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How do you Poles feel about the fact that so many Poles work abroad?


Ewilina 4 | 13  
19 Jun 2008 /  #1
This is a subject I'm very curious about.

Unlike the negative image wich is created by the media in Holland, I can not imagine it to be negative for my country that so many Poles come work here. At the moment there are too many jobs that would not be filled if there wouldn't be people from other countries to work here. If in the company where I work all the people from other countries would leave today, we could close it tomorrow!

How do you feel about this subject? After all, it can't be good for Poland to lose so many workforce to other countries, right?

When I talk about this subject with colleagues from Poland, they say that it's caused by the fact that there is not so much work for educated people in poland right now. Therefore it seems better to go work abroad (where you get relatively better wages) then to educate yourself in Poland. If that's true, how is it possible that there is no work for educated people in Poland?

How do you think that this all will develop in the future? Do you think that joining the European Union will straighten things between the countries in the long run?
Greenback - | 17  
19 Jun 2008 /  #2
If its like it is in the UK my girlfriend is Polish and I'm English - she came to work in the UK 3 years ago after being accepted to work as a cashier at one of our major banks HSBC - she worked in the bank head quarters where she was subjected to constant bullying and discrimination due to her being polish and the english workers fearing their jobs would be lost.

She eventually had to leave this job due to stress and depression which she still suffers from today and her best friend who came over to work with her ended up in a mental hospital in Poland due to having a nervous breakdown.

She is highly qualified and has 2 masters degrees in sciences but has only been able to find work through agencies and is now presently working as a computer inputter - basicly she types registrations forms up on the pc all day for a rubbish wage.

I am ashamed for her as I earn twice the amount she does and work less! they sad fact is most poles come to the UK or Holland etc and are well educated more so than most of us are and can only find basic jobs offering basic pay.

My girlfriend can speak English fluently and her spelling and grammar are better than mine and I'm English for gods sake lol - yet she can not get the sort of job see deserves and is currently in a job where they extend her contract on a monthly basis so she does not even know if she will have a job the following month.

Its even worse for most poles who cant speak english really and end up working in what are nothing more than modern day slave camps - where they have to live in poor standards areas and damp bedsits and flats so that they have some money left out of their wages to send home or save to go back home.

I feel sorry for them.
noimmigration  
19 Jun 2008 /  #3
there are hundreds of thousands of uk graduates leaving universities every year. Do you propose that we give there job prospects to foreigners. ?
IronsE11 2 | 442  
19 Jun 2008 /  #4
If they can do the job better then yes.
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
19 Jun 2008 /  #5
I agree with Irons. If they aren't as qualified, then why offer?
dnz 17 | 710  
19 Jun 2008 /  #6
The country is run like a business, If there are people who can do a job better and cheaper then so be it! Degrees in the UK are pretty much worthless nowadays as they are very easy and a degree from a uk university only really proves that you have spent 3 years drunk and are 15k in debt. British people can always seek work overseas too, Its not just a one way thing!
IronsE11 2 | 442  
19 Jun 2008 /  #7
Degrees in the UK are pretty much worthless nowadays as they are very easy and a degree from a uk university only really proves that you have spent 3 years drunk and are 15k in debt.

Absolute rubbish, don't confuse UK universities with the average UK student. Try competing for a job with someone who has an Oxbridge degree.

oh, and let me know how you get on...
noimmigration  
19 Jun 2008 /  #8
The country is run like a business, If there are people who can do a job better and cheaper then so be it! Degrees in the UK are pretty much worthless nowadays as they are very easy and a degree from a uk university only really proves that you have spent 3 years drunk and are 15k in debt. British people can always seek work overseas too, Its not just a one way thing!

so british people should go over seas to make room for poles, I dont thinkso. If we had proper restrictions on eastern europeans then business would concentrate on british workforce.
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
19 Jun 2008 /  #9
so british people should go over seas to make room for poles

No, I think it's more like the British students need to keep up with their studies. It's a competetive world if you haven't noticed yet.
Greenback - | 17  
19 Jun 2008 /  #10
You guys have a habbit of trying to make a subject into a race discrimination topic everytime unbelieveable get a life!

