Unemployed due to Polish who work in the UK

and drive down the independance of the individual by offering cheap housing, which of course everyone jumped at the chance, but the clever back lash of not being able to fight back against the employer for fear of loosing your job. The morgage company doesn't care about morals. Unions therefore lost the ability to wield power or influence over the government. For anyone not following... The government gets total power over the people.


Not since the Industrial revolution, but you do have a point. Cheap labour was used then as well to the Governments advantage.

Why not?


I love your written style of English, a shame you are not here now to help me with my latest essay!


Yes, I understand that, I was only asking why? Why Polish of all the languages in the World? What is so special about that country or language? It was not meant as criticism but as a non Polish person there is normally a deeper reason that drives people to a particular area and sphere of interest. For example, people study accountancy because there are good financial rewards at the end of the tunnel-that is still a goal, all the same though. If you had some young Dutch children in your place, would you run off to Amsterdam with your phrase-book?

Thatcherism created an enviroment that transfered power from the collective back to the individual. Markets regained the possibility of setting prices in relation to supply and demand and not government policy dominate by union influence. Union influence that prior to Thatcherism had no regard for market competiveness or the long term financial health of the country.

England also ended up with no industry and became a "nation of service providers" which we are no longer since we outsource that too to places like India. So please tell me what Thatcher did what was so great. Coal miners and steel workers and dockers would argue different to your mentality so would those that had fort hard for the unions.

This is a natural process in highly developed countries! Thatcher forced change on industries that were costing the British tax payer billions of pounds. Socialist economics is dead.! Funding industries that are uncompetitive on the world stage is a road to economic destruction for future generations. The children of steel workers, miners and dockers have been given access to other opportunities that their parents could only dream of.

And what about the communities that were supported by those in industries...you forget about the devistation in certain areas of England...the total desintirgation of whole communities, families torn apart, I may sound a bit dramatic, but you can be as clinical as you like and boast the facts but the reality was very harsh and very different.


How do you know? Those children had a rough time because their parents were out of work and had very little hope.

the steel workers, miners and dockers were quite happy doing the jobs they did, they never dreamed of living in communities where every child's father was unemployed, that's what happened in the pit villages.

What opportunities did the children of men who had lost their jobs have, that previous generations whose fathers were in full time emplyment not have? free school dinners because their families were so poor?

Oh and lets not forget the stigma attached to that, oh also how all the shops closed in the villages because there was no money to be spent :) Arrrhhh what good ole times they were :(

but think of the opportunity it gave to the shopkeepers to take early retirement. And nobody could afford to run a car anymore, so that saved the planet from global warming. I need a delerious looking smilie

i was married to a man who was half dutch and no i wouldn't go to holland.
I can't explain why i'm doing it it just feels right. spookie stuff i know but i believe in fate and all that stuff.

You will be able to enjoy Poland and its culture(yes and frankfurters). Im sure you will do well over here.

I can't take much more of this lol ****** frankfurters. ;-)

You must have been on some wage if it covers the employment of two Polish people (even on minimum wage!).

I think its fantastic that many shops are stocking Polish food. I have to say, its absolute rubbish that the choice is limited now in shops. Think about the food you actually eat Pete, I'd be willing to bet that over 50% is not of English origin anyway. Do you eat Chinese, Indian or Mexican? Do you eat Pizza? Well, that's of Italian origin just like pasta etc. Kebabs are not English. Use your Internet connection for a better purpose and find out what you're talking about!

And, I am not normally this mean, but if you are really without money and facing eviction then you could probably save £30 a month by cancelling your Broadband connection!

You obviously dont shop in Sainsburys then! Oh how did we ever manage :)

LOL

And I'm laughing at that Pete guy because choice now, is better than its ever been (even in Sainsbury's!).

Economics is not governed by morality. Markets react to data and industries are born and die because of their economic competiveness. Governments can only delay, at tremendous cost to future generations, the inevitable. Reality is harsh and those that trade in it have a responsibility to all. Some understand and have the guts to force competiveness that ultimately saves jobs. Competiveness that in the long term creates financial discipline that attracts investment in new start up industries. Others seek to lie and manipulate market forces for short term political gain.

And all the above I understand.

Michal, your are polish pretending to be English, aren't you? lol

We went to Woking on Sunday afternoon. We walked around the town and heard a lot of Polish spoken everywhere. Now it explains why there are no Polish left in Poland-they are all in Woking! We went in to a little shop taken over by the Poles called Maria. This is a little food shop selling everything Polish that you can also now buy in Tescos but at twice the price-avoid it if you can.

A similar thing is happening in Leicester, a shop run by Poles just outside the city centre is selling the same Polish foods as a shop less than a mile away run by Turks. Almost everything in the shop run by Poles is between 10-50% more expensive hence the reason I've stopped shopping there.

Michal. Thats a little sad. Shopping is fun with the person you love. When I went shopping with my Ex we talked and laughed and I didnt care who heard that she was from Poland. I loved her and that was that. Dont worry about what people think. As long as you love her isnt that the most important?

I think that you are right but to tell you the truth some of the novelty has worn off. I think that I have already wrote something similar to the fact that fifteen years ago when we started to live together here in England and Polishnes was unique in England really, though of course, there has always been an older generation since the war. However, we go to a nice Chinese restaurant in Woking and we have Polish spoken to our left, Polish spoken to our right. Then on the streets outside you see them all the time and even 'worse' if that is the word, at the A3 car boot every Sunday morning! It is really hard to think that you are not walking around a Russian market on the outskirts of Gdansk! I suppose it is a new World that we live in and I can understand the young wanting to do teaching certificates and travel East. Why not-it is a good education but I remember the old Poland as it was with the old Zloty-the Pewex-the MO before the police came in to being and as for cars, the old East German Trambant-pure luxury! I suppose that whilst the Berlin Wall stood there was something magical about Communism rather like the forbidden fruits, you needed a visa and there was something really special about learning Russian and Polish. Now all these places just look like anywhere else.

The employer got 2 hard working Poles for the same price as one useless lazy 'worker'.
Open your eyes and look around you.Millions off Brits have flooded into Australia,New Zealand,Canada & USA and swamped the original inhabitants.I love Britain but much prefer hard working,non trouble making Polish people than scummy Brit chavs,criminal Somali and Pakistani gangs and all the other trash.Decent people from anywhere are welcome but not the lowlifes.I have not seen many Polish lowlifes compared to other nationalities (especially Pakistani/Somalis)

Truebrit - thanks for your post. You're a great honest man. God bless you.

I think that you are being a bit hard on him


Yes, but then these countries have strict points systems for allowing immigration-at least that is the case in Australia. If I was younger, I would go to Australia, but without being married to an Australian citizen I have almost no chance at all of getting in.

It has taken me 18 months to "flood" into Canada to work and live. And believe me it isn't easy. Only because of my qualifications and the fact i had a company sponsoring me..

Probably you are lucky and have age on your side too.

More likely experience Michal. I'm 41 so not exactly a spring chicken... But thanks :-)

I know that the age limit for Australia is forty five but as you say, you had a sponsor, which helped. For me, my dream was always to go to Australia, even from a very early age but I know now, that it sadly will never be. For that reason I could never accept second best and become a CELTA teacher in Poland as it is simply not the same thing that I always wanted.

I merely pointed out a fact.Tens of millions of Brits and descendants of Brits live in these countries.You applied in the correct way but there are plenty who went there on holiday and overstayed.Also,back in the 1960s and 1970s just being British was the only qualification required.