So where are all you unemployed hard done by workers then?????

I have placed two adverts on here looking for skilled building workers offering good terms, conditions etc. and not one reply what a waste of time!!!! I was under the impression that life in Poland was dire and that Polish people wanted to expand their horizons and increase their life quality it seems that this is not the case. Now for me it is not a problem as if you can't be bothered to answer a simple request then perhaps your work ethics lack integrity also.

they work too hard to answer your post:).not many polish builders are fans of the internet let alone this forum.a lot of this guys can understand english but can't write.write an advert which you can put on display in where you live(post office window,local newsagent ect) send it here we will translate it into Polish .i am sure you will find a lot of builders.

Thanks Rafik for your helpful/ constructive comments.

I like the Polish work protochol, and without being patronising, the people and that is why I am trying to utilise (not exploite) the Polish skills. I want to place an advert in a Polish newspaper but for a 'non' national I don't know where to start, perhaps someone could help with this????

Thanks again, I am a little more encouraged

i would do it the way i told you.
if you write a simple note with your companys name,phone number,rate of pay,condition ect it will work out much better than an advert in a newspaper,you can also add that if they don't speak very good english they can get someone to call on their behalf or help during their interview unless you are only prepared to take on people who are fluent in english.

this is the way the poles are looking for jobs,belive me i started like that:).
a lot of the polish guys look at the windows of newsagents post offices while looking for flats/rooms ect.try this and then come back and tell us about it.feel free to send your adv we can translate it for you.good l;uck:)

Sorry to disappoint you, but Polish people are not that eager to leave their country. It's not that we are that desperate to go abroad. Even when the pay is decent it's not an easy decision to make, and leave people that you love behind.

And I really don't like your attitude. I don't know you, but taking under consideration the tone of your first post you seem to be a bit childish, and unprofessional. Nevertheless, I wish you luck with your search.

well .he is the victim of the british media which picture the situation in poland as hopeless.that's why he was so dissapointed.anyway i think that he will find who he's looking for if he follows my advice. i know a few builders who don't work in their jobs because of poor english.they can't neither read nor write in english.you know what our builders are like,especially the older ones(in their 40ties 50ties) how many of them can speak english? if he is brave enough to encourage this guys who speak no english but they are good at what they r doing he will find a lot of good workers

Yes, I know, because during my London period I was working as a cladding fixer...:) I was the only one from my "polish crew", aside from my "polish boss", that could actually communicate with our English supervisors, safety guys and other non-polish workers on the construction site. I was a real blessing for my boss. :)

yep that's true. i work for the company which employs about 100 poles and very few can communicate in english.that's why putting an adv in a newspaper doesn't make any sense,they don't read any unless it is something in polish

I would like to remind you it is not just the English media that upsets British people. I like many other British builders are trained and time served in the UK for over 20 years now. In the last 2 years i charge £120 a day for my skills only to find Polish labour trying to undercut me by charging £60 per day.. I have no problem with people trying to better themselves and provide for their families but there must be some restrictions. Britain, and London especially cannot cope with the mass influx of immigration in such a short space of time.

I believe this is a goverment issue that has to be resolved.. I appreciate you taking the time to read this post.

instead of picking on the polish workers,try to convince your goverment to get rid of all so-called asylum seekers who drain money from your country.they don't do nothing but ask for money and lower your living standards.they come here,don't pay any taxes,nothing.every single motherfucker gets a free house and some spending money ect.doesn't it rise the price of houses?free health care.a lot of them carry some diseases so they have to be treated as soon as possible.then you get all this problems with muslim terrorists ect.this is what your real problem is not the polish builders

Rafik, Asylum seekers are few in number (around 6000 a quarter), many want very much to work but are not allowed to by law.

Unfortunately prejudiced views (similar to yours) serve to hinder their efforts to utilise their skills as employers are wary of employing a refugee.

The benefits system in England needs to be looked at, but it is not only (a minority of) asylum seekers who are abusing the system. Since EU expansion we have had an extra 15,000 claimants from Poland/Eastern European countries. Instead of swatting away the wasps, why not clear up the dollop of jam that attracts them?

With regard to house prices, basic laws of economics dictate that an increase in demand that is not met with an increase in supply causes an increase in price. Asylum seekers are hardly the most affluent bunch and have no money to influence the market with. The flood of eastern europeans have caused a dramatic increase in rental prices and as landlords scrabble to buy up houses to put them in, this in turn pushes up the purchase price of property. It is the Poles and E/Europeans that are damaging our housing market, not to mention lowering peoples wages which is far more detrimental to the quality of life in the UK than the small number of asylum seekers who come here.