This subject is about poles working abroad or leaving poland to work overseas that are highly qualified, it has nothing to do with them taking UK students job prospects.

You know what I use to be in awe of anyone who had a degree! especially as I left school at 15 and got a job - it was only after realising the degree's UK students get are mostly worth nothing as as correctly stated previously most uk students spend there training time getting drunk and into debt and obtain their degrees by copy and paste of other peoples work or paying some agency to produce a original peice of work for them so they can sign it as their own.

This does not happen in poland as much i'm sure -

My point is it is sad that well educated EU workers of any EU county can not obtain a decent skilled job they deserve and end up working in bars or crappy office jobs as they are to over qualified for most other positions
Pete M - | 1  
19 Jun 2008 /  #11
Greenback wrote;

"If its like it is in the UK my girlfriend is Polish and I'm English - she came to work in the UK 3 years ago after being accepted to work as a cashier at one of our major banks HSBC - she worked in the bank head quarters where she was subjected to constant bullying and discrimination due to her being polish and the english workers fearing their jobs would be lost."

How true! I am English and my partner is Polish and she came to the UK 18 months ago. When she first came here I was so looking forward to it and so was she. I am 59 years old and she is 9 years younger than me. She came here also because her daughter and son-in-law are here.

I naively thought that she would be readily accepted and had a belief that not many British people are prejudiced or discriminatory. How wrong I was. It has been a real uphill struggle for her and still is. She is a lovely, caring, friendly woman and I have despaired to see her sometimes leave work almost in tears because of the way she has been spoken to or treated. She is both a qualified dietician and accountant but is working as a housekeeper in the local NHS hospital (with other Poles, Russians, Estonians, even Phillipinos and a guy from Uruguay!!

She has been paid wrongly on several occasions, has been refused leave when she has wanted it (I believe for no other reason that British workers are given first call) and called names and been asked to do work that native people refuse to do (or don't do properly when asked.

Her daughter has a degree in sales and marketing from Poland and was made redundant in January as the firm she worked for went bust because the (English) people running it were leeching off the profits. She speaks near perfect English and she has applied for over 120 jobs and had a number of interviews but still nothing. She has refused to do menial work in case she gets stuck in it for the rest of her life and is now trying to get a loan to start her own business as that is the only way she can see of working in what she wants to do and keeping her self respect.

Frankly, I am totally gobsmacked in seeing what I have seen as I really believed that the UK is mostly tolerant, welcoming and friendly.

How wrong I was!
PinkJewel  
19 Jun 2008 /  #12
This a thread about how Polish people feel about Poles working abroad. So that could be anywhere not just the UK?
noimmigration  
19 Jun 2008 /  #13
do you think polish people would be tolerant if over 2 million immgrants landed in their country. ?

The british are a very tolerant people, the vast majority have no problem with other cultures. They do have a problem with millions of immigrants oming to our country and changing our way of living, culture, society and infrastructure. etc.
dtaylor 9 | 823  
19 Jun 2008 /  #14
The british are a very tolerant people, the vast majority have no problem with other cultures. They do have a problem with millions of immigrants oming to our country and changing our way of living, culture, society and infrastructure. etc.

Then you're in the minority then....who would have figured that out!
noimmigration  
19 Jun 2008 /  #15
You obviously have no idea of what the british ublic opinion is on immigrations. Do you really think the british are accepting of over 2 million eastern europeans and no eu immigrants coming into the country.

You are either ignorant or a blatant liar.
dtaylor 9 | 823  
19 Jun 2008 /  #16
That's why the SNP were voted in, with one of their main policies to encourage E.U immagrants into the country?

How's the "part-time" job?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
19 Jun 2008 /  #17
Noimmigration, read the following:

How do you Poles feel about the fact that so many Poles work abroad?

