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How Poles truly feel about their situation in Poland and being in EU?


Ranj 21 | 948  
24 Jul 2007 /  #1
I just want to know how Poles truly feel about their situation in Poland and being a part of the EU......according to someone on this forum (won't mention any names), the Poles living in Poland feel exploited by members of other countries. Is this the true feeling of the majority of Poles on this forum? I know this in noway reflects the status of the whole country, but I am curious to see if our forum "expert" on the feelings of all Poles is reflected by the few members of this forum that actually live there?
hello 22 | 891  
24 Jul 2007 /  #2
I think Poles from Poland generally feel much better than before 1989. They have more jobs, money, cars. So they are in the consumption stage right now. They try to mock the catholic religion too and the media help them with it as much as they can.
slwkk 2 | 228  
24 Jul 2007 /  #3
I just want to know how Poles truly feel about their situation in Poland and being a part of the EU

I feel good ;) I can go to many EU countries if I want (without trying to get visa), I can live and work or study there (well, not everywhere yet, but it will change). There are many more options than in the past and I'm happy with that. As everything joining to the EU has its pros and cons, but I think it's good that we joined.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
24 Jul 2007 /  #4
How Poles truly feel about their situation in Poland and being in EU?

I'm happy with most things.
peterweg 37 | 2,321  
24 Jul 2007 /  #5
Being part of the EU can have other advantages

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6912965.stm

Six Bulgarian medical workers who were imprisoned in Libya for deliberately infecting children with HIV have arrived in Bulgaria after being freed.

The five nurses and a Palestinian-born doctor, who served eight years of the life sentences they received, had always maintained they were innocent.

polska_lala - | 17  
26 Jul 2007 /  #6
im happy with most things.... im just gonna miss the zloty when its exchanged for euros. otherwise we can travel most of europe :)
smooth_jazz 7 | 71  
26 Jul 2007 /  #7
im just gonna miss the zloty when its exchanged for euros

Is anyone worried about going to the euro? I know when Germany went to the euro, for instance, something that cost 5 marks in the super market now cost 5 euro, yet if your salary was say a 1000 marks a month it became 500 euro a month. Is anybody worried about everything getting a lot more expensive than it is now?
kanazuki  
27 Jul 2007 /  #8
Yes, we are worried. Teraz niektórym rodzinom jest ciężko związać koniec z końcem. Zwłaszcza gdy mają więcej niż 2-3 dzieci (Nie wiem jak jest w innych zakątkach kraju ale na Północy właśnie tak jest). Po wejściu euro i przeliczaniu zł na euro systemem jaki był w Niemczech, wiele osób już naprawdę nie będzie miało z czego żyć. Zwłaszcza tam gdzie jest wysokie bezrobocie i w po PGR-owskich wsiach.

Sorry, i couldn't find proper words to say it in English.
ola123  
27 Jul 2007 /  #9
I feel we are kinda raped in the EU. We are treated unfair (why we opened work markets for every EU country and EU except UK keep it closed and will for many years - that is just an example). We are objects of foreign speculations and are laughed off by foreigners who see us only as cheap labour. I feel we are discriminated in EU. There are good sides like more foreign companies in Poland (who treat us only as cheap labour but oh well) and there is money on the roads for example. I have mix of positive-negative feelings towards UE with a bit more negativity. Although if Poland would have the chance to get out of EU I would like to stay because you need to choose between bad and worse ;-). No EU would be worse. Im a Pole living in Poland and thats my view, sorry if its disappointing.

There was research recently and I think that its results were that Polish people are most pro-EU in the whole EU. 85% are happy to be a part of it. I am pro-EU too because that was the best way of all possible.
slwkk 2 | 228  
27 Jul 2007 /  #10
Yes, we are worried.

No, you are worried, I'm not and many of my friends also aren't worried. Just speak for yourself, it's your right :-)

Zwłaszcza gdy mają więcej niż 2-3 dzieci

So why somebody want to have more than 2 or 3 children while s/he can't afford for that? Sorry, but it's just wrong, I will never understand this kind of people.
Kilkline 1 | 689  
27 Jul 2007 /  #11
Free money! whats not to like?

Poles cant complain about being a cheap source of labour, most goods and services(including labour)are cheaper somewhere. The Japs used to build car factories in the north of England because it made economic sense, not anymore though. Why should Poland be any different?!

