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tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
24 Oct 2007 /  #1
A number of things happened to me this week that shocked me, firstly i was in a pub on Friday night where i was slapped (not punched) by a guy for calling Lewis Hamilton British!!!! Secondly i then watched a program about polish football hooligans and NAZI'S yes NAZI'S in POLAND!!!!! now those two events alone make your head spin the sheer backward nature of both incidents are enough to confuse and disgust anybody.

Then i hear that we have polling stations in the UK for Polish people to vote for the elections in Poland. While i'm happy to make people feel welcome in our country i am far from happy that we have polling stations in the 'UK' for other nations elections. It is wrong and should not be happening. I'm not sure what it is like in the US, did they have similar polling stations for the Polish elections???

Tihs is so backwards its un believable, i accept that Polish people come to the UK, i welcome them and other Immigrants who benefit my country with open arms, I also agree with what are called 'Polish Centres' which give help to Polish people who first come to the UK with living, language etc. However this is a step too far, i can't believe were bending over backwards for immigrants. I'm not sure of the cost of setting up such things but what a waste of money!!!. How does it benefit Britain, how is using British tax payers money to organise something that BRITISH people cannot or would not want to even use. i don't care if it only cost £50 that is still wasted money, we waste enough already.

If the Polish cared that much about their politics they would be in Poland to vote, some Polish even come here to get away from their own country to find 'a better life' which obviously they cannot have in Poland, so why then i ask, do we have voting, polling stations here???

Its obvious i disagree with the polling stations but i'm interested in people with the same opinion as me and of course those who disagree. i have probably missed some points and lack a few facts but i only hear about this yesterday so its a bit of a reaction rather than planned discussion.

Thanx

T
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
24 Oct 2007 /  #2
I'm not sure of the cost of setting up such things

The costs of polling stations are paid for by the Polish authorities I believe
daffy 23 | 1,508  
24 Oct 2007 /  #3
Secondly i then watched a program about polish football hooligans and NAZI'S yes NAZI'S in POLAND!!!!!

what about the BNP and NAZI's in ENGLAND (or indeed anywhere in the world)

Then i hear that we have polling stations in the UK for Polish people to vote for the elections in Poland

i am far from happy that we have polling stations in the 'UK' for other nations elections.

However this is a step too far

This simply put is the EU. They are Polish citizens who have a right to vote for Polish government. Its called postal votes.

Ireland has this and even the UK does. believe it or not, this happens in other countries! any UK general election and you are, lets say in sudan, brazil or even Poland - you can still vote! head to the embassy and voila! now, it so happens that there are SO many Polish here in the UK & IRE so there is more setup to accomodate the larger demand - the same would happen for GB citizens if there were huge volumes of them in ANY other country. its how its done.

i have probably missed some points and lack a few facts but i only hear about this yesterday so its a bit of a reaction rather than planned discussion.

noted. it was the conclusion i came to when I read your post.

Nazi's & hooligans exits all over the world (the UK included) so its nothing new or to be pinned on Poland.

Polish people voting for polish elections abroad is nothing new either. as pointed above, a UK citizen can do the same abroad also.

I hope this has helped illuminate.

take care
jareck8  
24 Oct 2007 /  #4
racism is a part and parcel of the european philosophy, it stems from the theory of evolution and natural selection where one race feels it is superior then another...

bnp, nazis national front they are present in all western white ethnic locations..

in india the british invaded but there was no national fron, same in africa, against the belgians etc etc..

point is yuo are talking about nazis but dont undertand diversity.. polish peopel should be allowed to vote, what about the 300, ooo french in uk they had this opportunity, did you rasie a concenr then?

many of these peopel intend to return to their nation and it is imprtant that in the eu we have free elctions adn people can participate...
Kilkline 1 | 689  
24 Oct 2007 /  #5
Quoting: tornado2007
Secondly i then watched a program about polish football hooligans and NAZI'S yes NAZI'S in POLAND!!!!!

what about the BNP and NAZI's in ENGLAND (or indeed anywhere in the world)

Theres no contradication to being a member of the BNP in England. There is a contradiction in being a Polish Nazi.
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
24 Oct 2007 /  #6
what about the BNP and NAZI's in ENGLAND (or indeed anywhere in the world)

hang on a minute, uuuummm i'm thinking of history and in particular the persecution of your country by the very named :) Your country suffered some of the WORST treatment by the NAZI'S.

