesco's policy not to sell English/British food.
ukinpoland 5 | 338  
21 Jun 2007 /  #7
shops are now stocking polish food, giving us English limited choice in our shops.

Wait a minute... Shops are stocking a new type of food and you have LESS choice??? Something doesnt add up here.
Justyna69  
21 Jun 2007 /  #8
taking local peoples jobs at language schools

I am Polish but i can't agree with this statement. As far as "Native Speaker" jobs, we couldn't do it anyway. A Polish teacher couldn't do what you guys can.
ukinpoland 5 | 338  
21 Jun 2007 /  #9
I disagree. Most Polish English language teachers know far more grammar than most Native speakers because for us it is harder to explain. Also I have met many Polish people with heavy English and American accents who could do the job just as well as a native speaker. It makes me feel sorry for them because they might spend 5 or 6 years of their life studying to be a teacher and have a very very good accent, but get turned away because of their nationality. (the point that many English people are complaing about back home)
Justyna69  
21 Jun 2007 /  #10
grammar

I'm not talking about grammar

Polish people with heavy English and American accents

Well i'm Polish and i have met many Polish/English teachers going to many different language schools and i wouldn't want any of these teachers to teach me pronunciation. So in this case i don't see any damage to the local job market as far as native speakers teaching in Poland.
ukinpoland 5 | 338  
21 Jun 2007 /  #11
Maybe because youre not interested in becoming an English teacher. Sorry you have only meant low standard teachers but there are many good ones around. With regards to grammar its one of the most important things for a teacher to show his or her class.

The rest is just pronounciation, which anyone can do if they have a good accent.
Justyna69  
21 Jun 2007 /  #12
youre not interested in becoming an English teacher

yes but I'm interested to learn English that people really use in countries like UK, USA, Canada etc. It's a fact of life, if I want to learn Russian I'd like to learn it from a Russian person and so is with English. I know you're trying to be very respectful toward us and thank you for that but the fact is a fact :-)
curlyspy007 - | 93  
21 Jun 2007 /  #13
I have no faith left in the system

There are only a small % of polish here and i think its great they are here, they work hard and make money to have a better life and i take my hat off to that.

They dont cause trouble after clubs and bars close up and down the country its 80% the brits sorry to say and further more, there are other eastern europeans here not just polish. i really dont know whats everyones beef is about the poles.

Its not the eastern europeans that are taking away the the housing and "dole"...there is a very high % of somlalians milking the system something rotton even getting their morgages paid for, i mean if you only knew the fugures and how they are getting away with it...i know this for a fact!!!

Im a english man, and this country has gone down the pan, so why not milk it for its wealth, join the club i say because protests and letters are a thing of the past.. put up or shut up, thats how it is in todays world...if i have offended anyone i apologise..P.S. anyone interested in sky give us a shout...hihi
ola123  
21 Jun 2007 /  #14
How do you poles feel about this on here.

I feel absolutely fantastic, thanks.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
21 Jun 2007 /  #15
Im trying to be objective here, if this guy doesnt have a good education and the only jobs he can get are manual labouring jobs he off his ass and going out to earn a living, (there are lots that dont in this country so my heart goes out to him) - and then his company decide that their is a cheaper labour pool to tap into, yes its unfair, but lets not blame the Polish, employers are doing the dirty...what the solution is I have no idea, but I am aware of this happening.

And CP you are soooo right in your 3rd paragraph, jeez they showed a programme on and this family were given a car because they had so many children, they thought it would be easier for them than using public transport....welcome to good old britain :)
bunia 1 | 134  
21 Jun 2007 /  #16
I am Polish but i can't agree with this statement. As far as "Native Speaker" jobs, we couldn't do it anyway. A Polish teacher couldn't do what you guys can

yes but I'm interested to learn English that people really use in countries like UK, USA, Canada etc.

Justyna i do understand what you mean, but trust me - you can have great pronunciation but without proper gramma you will sound like uneducated person. There is English and English - by the way people create their sentences and use gramma you can tell what "class" they are.

And still i think we shouldnt get rid of our polish accent when we spek English - that makes us unique :) And they say it sounds cute ^^
Justyna69  
21 Jun 2007 /  #17
sounds cute

It may sound cute :) but when it comes to living and working in these countries i would prefer to have an accent that people are able to understand.For one it shows my respect to the country and for two it makes my life easier. It gives me an opportunity for a better job.
curlyspy007 - | 93  
21 Jun 2007 /  #18
shows my respect to the country and for two it makes my life easier.

i agree
bunia 1 | 134  
21 Jun 2007 /  #19
would prefer to have an accent that people are able to understand

They do understand polish accent :)
And i still think we should keep our accent. If all people spoke in exact same way it would be boring :)
And yes sometimes you are judged by your accent especially when it comes to getting a job but i like my polish accent :)
witek 1 | 587  
21 Jun 2007 /  #20
It may sound cute :) but when it comes to living and working in these countries i would prefer to have an accent that people are able to understand.For one it shows my respect to the country and for two it makes my life easier. It gives me an opportunity for a better job.

it really doesn't matter if you have an accent or not.
curlyspy007 - | 93  
21 Jun 2007 /  #21
your accent especially when it comes to getting a job but i like my polish accent :)

not everyone is judged by their accent but more of a understanding for each other and communication...
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
21 Jun 2007 /  #22
And i still think we should keep our accent.

I foreigne accent is just fine. but and Im sure Mr CP will back me up on this.

If a person goes for a job interview for a very nice corporate company - they will be judged on how they speak
espana 17 | 911  
21 Jun 2007 /  #23
Do you feel bad that the south of Spain has been turned into a mini Uk with people singing get your Ti** out evrywhere and throwing up in people restaraunts.??? Im guessing the answer to that is no.

they bring more money pushing up the economic wealth ,not coming earning all the money and them taking back to their own country
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
21 Jun 2007 /  #24
Big kisses to my special Espanola....

Back on topic, lets face it this country has gone to hell in hand cart as Jim Reeves predicted about 15 years ago, and there is little if anything we can do
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
21 Jun 2007 /  #25
it really doesn't matter if you have an accent or not.

Yes it does. It can mean the difference between getting a job and not getting a job.

You should aim for what is called mid-atlantic. It's when you sound English or maybe American, but you can't be pigeon holed.

Another thing I've noticed about accent is that you can tell who was taught by a Polish national and a foreign national. To give yourself an individual sound, speak to many different people.
curlyspy007 - | 93  
21 Jun 2007 /  #26
If a person goes for a job interview for a very nice corporate company

Well its all about the communication skills and the understanding of the interviewer, if the person had an accent but spoke well and the interviewer understood every single word then its all go 'you start monday morning, there is your office let me introduce you to mary (your PA) so dont be late and welcome to the firm my boy' simple as......well not quite hehe
espana 17 | 911  
21 Jun 2007 /  #27
into a mini Uk with people singing get your Ti** out evrywhere and throwing up in people restaraunts

that is your idea but for me is to many respectful english families and by the way you are not spanish ..so dont talk about spain
ukinpoland 5 | 338  
21 Jun 2007 /  #28
Im not Polish either but I wont stop talking about it. I have been to South of Spain many times and thereore I am entitled to give my opinions, as are you about Poland and England. Have a nice evening.
Justyna69  
21 Jun 2007 /  #29
they will be judged on how they speak

thank you :-)
espana 17 | 911  
21 Jun 2007 /  #30
well you can talk also about the nice families who travel to spain too
may be you cant speak about that becouse you are the typical tourist with club 18-30

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