It seems there is an (I think minority) opinion in Poland that Poland was was going to get lots of money from the EU to improve its infrastructure and not give anything in return. You can see this attitude in the present government. Poland is in a contract with the EU and as a major recipient of funding, is a minor partner. Hopefully this will change within the next 20 years as Poland looks to emulate the northen European states rather than the southern ones.
dannyboy 18 | 248  
27 Jul 2007 /  #12
I'm not here to judge you Kanazuki, but we're (Ireland) supposed to be a rich country, but I can't afford to have kids yet nor can many of my friends, so its not so different from Poland.
polska_lala - | 17  
27 Jul 2007 /  #13
if im wrong with these next statements someone just tell me - if people get married and have children is that any of your business how many they are having or why they are having them? maybe the children help around the house or something like with farmwork etc... but than again thats hard to see why they would have so many if they cant support them....

i dont really see why this is related to the EU topic....
obviously some people in poland like the idea and others dont
thats why there was a vote
if everyone just liked the idea.... well than there would be no trouble
but thats just my opinion so dont take it to heart
OP Ranj 21 | 948  
27 Jul 2007 /  #14
Im a Pole living in Poland and thats my view, sorry if its disappointing.

Don't be sorry, Ola.....you are expressing how you feel about the situation, and that is what I want.....honest opinions! :)
kanazuki  
28 Jul 2007 /  #15
So why somebody want to have more than 2 or 3 children while s/he can't afford for that? Sorry, but it's just wrong, I will never understand this kind of people.

I told you about reality i know. You don't have to agree with me and that's the point in this conversation.
slwkk 2 | 228  
28 Jul 2007 /  #16
You don't have to agree with me

Sorry, but agree on what? I've made a question - what somebody want to have so many children while s/he can't afford for that? Is this normal? I think that most of these people didn't want to have more than 2 or 3, but they just haven't used condoms (or similar things). I'm not sure why, maybe because their priests told them that this is a sin or they didn't want to spend money on it. btw, I know it's not my business... but most of the families with many children live in poverty, and maybe if they had less children, they would live better...

In my opinion our goverment should spend more money to help young people who want to start their own business and not for social welfares.
peterweg 37 | 2,321  
28 Jul 2007 /  #17
We are treated unfair.

Its a strange attitude to have. 'We are being exploited for our cheap labour by the EU', yet Poles come to the UK to work and earn far more then they would do working for a Polish employer in Poland. I've got a Polish girl staying with me who is earning TEN times her wages last summer in Poland.

'Money for the roads', who do you think is paying that? I'll tell you; UK, Germany, Holland and a few other countries who like the UK get ABSOLUTLY NOTHING from the EU except the bill. How do you think Germany feels, paying 15 billion Euro's per year to the EU? Raped, definitely. Poland gets billions of euro's from its membership, raid growth and rising wages - I'm not surprised Poles are positive towards the EU because they are not stupid.
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196  
28 Jul 2007 /  #18
Polish workers get much easily exploited in non-EU countries as in Norway, it is harder to exploit an EU-citizen in another EU country.
Michal - | 1,865  
28 Jul 2007 /  #19
to the EU has its pros and cons, but I think it's good that we joined.

I think that it is the worst thing that has ever happened and I for one was always one hundred per cent against it.

I feel we are discriminated in EU.

When I was a student in Moscow many years ago, it was the Polish, and there were hundreds of them there at the time in the same Russian Language Institute that did not like the English at all and yet now we have 600.000. They want work here and the ability to buy houses yet we have no rights in Poland at all. I know how difficult it is for an English person to even get a zezwolenie na pobyt na stale or whatever it is called in Polish.
slwkk 2 | 228  
28 Jul 2007 /  #20
I think that it is the worst thing that has ever happened and I for one was always one hundred per cent against it.

but as far as I know you are not a Pole and probably you have had all these rights like other people from EU countries (I mean especially possibility to getting work wherever you wanted and easy travelling withour visas) while we were trying to join the European Union. For me now it's just easier and I appreciate it.
Lady in red  
28 Jul 2007 /  #21
For me now it's just easier and I appreciate it.

.......yes, I've found sometimes, that it's usually people who are already enjoying a much higher standard of living who seem to want Poland to stay in the 'dark ages'. Not sure why ?

I can see the benefits of the EU although I have never been fully in favour of it, for some things .

This post isn't directed at anyone ,it's just my view.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
28 Jul 2007 /  #22
and are laughed off by foreigners who see us only as cheap labour.

I dont think thats true to be honest, I think maybe in the beggining certain Polish people took the lower paying jobs (remember English people in these jobs are paid the same) but the better the language skills become and the more confident a person becomes the better their status will become if they have the right qualification to get a job more suited....IMHO.

Im a Pole living in Poland and thats my view, sorry if its disappointing.

