Polls for Poles in the UK

<NewsFlash> THE UK DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT</NewsFlash>

Yes, and I'm sure you believe that. Poor, poor little britain.


Polish people living abroad are entitled to vote in their mother country’s elections just as English people are entitled to do the same while living out side the UK.

Your government didn't pay a penny for it.

Further discussion is pointless.

i don't mind if they don't care, why would i expect them to about our political leaders unless they are directly affecting them

but it doesn't affect them or the UK wallet, they each pay for there own respective elections.

additionally, the UK and other EU gov't do care, unlike you (as you've stated), to allow EU citizens fullfill there democratic rights.

Why would anyone object to such?

I don't know how many more time that has to be said.

The UK had nothing to do with it....Paid for by Poland..organised by Polish people...OK they were breathing air in the UK, but I thought that was free anyway

Surely Tornado, there cannot be any harm in allowing expatriate populations to vote, especially when it doesn't cost anything to the host country. Are you perhaps expressing a concern that it might encourage immigrants not to integrate if they can participate in politics in their country of origin?

Two of democracy's most important cornerstones are freedom of expression and the right to vote. Any democratic country should not put up barriers to such things as expatriate voting. It would be undemocratic for a start.

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On the Nazi thing, I saw that program too. Those Polish Nazis were seriously scary. I can undrestand why they are facist (some people just decide to be so), but not their choice to identify themselves with Nazism, given history.

Tihs is only 50% backwards.
Siht would be 100% backwards.


*Sudden (and costly) intake of breath at that comment.*

Just a couple of little questions:
If you were in Poland, would you not like to have it made easier for you to cast your vote back home?
Aren't there bad people in all corners of the globe?

We had probably hundreds of polling around the world and that nothing new. The only difference is that this time there were more of them in UK, simply because there are more Polish citizens over there.


It has been already discussed many times. My impression is that a guy paid these reatards to say these BSs just to make the show more sensational.

I wont believe that someone admited on tv that he or she is a nazi.
simply because over here for beeing part of nazi or communist movement/organisation/whatever you do time in jail.

there are idiots who call themselves Nazis. But 5 retards dont have impact on a 40mln nation and we cant be hold responsible for them. And I'm sure there are movements like that in UK/US as well.

But beeing in an organization like that in PL and admiting in on tele... its just stupid.

Agree with u there!

They also have them for you, in case you care to vote.

The Representation of the People Act 1969 lowered the voting age from 21 to 18. The Representation of the People Act 1985 gave British citizens abroad the right to vote for a 5 year period after they had left Britain. The Representation of the People Act 1989 extended the period to 20 years and citizens who were too young to vote when they left the country also became eligible.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_the_United_Kingdom#20th_century

Or maybe not.

So the Naziism was just a something you used to promote your own agenda. Apt in a way. :) Maybe you should start a May Poles Poll for their Pole when not in Poland Poll?

Might catch on.

To summarize...

Point made, regarding Poles voting in the UK in Polish Election.

Question asked, who pays for this?

Point answered. The Polish.

And.... relax! :)

And z_darius quoted the RotP act 1989... which, and I may be mistaken, was brought in by the Conservative Govt, purely to extend and round up votes of Ex-Pat UK citizens, who'd gone to live in South Africa, Zimbabwe, Caymen Islands, Jersey, etc etc.... as those tax avoiders were more likely to vote Conservative. There was a bit of an outcry about it at the time.

So, Tornado, we do have the right to vote, from abroad, for an election in this country and it is paid for by you and me (and those Poles here paying tax!)

yes i agree and understand that the Polish government paid for it.


I object, for one were does this EU community end, why not lets change the names of our countries, so there is no Poland, no England, France and Germany etc. Instead we'll just call it the USEU (United States of European Union) Our borders are already open to every tom dick and harry well actually ski, vic and pierre :).

My point is its a matter of principal, this is ENGLAND or the UK and therefore has NOTHING to do with any other political vote in other EU or World countries. Therefore the only voting that should be taken in this country is our OWN votes. As i've said i enjoy having people from other countries and culture but i'm not going to loose tears if they can't vote, thats their problem they should go home back to their country to do so.


lol :)


well Ronek you are catigorically wrong and here is the Video to prove it, apology incoming i think, if you have the integrity that is :) which i'm sure you have.

sorry its a long vid but the parts i'm talking about are the last five minutes, there are Poles even saying 'there were not enough concentration camps and not enough Jews were gassed'. I can tell you its not just a few people there are rather a lot of them, as it says in the video, 'it is sweeping over Poland'


i have already answered half of your question above. to the second part. To be honest i don't care if Poles who visit this country or live here for one or two years agree or disagree with our politics and policies, this is the UK or England and not Poland.


the vote is for POLAND and POLISH people, NOTHING to do with the UK whether there are POLES here or not.


thanks for your contribution, to be honest if i had been out of the UK for two or three years i wouldn't expect to be invited to vote. I don't expect it for the UK and not Poland that is not my issue.


lol maybe i should but i don't think i will, i picked on the two things above 'nazi's in poland' and 'Lewis Hamilton' incident because they were two other strange things i came across this weekend.