This simply put is the EU. They are Polish citizens who have a right to vote for Polish government. Its called postal votes.

simple, if you cared that much you would be in Poland to vote and care for your country, if not then forget it :)

Ireland has this and even the UK does. believe it or not, this happens in other countries! any UK general election and you are, lets say in sudan, brazil or even Poland - you can still vote! head to the embassy and voila! now, it so happens that there are SO many Polish here in the UK & IRE so there is more setup to accomodate the larger demand - the same would happen for GB citizens if there were huge volumes of them in ANY other country. its how its done.

exactly so go to your embassy then and not getting us to bend over backwards for you

Nazi's & hooligans exits all over the world (the UK included) so its nothing new or to be pinned on Poland.

ow know i know what i'm talking about on that point, thank you very much, i was talking about the polling stations :)

Polish people voting for polish elections abroad is nothing new either. as pointed above, a UK citizen can do the same abroad also.

yes through our embassy's :)

I hope this has helped illuminate.

yes it helps and thanks for your point of view

The costs of polling stations are paid for by the Polish authorities I believe

ok i'll take your word for it, thanx for the info

Theres no contradication to being a member of the BNP in England. There is a contradiction in being a Polish Nazi.

exactly i think he missed my point about things been backwards this weekend
jareck8  
24 Oct 2007 /  #7
A number of things happened to me this week that shocked me, firstly i was in a pub on Friday night where i was slapped (not punched) by a guy for calling Lewis Hamilton British!!!! Secondly i then watched a program about polish football hooligans and NAZI'S yes NAZI'S in POLAND!!!!! now those two events alone make your head spin the sheer backward nature of both incidents are enough to confuse and disgust anybody.

i can sense an elemant of fear, this is natural when is confronted with change, the fact is uk is changing, chanigin fo rth ebetter, since migration uk is growing, growing in success with the collection of many people around the world all contributing, this is the same way people from the easter europe block will contribute..

i dont get the aggro,, there are many many migrants to this land, and many of this land have migrated... stop the fuss, get on with taking out problems like rape, drugs, robbery, murder, and other illicit and immral activity...
Ronek 1 | 261  
24 Oct 2007 /  #8
tornado2007

First of all its not backwarded. I'm actualy amused to see you making a thread like that since I thought you would be a lot better informed and open minded.

we have polling stations in the UK for Polish people to vote for the elections in Poland.

Well its called european union. Imigrants from UE who stay in another UE country for a longer period of time have the right to vote there. It's the same with british who come to Poland so stop whining.

I'm not sure what it is like in the US

once again. I dont see what US has to do with this issue since Us is not in UE.

Tihs is so backwards its un believable

why is that so? it's a part of the UE which brits cherish so much.

using British tax payers money to organise something

NO! you are missinformed again. It's paid by polish government. Like the polls for brits in Poland are beeing paid of by yours gov.

i have probably missed some points and lack a few facts

yes and clearly didnt have enough time to think about it. every other european union
nation has to same right so I dont get your point.

simple, if you cared that much you would be in Poland to vote and care for your country, if not then forget it :)

just wow:) so you're showing your real face here or what?
so what about all the germans, french and english who live in Poland they shouldnt be alowed to vote because of someones biggotry?
daffy 23 | 1,508  
24 Oct 2007 /  #9
hang on a minute, uuuummm i'm thinking of history and in particular the persecution of your country by the very named :) Your country suffered some of the WORST treatment by the NAZI'S.

Im irish mate ;) born & bred. and the UK was singled out too for some pretty nice nazi attention if i recall ahem, the UK was fortunate they never got the chance eh wot.

Theres no contradication to being a member of the BNP in England. There is a contradiction in being a Polish Nazi.

yes there is, the BNP is a facist movement, wanting to remove foreigners from the Uk (ie anyone who doesnt look or sound like 'them'. being a polish nazi is confusing, but so is being a nazi full stop. it is a viewpoint that fuels hatred, racism and so forth. I wouldnt go out of my way to say being a a nazi in England is any better than being a polish nazi :)

simple, if you cared that much you would be in Poland to vote and care for your country, if not then forget it :)

again, im irish mate. However, should we prevent UK citiziens worldwide from voting in UK elections so? i think not. The UK is apart of the EU and it allows all the members to do the same as they allwo for the UK. (point made about the 300,00 french citizens, do you care as much about that point? je ne sais pas!

exactly i think he missed my point about things been backwards this weekend

...just because people don't agree with your point of view doesn't mean they misunderstood you :)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
24 Oct 2007 /  #10
All overseas (British) voters can vote by post or by proxy. A proxy vote is where you nominate someone else to vote in person on your behalf. This can be arranged at the time of registration. Postal votes are sent out around one week before polling day, so if it would be difficult to receive and return your vote within one week, arrange for a proxy vote.

so you see we dont need polling stations in other countries!
Hueg - | 320  
24 Oct 2007 /  #11
NAZI'S in POLAND!!!!!

