Polls for Poles in the UK

Tornado, Would you be in favour of the UK not being in the EU?


Are you afraid of this?

EU :) need i say anymore


no but once you give an inch people will take a mile :)


no no no my dear, i don't want to argue, anyway were debating and why would i want to argue with you anyway i like talking with you normally.


i used the polish as an example because this is a polish forum


thats big coming from you :)


well there you go 'International Law' how about Britain having rights about Britain not International law having rights over Britain, thats my point. WE SHOULD BE IN CONTROL OURSELVES :)


personally yes, but the country needs to have a referendum to decide this issue. I mean only the BRITISH people not immigrants. I'm sure we all know the result of that referendum its why they won't have one :)


no i just feel it can only have a negative affect on the country overall

OK, so basically you're saying you don't want Polish people to have a say in the running of their own country.

ow man come on it was an example, i want them to have their say just not in this way, postal and embassy yes, public polling stations no

Why? It's not costing the Brit. public anything, it's not affecting the Brit. way of life.

Define the "BRITISH people" please

right my point is not actually the physical voting, its the fact that we are letting other countries do things within our own. I don't won't to stop the Poles or anybody else having there say i just don't want to be overrun by 'International' or 'EU' law. This is the 'UK' and should be under 'UK' law ONLY. it should also be the same for each individual country. OK so there is special circumstances for things such as the conventions of war etc.


people who are, Nothern Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh. Its that simple :)

- Even if the Poles pay for it? By the way, when you speak of the 'British taxpayers,' you seem to suggest that Poles working in your country don't pay taxes. In reality, they pay them, like everyone else.

So what would your conclusion be...?

As for me, I don't care if the British living in Poland use Polish polling stations for voting.

This is a bad argument. The world has evolved Tornado, you see, Polish people live in Britain and British people live in Poland but not only that, both nationalities live all over the world.


You do. You don't want Polish people to be able to vote within the UK. You said as much.

well good for you :)


yes even if Poland is paying for it


i know the majority do, thank you.


exactly what i said before, stop the public polling stations


of course they do!!!!!! where do you think i've been the last ten years. just because the Polish live here or we live there it does not mean we or they should have all these 'rights' and laws that we can cry too if we can't get our own way.


no dolly i said i don't want public polling stations, i don't mind embassy or postal votes. its the principal of allowing it publicly that i don't like

So you're OK with foreigners fighting for and defending your country, but once they succeed they should be deprived of the right to vote in their own elections and for their own money?

I can't agree with you here. i think it's very important that Britain remains in the EU.

Traditionally Europe has always been dominated by Britain France and Germany, with one of the two being allied against the other. Currently France and Germany are in the driving seat because Britain has partially opted out (of the Euro for example). I prefer the British ideal of a looser EU of co-operating Sovereign nation states rather than the French idea of a movement towards ever closer centralised integration (which is how France is run).

Don't forget either why the EU was created, to prevent another big war by being nice to each other and co-operating on trade for the prosperity of all, also to anbchor Germany firmly in the West as an ally rather than in the middle as a potentially hostile foe.

I think that it is vital that Britain plays a leading role in the EU. Just my 2cents (or pence) worth.
Leaving the EU would also be bad for Britain's trade.

Tornado,

You see, I can't be bothered with you changing your arguments to suit the replies you receive to previous arguments. If you want Polish people to be able to vote, you won't mind how they do it.

sorry but if your part of the 'allied forces' your fighting for all allied members including your own, so don't play the defending your country card.


then we will just agree to disagree. however i would be interested on what you think the result of a referendum on this situation would be??

I'm sick and tired of all this. I wish we were not coming to UK. I wish all the Poles working there dumped their sh..tty jobs and came back to Poland, instead of taking all these insults.

It's a sick world we're living in, where media psychopaths are allowed to spread their hate with total impunity.

Actually, it isn't that simple.
Firstly, more than 30% of people in Northern Ireland regard themselves as being Irish.


Do you mean citizens of these nationalities, ie persons who have the right to vote (and therefore wouold be voting in the referendum anyway)?


It would be very interesting, and close, but I think that Britain would stay in the EU, by 55 to 45 or something like that. It would probably be down to who runs the best media campaign that would decide the result.

i'm not trying to insult the poles but i wouldn't mind if some of them and other immigrants left the country so we could kick our lazy assed people into jobs :) I don't mind those who have specialist skills or work in higher positions in companies but cleaning floors, serving coffee, we have our own people to do simple jobs like that.


i think you need to go and see a doctor and maybe start on anti-depressants


listen if they don't want to be British then they can sling their hooks its as simple as that :) i don't want people who don't want to be British.


i mean people who were born in either of those countries, people who have citizenship after being in residence of the UK for 5-10 years or however long it takes i'm not sure.


personally and its only my point of view, your living in a dream world, it seems once again we will have to agree to disagree.