Stay on topic. If your post is not related to this thread, create a new thread or go **** yourself.

This a thread about how Polish people feel about Poles working abroad. So that could be anywhere not just the UK?

esek 2 | 228  
19 Jun 2008 /  #18
My point of view.....

I'm 23 now.... work in IT field.

One week ago I moved to Warsaw where I work now... in one year time I will move to UK/London to make good money (~50k GBP gross salary/yr). One year in UK and I will back to Poland and try to make some business with friends... 2 years later i will go to Australia to live there .... I think also about Dubai..... but i don't know... Sydnay seems to be more civilised place to live in. What I think about emigration? Nothing... if we have possibility then we should do everything we can to make our lifes better.
OP Ewilina 4 | 13  
20 Jun 2008 /  #19
You guys have a habbit of trying to make a subject into a race discrimination topic everytime unbelieveable get a life!

+1

Isn't it right that the university in Warsav is one of the best in Europe? Not quite sure..

How is is possible that there is no work in Poland? Or is there work enough and is the reason for those Poles who go work abroad just the better wages in other countries? Where are the Poles who know about this subject? Please post here and tell me how it works :)
Greenback - | 17  
20 Jun 2008 /  #20
Of cause there is work in Poland thats obvious - the difference is the wages are very low {although some on here will have you believe wages are as good as in the EU now}.

I went to Poland last October and you only have to walk around the streets in a major city centre to see how well paid people are - basicly Me and my girlfriend were the only ones shopping and people stared at us like we were in a zoo or something carry all the stuff we had bought.

Its a totally different culture thats for sure and although things are improving its a least 20 years behind most average EU countries.

I found it quite nostalgic when travelling on the bus or trains - it was like being stuck in a time warp back in 1970's England.

The truth is the only investment I saw was on the building of roads in preparation for the next european championships.
tomek - | 134  
20 Jun 2008 /  #21
Most of the decent Poles have a good deal of Patriotism and they will return home and bring with them a nice piece of cash - it the Polish way once could say.

During the late 80ties many left determined to find a living in a foreign country - my family is one of them. But we never lost contact with our people and even now some of us, cousins and my myself consider getting back.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
20 Jun 2008 /  #22
I think noimmigration objects to Britain being used as a stepping stone for Poles to set up businesses in Poland or gain some valuable experience. I can see his point but today is about 'survival of the fittest' in the rat race and if u r an accommodating pansy then expect to be trampled upon.

Incidentally, there is a good film out called Outlanders. It uses actors from Poland, Croatia, Ukraine etc, real immigrants basically. It explores the seedy nature of undercutting and pulling fast ones to get ahead. I have taught this as a set, the article is available from the BBC website. Just type in Poland in the search box. Also, to make it a set, I have an article from yesterday (also BBC) which is entitled 'Illegals (sic) firms named and shamed'. It explores the crackdown on such illicit trading and dodgy dealings.

I hope the above proves enlightening for some.
RockyMason 19 | 250  
20 Jun 2008 /  #23
I think as long as poles can go to other countries and dodge their problems the problems in their home country won't be fixed! They have a disturbingly backwards religious government and a garbage economy! Poles aren't a race they are a nationality for all of you morons claiming racism LOL!
Gab - | 133  
20 Jun 2008 /  #24
Hi all,

The word "racism" has evolved a great deal and nowadays it connotes not just one's race, but turns out, one's nationality as well, especially in the USA.

I know of my fellow Poles' experiences in all of the UK, but form what I've been hearing, the situation is not that "favorable" for them mainly in England.

If England has a problem with Polish immigrants or any Eastern Europeans for that matter, maybe they should introduce some quota system? Follow the example of the US from 1800/1900s. That's how they regulated the amount of immigrants coming from e.g. Asia.

I know, I know, the USA is a little different, but they still balance the number of immigrants. At least they try to. Illegal immigration is a whole different story.

There are both pros and cons of any immigration, but in the global world of today I would expect people to be a little more progressive.