If it's raining out this might notch you up to a category two.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6985808.stm

Interest piqued on the Lewis Hamilton part. More info?
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
24 Oct 2007 /  #12
I have to say that Im a bit surprised by this post from someone who normally speaks a lot of wisdom. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I fail to see the problem with people being allowed to vote whilst living overseas, whether they are EU members or not. There were actually 24 polling stations in the UK and 7 of them were in London.. I dont understand why this bothers you.. personally I dont think its a bad thing to have the right to vote.. wherever you may be living
Kilkline 1 | 689  
24 Oct 2007 /  #13
Theres no contradiction to being a member of the BNP in England. There is a contradiction in being a Polish Nazi.

Polish Nazism is like turkeys voting for Christmas. Being an English fascist is not.
jareck8  
24 Oct 2007 /  #14
I have to say that Im a bit surprised by this post from someone who normally speaks a lot of wisdom. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I fail to see the problem with people being allowed to vote whilst living overseas, whether they are EU members or not. There were actually 24 polling stations in the UK and 7 of them were in London.. I dont understand why this bothers you.. personally I dont think its a bad thing to have the right to vote.. wherever you may be living

i think the only concern is the monetary issues however if the plish authorities have taken control then there is no logical issue
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
24 Oct 2007 /  #15
I think the above states that it is not British taxpayers who are bending over backwards to help Polish voters, but Poland who is helping Polish people use their right to vote. if all Polish people in the UK with a vote turned up at the embassy it would be a logistical nightmare, it made sense for them to open polling stations around the country.

I work as a Poll Clerk during elections in the UK, the European elections are funded by Brussels, all people with a right to vote in the EU are able to vote at their nearest station. When I worked at the last European Election, plenty of Polish people came in to vote, as is their right to do so as members of the EU
Kilkline 1 | 689  
24 Oct 2007 /  #16
The queue to vote at the Polish Consulate was massive by the way, you would have been waiting for hours. My wife is pregnant so she asked if there was a different q for pregnant women and was told to go straight through. I told her her afterwards that she must be sure to phone her family and tell them with pride how she had represented Poland approriately by both voting and pushing in a queue to do it.
miranda  
24 Oct 2007 /  #17
I have to say that Im a bit surprised by this post from someone who normally speaks a lot of wisdom.

something else must have happened in that bar.
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
24 Oct 2007 /  #18
maybe he got concussion?
miranda  
24 Oct 2007 /  #19
maybe,
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
24 Oct 2007 /  #20
but according to previous posts his gf is Serbian! Anyway, not really fair to discuss this when he's not around.. let the Tornado speak for itself.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
24 Oct 2007 /  #21
I have to say that Im a bit surprised by this post from someone who normally speaks a lot of wisdom. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I fail to see the problem with people being allowed to vote whilst living overseas, whether they are EU members or not. There were actually 24 polling stations in the UK and 7 of them were in London.. I dont understand why this bothers you.. personally I dont think its a bad thing to have the right to vote.. wherever you may be living

He's furious because he thinks that the British government is paying for it. Which BTW is NOT true.

Poles in the USA also got the chance to vote. All the polling stations, just like it was the case with the UK, were funded by the polish government. (some of them being de facto, Polish embassies) It's basically always been that way.

Could you post your source of information that stated something different?

Or is it just your intuition? You do seem to bee quite paranoid. Everyone wants to screw your country, starting from the immigrants to new EU member states. Britain is only giving and not gaining anything. And your such a small island...Poor poor Little Britain...

You were saying before on this forum something about victim mentality? It looks that you know it pretty well from your autopsy.
peterweg 37 | 2,321  
24 Oct 2007 /  #22
The costs of polling stations are paid for by the Polish authorities I believe

Makes this thread rather pointless doesn't it?
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
24 Oct 2007 /  #23
Yes - but is it the only one?
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
24 Oct 2007 /  #24
i can sense an elemant of fear, this is natural when is confronted with change, the fact is uk is changing, chanigin fo rth ebetter, since migration uk is growing, growing in success with the collection of many people around the world all contributing, this is the same way people from the easter europe block will contribute..

i dont get the aggro,, there are many many migrants to this land, and many of this land have migrated... stop the fuss, get on with taking out problems like rape, drugs, robbery, murder, and other illicit and immral activity...