It was honest and thats all good.
Michal - | 1,865  
28 Jul 2007 /  #23
especially possibility to getting work wherever you wanted and easy travelling withour visas) while we were trying to join the European Union. For me now it's just easier and I appreciate it.

Through the Thatcher years everybody had to have a visa to visit Poland and if I remember rightly, Poland was very slow indeed in allowing the English in to their country. Mind you, I always found the Poles an odd lot. I would be in Warsaw and they would fly all the nice red flags trying to be Moscow's top dog and then American dollars could be exchanged in the PEWEX to buy good quality tea, coffee, alcohol and chocolate whilst old polish people had to wait outside in the hope that I would agree to sell my dollars on the black market-very strange! I could never understand it as the Poles could never decide on which side of the fence they wanted to sit.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
28 Jul 2007 /  #24
re: Through the Thatcher years everybody had to have a visa to visit Poland and if I remember rightly, Poland was very slow indeed in allowing the English in to their country

- During communism, Poland was governed by zionazis like you. It's such as you who, at Moscow's orders, oppressed and murdered Polish people, and then fled abroad, screaming about 'antsemitism and similar nonsense. Do you think we have forgotten that? The Poles have never tried to be 'Moscow's top dogs,' creep. We have a long history of opposing the Russkies, last time just recently, in the EU, and before that, more famously, during the Solidarity era, among others.

So how did you get out of Poland, creep? First worked in the comme secret police, and then took the first good opportunity to abandon the mess you have helped create? Fled like a rat from a sinking ship?

:)

re: Poland was very slow indeed in allowing the English in to their country
When I was a student in Moscow many years ago, it was the Polish, and there were hundreds of them there at the time in the same Russian Language Institute that did not like the English at all and yet now we have 600.000

- Prove it.

Moderators, can you ban this hate-spreading zionazi Polonophobic racist liar from this forum?

He's got an idea now that he would try to create adversity between the Poles and English by repeating the basic message that the Poles don't like the English.

Out with this zionazi liar and hate-monger.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
28 Jul 2007 /  #25
re: Poland was very slow indeed in allowing the English in to their country

Have you thought for one moment that Michal may have lived through a time where this was possible? Rather than shout, think, Michal has lived in a different time to you and I and has a different perspective...its not so hard to try and look through another persons eyes for a moment, try it you might learn something. We dont all have the same views, but we learn from others by listening.
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
29 Jul 2007 /  #26
So how did you get out of Poland, creep? First worked in the comme secret police, and then took the first good opportunity to abandon the mess you have helped create? Fled like a rat from a sinking ship?

He's got an idea now that he would try to create adversity between the Poles and English by repeating the basic message that the Poles don't like the English.

Based on Michal's posts, I believe he got out around the same time as I did... Yes, times were hard in the late 70-s and 80-s, but should this be a reason for his spiteful and bitter posts? I guess, life in the western world was not a picnic for him, he had to try hard to be one of "them", perhaps rejected and belittled many times...He seems to enjoy doing to others what he 'thinks" was done to him. A sad case.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
29 Jul 2007 /  #27
Why should such a deliberate psychopathic hate-monger be taken seriously? Should I treat seriously and with respect e.g. a nazi? This one here is exactly the same. He never gives any facts; he lies deliberately, e.g. that the Poles hated the English. In reality, it was the other way around. I know what many Poles had to go through in Britain during communism. I was hoping this would end with our entering the EU. I'm sick and tired of Polonophobic hate on any forum that calls itself Polish. Please kick this zionazi bandit out.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
29 Jul 2007 /  #28
He seems to enjoy doing to others what he 'thinks" was done to him

I think you're right there Eurola, and it is sad
Michal - | 1,865  
29 Jul 2007 /  #29
Why should such a deliberate psychopathic hate-monger be taken seriously? Should I treat seriously and with respect e.g. a nazi? This one here is exactly the same. He never gives any facts; he lies deliberately, e.g. that

It seems so strange coming from someone who has never even been to Poland or at least there is no evidence of any actual personal past experience. You seem quite insecure, someone who probably even quite late in life would lean on you mother with very few real friends and someone who would find it difficult to stay in a long term relationship. I am not a psychologist but through your writings there are some interesting trends. I have a friend, of Spanish origin, who lives in London and actually married one of my Polish friends from Czestochowa. He has completed a phd in this very area. I should try and get his advice after showing some of your posts.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
29 Jul 2007 /  #30
with very few real friends

Kmiot, I doubt If you have at least one...

Why should such a deliberate psychopathic hate-monger be taken seriously?

Down with kmiot ! Crush the psychopat.

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