And another thing, the world knows of England's colonial resume from the past, so I guess it was ok then, for hundreds of years to exploit other countries and their people to grow into a superpower, but now that times have changed and people can travel freely and decide on their own where they want to settle down (EU mainly), it's not ok. Quite frankly, it's rather hypocritical. But it's just how I feel.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
20 Jun 2008 /  #25
If England has a problem with Polish immigrants or any Eastern Europeans for that matter, maybe they should introduce some quota system? Follow the example of the US from 1800/1900s

How,we are part of the EU,free movemnet and all that. Would a rich state in the US be able to put a quota on people from a poorer state's entry?

the situation is not that "favorable" for them mainly in England.

You mean they thought they could come here,make a load of cash,make use of our free health care etc etc then go back to Poland as "big men",well,boo hoo,they have realised that if they want a decent life here they have to work bloody hard like the rest of us and that,although the UKs wages might be higher the cost of day to day living here is astronomical compared to Poland...

There are both pros and cons of any immigration, but in the global world of today I would expect people to be a little more progressive.

Whats progresive? Think about itBritain is near the top of the european food chain,Poland is near the bottom. Its fine to say "well Poles can move here for a better life/higher wages etc etc" but what do you say to a Briton being squeezed out of his local employment market..."never mind,you can always move to Poland...."not exactly a fair swap is it. Does anyone in the states say to you" if your worried about mexicans moving here you could always move to mexico.." No,they dont,for obvious reasons.

And another thing, the world knows of England's colonial resume from the past

WTF,sorry,I ask again,WTF? Get a friggin grip,what on earth has that got to do with anything for fcuks sake? Did "england" colonise Poland? that will be a no,so,er,end of your irelevant case there love.

Quite frankly, it's rather hypocritical. But it's just how I feel.

This from the country that only came about through genocide..........sorry,not seeing Presedent Running Bear or Little big foot running for office.....
Puzzy 1 | 150  
20 Jun 2008 /  #26
As usual, a bunch of low-self-esteem creatures picking on and mobbing up against the Poles? This mobbing up against one scapegoat group creates the sense of unity among the remaining groups, doesn't it?

Let's have a look at what they are babbling about this time.

This is a subject I'm very curious about.

- And exactly why would you be so 'curious' about it? Are you equally curious about the scores of Africans, Asiatics etc. illegals living in Holland? How about the crime rate amongst these folks in Holland? Do your media talk about it as much as about the alleged Polish crimes in Holland? By the way, what's wrong with Poles working in Holland? What's wrong with Poles working legally in any EU country?

I think noimmigration objects to Britain being used as a stepping stone for Poles to set up businesses in Poland or gain some valuable experience. I can see his point

- And here comes Seanus the Polonophobe and megalomaniac from Scotland who this time is seeing the 'point' in the rant of a vicious psychopath who has advocated physical violence against the Poles. So you think, Seanus, that the Poles use Britain as some 'stepping stone' to set up businesses in Poland and gain some valuable experience, and that it is bad, but oh well, that's the way the world is rollin' today? What would you mean by this alleged use of Britain by Poles as a stepping stone and by the alleged gaining of experience (in what?) by them in Britan, and why specifically this alleged use of Britain by Poles as a stepping stone and for gaining experience would be bad?

If England has a problem with Polish immigrants or any Eastern Europeans for that matter, maybe they should introduce some quota system? Follow the example of the US from 1800/1900s. That's how they regulated the amount of immigrants coming from e.g. Asia.

- To begin with, it's not in England but in Scotland that the Poles have been harassed the most by the locals. In England, it is mainly the media psychopaths (eg. Daily Mail, Daily Express, BBC) who attack the Poles. So you recommend a quota system in EU for 'East Europeans' but not for the Third World masses (there are ca 8 million of Third World illegals in EU)? Why? The American 'quota system' has been criticised as racist, but you say it should be used in regard to Poles and others? (Actually, it was used by US towards the Poles in the 1920s and is being used still re the visa harassment.) Maybe we should use a quota system on the number of British coming to 'Eastern Europe' and British businesses operating in our countries? Maybe we should kick out all the foreign 'supermarkets' from Poland; then our native business would flourish? What do you think, pal?