no fear just disappointment and dis-belief

yes and clearly didnt have enough time to think about it. every other european union
nation has to same right so I dont get your point.

well as people always say 'its a polish forum' so i commented on poland :)

just wow:) so you're showing your real face here or what?
so what about all the germans, french and english who live in Poland they shouldnt be alowed to vote because of someones biggotry?

biggotry, what, and on your point, no they should not :)

I have to say that Im a bit surprised by this post from someone who normally speaks a lot of wisdom. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I fail to see the problem with people being allowed to vote whilst living overseas, whether they are EU members or not. There were actually 24 polling stations in the UK and 7 of them were in London.. I dont understand why this bothers you.. personally I dont think its a bad thing to have the right to vote.. wherever you may be living

everybody has a right to vote yes, but not in another country where it dosen't concern it, like in this case, the UK.

i think the only concern is the monetary issues however if the plish authorities have taken control then there is no logical issue

i partly agree yes, money was part of the point.

I think the above states that it is not British taxpayers who are bending over backwards to help Polish voters, but Poland who is helping Polish people use their right to vote. if all Polish people in the UKwith a vote turned up at the embassy it would be a logistical nightmare, it made sense for them to open polling stations around the country.

well at least the joke of a government realise that there are no poles left in poland to vote anymore.

something else must have happened in that bar.

no my dear just faced by a racist scumbag i'm afraid, it seems that this gentlemen had a view that Hamilton was not English because of the colour of his skin.

but according to previous posts his gf is Serbian! Anyway, not really fair to discuss this when he's not around.. let the Tornado speak for itself.

well my gf is not Serbian she is just my friend.

He's furious because he thinks that the British government is paying for it. Which BTW is NOT true.

i did think that yes, but i was not furious just a little annoyed to be honest.

Poles in the USA also got the chance to vote. All the polling stations, just like it was the case with the UK, were funded by the polish government. (some of them being de facto, Polish embassies) It's basically always been that way.

thanks for the info

Or is it just your intuition? You do seem to bee quite paranoid. Everyone wants to screw your country, starting from the immigrants to new EU member states. Britain is only giving and not gaining anything. And your such a small island...Poor poor Little Britain...

nobody is screwing us but they are taking and not giving :)

You were saying before on this forum something about victim mentality? It looks that you know it pretty well from your autopsy.

not at all i just think our immigration system is floored in many many many ways :)

Makes this thread rather pointless doesn't it?

so why comment mr clever :)

Yes - but is it the only one?

probably note

GENERAL NOTE:

Those who have tried to make me out as anti-polish, racists, right wing or anything else only have to look back in the past to see the kind of things i have written. If you would like to comment properly about my stance or supposed racism or anti-polishness i'm happy to discuss it.

Yes i apologise for my lack of evidence overall knowledge on the subject however i did pre-warn everybody all though it looks like some people just can't help themselves but have a free shot at me. Fair enough just don't complain when i may one day return the favour although believe me i won't be taking cheap shots :)

As for being scared i can only refer to my points all through this forum about immigration and the lack of control our government has on the influx of people entering my country. its not to different for those who discuss the Indians entering Poland is it!!
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
24 Oct 2007 /  #25
everybody has a right to vote yes, but not in another country where it dosen't concern it

What about concerns for their family that are living in PL (or whatever country)?
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
24 Oct 2007 /  #26
why does the UK care about that???

I don't mind if Poles want to vote but surely those who are in residence in Poland are those who should vote, i'm sure their families are capable of voting??
jareck8  
24 Oct 2007 /  #27
you wouldnt understand this in the UK there is pure selfishness.. you only think of yourself,, in poland we actually care for our familiess....... we have a sharing caring culture...
daffy 23 | 1,508  
24 Oct 2007 /  #28
why does the UK care about that???

why does France, ireland or poland care about the Uk in the reverse situation?
OP tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
24 Oct 2007 /  #29
you wouldnt understand this in the UK there is pure selfishness.. you only think of yourself,, in poland we actually care for our familiess....... we have a sharing caring culture...

don't make me laugh, your trying to tell me that people in the UK don't care about their families, there is no country in the world where any people wouldn't care for their families.

Your ignorant and obviously and sandwich short off a full picnic basket if you think that!!!!
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
24 Oct 2007 /  #30
why does the UK care about that???

It's called being a good host :) If I was living over seas I'd want the best for my fam too. Regardless if they're also voting. Every vote counts and every person has the right. Why argue about sth like this?.

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