The Poles are doing what the English would do under the same circumstances, looking for a better life that simply isn't available at home. Despite that, the unprecedented numbers (around a million) and mismanagement of integration of these entrants has caused a great deal of tension within England.

Our wages are being driven down and our communities overrun (see Slough for reference).

People also find it hard to accept the "race issues" that many Polish appear to have. Poland is governed by right wing bigots so such prejudice is common and apparently accepted in your country. England has tried to advance from the days of brainless racism, homophobia and prejudice and alot of us find the behaviour of young Polish men (racially abusing people in Londons streets) very unpleasant. I know that there are many good Polish people, but the "ugly face" is always easier to see. In the case of the Poles, the "ugly face" is that of the begging young man with a can of high strength lager who then shouts at an Indian for not being white. Imagine if the Poles were treated with such prejudice by their English hosts?

Immigration in England is a complex issue, but what is unquestionable is that EU expansion is seen as having been mismanaged and detrimental to our way of life in England.

England NEEDS immigrants and a managed immigration policy. What we have is a benefits system that attracts scum and a policy towards Europe that has resulted in an overwhelming invasion of people escaping their "sinking ship" countries.

The Poles are doing what the English would do under the same circumstances, looking for a better life that simply isn't available at home.

Life is not better here only value of pounds- it is only one thing that attracts people.

Why don't you blame your leftie government but Polish people?

Maybe go for a walk and have a look who lives on council estates and sucks your society?

I can't see there many polish who work in England , and also pay taxes for those suckers good life.

I have been living here for 4 years , work all the time didn't even use your crap NHS with long queues and dirty hospitals.

England has tried to advance from the days of brainless racism, homophobia and prejudice and alot of us find the behaviour of young Polish men (racially abusing people in Londons streets) very unpleasant.

Quite interesting- I think that in a last years few innocent , black boys were killed- and such a surprise!!! not by polish but by those nice, tolerant british boys.

Well what a hornets nest I have unearthed!!!!! quite frankly Matyjasz I don't give a damn whether you like my attitude or not or whether I appear to be unprofessional, I am shooting from the hip and if you don't like a bit of honest critisism then perhaps you should stay under whatever stone it is that you live under.

As for my being childish well read the other comments about my having big ears etc, I was trying to get a frank debate going and some straight answers to a question as to why Polish labourers are not as forthcoming as I thought. It seems the only sensible comments came from Rafik & Dissilousioned Builder. So apart from placing an add in a shop window and the other suggestions made where are all of the workers then???

Oh by the way Lef the authoress is Enid not Edith Blyton, but well done anyway.

maybe noone was interested in your offer. that is all.

You sound like little sulky child.

and you are not very nice person so why are we to help you???

Yes.. I think that we can all see that..

Is Cornelius an assylum seeker in the UK or a hardcore leftie.. hmmm ? I can bet he`s a leftie.

And to anwser the question of this topic:

So where are all you unemployed hard done by workers then?????

Poland has an official unemplyment rate of 15,2% - about 1/3 of those people has jobs in the gray economy - those people are registered as unemployed to cash in the free healt ensurence as well as to evade taxes. Another 1/3 of those 15,2% is registered as unemployed but prefers to do nothing, cose they prefer to cash in the unemployment benefit rather than searching for a job - and the last 1/3 are the people who indeed for various reasons aren`t able to find any job (hint - the unemployed are somewhere here)

What about people working abroad? That would easily add up to 20%-$22 of total unemployment rate in Poland.

it is strange that you didn't find anyone yet.do you get out of the office sometimes:).
is this kind of work so complicated that just skilled workers with diplomas can do it?
maybe just try to get someone,train him/them and see what they can?why do you want to hire Polish guys?according to people like decorator or marylin the poles are only half skilled compared to the english workers:)

Noddy is a kids programme - big ears is his side-kick - highly entertaining - the new mini is like the interior of Noddy's car!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noddy
anagramgenius.com/archive/noddya.html

he looks like pinochcio who never lied:)

To answer Rafik, I don't work in an office :) but reading this there are a load of anal orifices making comments (look it up in an English dictionary if you don't understand) and no the work is not hard and you don't need a diploma, it's a positive point if you have one but not that important, as long as you understand building protocol. All I was looking for was 4 or 5 hard working guys or (girls) who wanted to earn between 14&18 euros an hour renovating buildings.