For your information on the Hamilton incident. I was sitting in the bar talking amongst friends about Englands poor week of sport, I announced that out of all the causes i felt most sorry for Hamilton. A guy about four foot away from down the bar shouted across 'that black bastard isn't English i don't know what your crying about' i replied 'why is he not english?? he's as English as me and you' to that he replied 'if you say that again i'l sort you out, you have to be F*****G kidding me if he is as English as i am' so i replied 'whether you like it or not he is English and is obviously 10 more talented than you and probably 10 more intellegent than you'll ever be' so he promptly came over to me and slapped me!!! yes slapped me on the jaw to which i hid a laugh. So then i decided to lean over the bar and ask the barman 'can you please remove this racist pig from your bar, he's being abusive and using physical force on your customers' the barman then offered he man to leave the bar. I was very pleased that such scum was kicked out.

The point is not what you expect, but what others may. Apparently British people decided then want to have the opportunity to vote from abroad. That is not a duty, but a right.

Personally, I never voted in Polish election while living outside of Poland for the last 20 years, but that was my conscious decision as I knew I would not be coming back. But that doesn't stop me from supporting those who chose to vote, and it had nothing to do with the approach of others in my new country.

They don't pay a penny for Polish elections, the country is a free one (relatively) so it's nobody's business what Poles in Canada (or UK) do with their money. If they want to vote, they vote. Simple as that.

On a more general note; if you ever had a chance to study Britain's history then you must have noticed that Britain in fact was invaded, and the invaders stayed put and mixed in with the locals. No country in Europe is pure in its ethnicity. No European language ('cept for Icelandic) sounds anything like it sounded 1000 years ago. I betcha you couldn't make sense out of Beowulf if you read it in OE.

Now, the point: the only sure thing is change. It happens all the time. Get used to the idea, and concentrate on living your life. Just by that simple step things may become less stressful.

I disagree. The Uk is a democracy. The right to expatriate voting by legally resident expats is a harmless freedom that a democracy should not deny.


I care what the immigrant communities in my country think of our government's policies. It helps us move towards a happily integrated society if people don't feel marginalised.


So what's the problem, can't you let them get on with it then...

Tornado objects to democracy.
Hmmm.

Seems so...

and his high horse must be getting very tired.
It's been standing on rocky ground for quite a long time.

might slip.

lol, i'm not asking for 'pure' british people, its another misdirection to try and discredit me or make me look to be anit polish or racist.


i agree with what you say here, change will always happen but not all the changes are for the better :)


well good for you, i don't think the government need to worry about being responsible for the migrants not mixing or integrating together, i think immigrants building little communities, not speaking English etc do that anyway :)


my problem is it should happen in Poland :) i know why not have a protest against the Polish government, but here's the spin, its going to happen in the UK this year :):):)


no, i yet again disagree with an EU law, right whatever you want to call it


If only you had read my other posts apart from the ones on this topic, i think you would see that i'm fine with democracy :)


its called a point of view, not a high horse, i'm not the one wearing donkey/horse shoes, lol


no chance sunshine as i'm not on a horse :)

Are you afraid of this?


True


Would you be in favour of the UK not being in the EU?


I object to this term. It is agressive. I consider it offensive and unecessary.

OK, so now you are denying Polish citizens the right to vote, because they aren't resident in Poland. That is wrong. So you get the chance to work in Poland for a year and in that year a General Election is called, but you can't vote because you aren't resident in the UK, we'd hear you then, wouldn't we?

no because i would probably go to the British Embassy :) you can vote there no need for polling stations when it comes to me my dear

Just because it's from the EU?

Why shouldn't the Polish authorities provide a service for Polish citizens to vote whilst they are abroad?
If I'm not fully paying attention to what you have typed on your thread here, it's because I really don't get what you're complaining about. Complaining for complaining's sake? I can't be bothered to read it all. What's the point?


Your job in Poland is at the other end of the country, perhaps.
Can all Polish people in the UK afford to descend on the embassy on voting day?
Practical?

Get my point. The scenario is - you're in another country and you can't vote. That's when we'd hear you.


The Donkey speaketh sense.

no because the UK should be able to control the UK and nobody else should be allowed to interrupt, its really that simple.


there are more less public ways


you can post it, now thats Practical


to be honest dolly at least then i wouldn't have to make a decision about who the next bunch of crooks i'm going to vote into government are, :)

But if the postal vote is not available, why should you be denied the chance to vote?


Rubbish, you'd have apoplexy if you couldn't vote.

So YOU have decided that because you don't want to vote for anyone, neither should anyone else, should they be working abroad.
Dog... manger.

sorry to disappointed you my dear but not really politicians are the scurge of the earth :)


no you miss my point, its not about voting at all, its about the effect other nations have on us, for example the EU they run us by law when we should be running it ourselves :)