I think as long as poles can go to other countries and dodge their problems the problems in their home country won't be fixed

- And why would you think so? Do you also think so about any other folks going to work abroad, e.g. British?

They have a disturbingly backwards religious government and a garbage economy!

- And what do you exactly mean by 'a disturbingly religous government'? Give some facts proving your calling the Polish government so is correct. What exactly do you mean by ' a garbage economy'? Prove that your calling Polish economy so is justified.

Poles aren't a race they are a nationality for all of you morons claiming racism LOL!

- The word 'race' also means 'nationality.' And 'racism' signifies a very strong prejudice (also derived from the branding by the media), combined with a strong job, institutional, etc. discrimination. Therefore it is correct to say that there's racism against Poles. YOU too seem to be quite racist towards us. I wonder why? Is it because of your low self-esteem perhaps? E.g. did your parents tell you frequently in your childhood you were disturbingly stupid and just garbage?

:)

By the way, Poles are moving out of UK and other places en masse. And that's very very good, I think. We shall remember and never forget the good and bad things we've gone through in those places.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,105  
20 Jun 2008 /  #27
Ewilina:
This is a subject I'm very curious about.

- And exactly why would you be so 'curious' about it?

Puzzy, Ewilina wasn't critising Poles working abroad, in fact, the opposite and she was looking at obtaining a Polish point of view about Poles working abroad, which most people seem to have missed. She was also looking at obtaining a Polish point of view on any effects on Poland with so many Poles moving abroad. That is how I understood it anyway.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
20 Jun 2008 /  #28
As usual, a bunch of low-self-esteem creatures picking on and mobbing up against the Poles?

Get some feking balls you mealy mouthed whinging baby.
Are you and Crow patients in the same institute?
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
20 Jun 2008 /  #29
No, I think it's more like the British students need to keep up with their studies.

No Zgub thats wrong and not fair to say.

British students are as good as any other students but the standard they have to reach has been lowered over the past years and as such the worth of a British degree has dropped. Britian has adopted a policy of tertiary education for all and this has meant a lowering of standards. Britian has for some time benn making degrees available for those who arguably should not be studying at degree level, with the predictable results.
Gab - | 133  
20 Jun 2008 /  #30
Hi all,

Mexicans in the USA are targeted mainly because they cross the border illegally, contrary to the Poles that cross the UK borders legally, correct? There is a whole anti-Mexican campaign in the States because of that.

As far as abusing the health care system by immigrants (e.g. Poles), I'm sure it happens, nobody denies that. Just like some individuals abuse social benefits as well. And it's not just the immigrants. I am not in favor of that, actually quite the opposite.

Now, I NEVER said that England colonized Poland. I just made a simple observation about how hypocritical (conveniently) certain countries can be :) England's economy would not be where it is now had it not been for hundreds of years of exploitation of foreign soil and people.

Also, what's with all the cursing? Can't you handle a simple debate? Be civil, please.

I am open for any debate, I find it quite stimulating in fact. Every country has some issues, that's just how things are. NO country is perfect. And there is nothing wrong with people wanting to look for a better life elswhere. It's perfectly justifiable and natural.

Final point: costs of living are astronomical not only in England, my friend. I've lived in Poland, in England and now I'm in the USA. People are struggling in many places. What makes it worst is when the cost of living is astronomical and you can't find work. I have no problem working hard, which I am, and paying for my lifestyle which, by the way, is I think quite standard. Even with a good salary in Poland I would never be able to afford things that I can afford here ( a nice car, a nice apartment, dining out in nice places etc. ). And these are considered standard in the US.

The only thing that is killing me in the US is medical expenses, which I have mentioned in some other thread. But for that I go to Poland. Not to England. LOL And I pay out of pocket.

Have a wonderful weekend :)

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