As for 'Guest' (comment 31 & 32) I'm not asking for your specific help just an answer to a simple question. Maybe its too simple for you to comprehend??? Reading back through the past pages/forum subjects it seems that I am not the only one who has experienced difficulty in sourcing good straight honest workers. All I see is females and young girls wanting to go to the USA, work as models in Holland or poles offering their services working on farms ( Yes I know that there are lots of other people seeking other work I am giving examples) Maybe that's the answer I advertise for young females offering them modeling jobs and give them boots and hard hats and get them to model walls out of bricks and mortar!!!! Right lets wait for the negative and banal responses from the halfwits!!!

If you need skilled builders, take a look at unemployed Britain. I am sure there must be hundreds of young men like me who are looking for a job they do not get because you are all looking in the wrong countries.

Perhaps you should not talk about integrity at all?


I am an electrician with a military background. Nothing wrong with my work ethics. Would it be a problem if I am not Polish?

<< look at my details for an email?

noddy,
I am impressed with your extensive vocabulary and your attitude. You should have no problem attracting Polish workers.

You probably consider yourself a savior, offering generous wages to homeless, destitute and impecunious Poles. :)

Perhaps, you are just an obnoxious SOB and no one wants to work for you.

ta ta

..the total number of people who are able to work is 17,1 million

..the total number of all of the people who are working abroad in ALL of Europe is circa 650 thousand.

..which makes that the % of those who work abroad of the total Polish workforce in Europe is as 65div(1710+65) = 0,036 = 3,6%

So if I would add this to the 15,2% it would make 18,8%..

But adding this to that number makes no sense.. cose all of those 650 thousand people have jobs - hence they aren`t unemployed.. Most of them would be able to find jobs in Poland.. and the 15,2% figure makes no sense cose though we have c.a. 2,6 million registered unmeployed in this country - only some 900 thousand is actually unemployed.

Hey Opts thanks for the compliment, could it be that it's because I was educated in England thats the reason I have a good vocabulary!!! I guess it's you who are the sophistical rhetorician inebriated with the exuberance of your own verbosity.

Yes I have looked at employing my own fellow country men but sadly they are too unreliable and to be blunt lazy, hence my desire (now fading fast in the light of the crap that is spouted on here) to employ some Polish guys, being a saviour and all that.!!! I guess to you Opts I probably am an obnoxious SOB (which again to you probably means Saviour of Baltics) so I don't think you will want to work for me then???

For Arien I thought that there was/is a great deal of Slovakian labour in the Netherlands and this is having the same negative effect toward the labour regime in this/your area?? interested in your thoughtsor comments on this point. Thanks very much for the offer of your services, I will make contact shortly. I am currently investigating another possibility which may be a more positive way forward.

As for the choice of my identity 'Noddy' its because I was in a very bad hit and run accident and broke my neck so I have a pin fitted into my neck and spine and it means that I cannot bend or twist my head in any direction, it's a play on words!!

Is this true “there are now many doctors in Poland who work their week and then fly to understaffed London hospitals for the weekends. He said these doctors can earn more in that London weekend than they can earn in a month in Poland! You learn some new reality every day“?

anyone could pass me a dictionary please?

sadly, a simple post with a bit sarcastic title became a fighting arena of some unreal tournament.i can't see anything wrong with what noddy's saying.instead of giving him a sitck please give him some advice if you can.otherwise why bother?

I know that England has very good educational system.
England has made great contributions to the world.
Poles like the British. I like the British.
I am sorry that you suffered injuries.
But, when you were in school, is it possible that you slept during class? :)

P.S.
You selected a wrong forum in your search for "skilled building workers".
I do not think that Polish skilled building workers sit by their computers and participate in this forum.

So you have had personal experiences with people who dissapointed you. This is understandable, but it seems unfair to me to rule out the possibility of contracting new people based on past experiences? For me it is this way of thinking which prevents me from finding a job in my field of work.

Eversince I left the army. Things have definitely changed because of the amount of Slovakian, Czech, Polish, Ukranian, British, Scottish, Irish, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Turkish, Maroccan, Hungarian, Albanian workers..

They are cheaper, so unfortunately I am forced to degrade myself by doing jobs like un/loading cargo from ships. I think you understand that this is the type of slave work nobody wants to do..


Exactly. They probably do my work. (Please, understand that I do not blame them for wanting to work, but the people who contract them before they even tried to contract atleast one of their ''own'' people.)

My two cents.