Don't be, you should always stand up for your point of view. Know which side you are on and argue for it :)

Don't say that :(
I'd lose a lot of friends :(

This is a very stupid and ignorant comment, and I am sad to say the one I feared I would get. I'm going to leave it at that for now on the topic of Northern Ireland as it is not relevant here, except to say that you should read a little more about the history of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and N. Ireland, say from the reign of Henry the Seventh to the present. You might learn a lot more than you obviously don't know now. We can discuss it then if you like.


same as my definition - we agree on something. Dobrze

If you guys are in the British Isles (a nice safe non-political geographical term that includes the Republic of Ireland and the UK) then it's 3am. Marathon session heh :)

Yes, but the fact is that the allied forces did NOT fight for ALL members equally.

3 AM. Some of us slept for 4 hours after getting in from work and now can't even pretend to be tired... :)

yes we could considering my father and other family members went over their to clean up the mess between the north and the south. I'm sorry for my ignorance as you call it, i don't just mean IRISH when i say 'those who don't consider themselves British' i mean ALL who say that. I don't really mind why they don't want to be British neither the reasons for it. If they don't want to then hay they don't have to be. So don't throw the 'ignorant' card at me because thats not the reason at all :). Maybe i should read a little more considering my families involvement in the conflict over in Ireland. I like the idea of a combined Ireland where the Irish are Irish. Thats a pipe dream i know.


lol


ok so please expalin what you mean, examples etc, i kind of get where your coming from but i would like to hear a few examples and reasonings please??

I didn't - but I'm not tired - migh be that "Polish Tea" I had earlier....


You have to be clear in what you say then.
Because if you don't say accurately what you mean how can others know what you mean to say. The reader can only read the written words, not unwritten thoughts behind them.

I will, tomorrow.

It's late on your side of the pond, and it's getting late here too, so for now have a good night all.

point taken


yeah i'm cool with that, its late here in England very much so:) i've got one eye on the baseball too

And i've had it too, i'm off to bed.
I'll be back, as the Cyborg said in the movie....

There's a lot of points in post 121, but it'll have to wait for another day.
Dobranoc

I can't believe you're still argueing about this.

It's already been established that Poland and not UK paid for this...

What is your problem with a Polish person, entering their local Polish club and casting their vote, all supervised by Polish people...no Anglo-Saxon was harmed in the process.

But then you say they should use a postal vote...I'm surprised you don't object to them using Her Majesty's Royal Mail boxes, the contents of which are emptied, transported and sorted by Her Majesty's Royal Mail employees...or perhaps you do object them using a Royal Mail postal service...Perhaps the Poles should supply their own post boxes..or better still ballot boxes.

so hang on,

will the apply to british citizens abroad so? Unless you are in britian you cannot vote in a british election unless you are in britian? overturning decades of international community policy and diplomacy? What about the armed services abroad? what about the GB citizens who happen to be working in Dubai or warsaw? By your merits, your saying you wont allow the british government to organise, pay and allow GB citizens overseas (ie in other countries) the ability to vote? Because that is in effect what you are saying about the Polish govt have done in the UK (and in many other places.

newsflash - this kind of thing was going on long before EU btw.
immigration...Tornado, the former british empire is responsible for a very large amount of forced migration you know. before the EU, how many indians, africans were 'taken' to GB and colonies? but its ok, because they had no vote at home so i guess you can disregard this paragraph.

the makeup of the GB population is more varied than white british male and has connections to many countries around the world.

these people are british and should they go abroad are entitled to vote in british elections abroad. the GB govt organises, pays and allows this by the grace of international law - the converse is. they allow other nations to organise, pay and allow other nations to do the same.

there is no cost to the uk tax payer
there is no laws imposed on the gb citizen as a result of such election (as there is none when a GB citizen does the very same abroad)

it is not an EU law, it is an international law, that PREDATES EU.

there is zero impact on the british economey of this act.
save the scene that you see people exercising democracy.

I truely feel from your original post, you objected largely to there being a GB cost to this, now you've conceeded there is not and merely have you 'back up' now

AS i dont think you would want the GB citizens right to vote abraod removed either.

Torn, unfortunately you don't let me change my mind about you. I don't like EU (maybe not totally but in current version this is s*hit no doubt) but this has nothing to do with EU or any political correctness, that's not any "make love not war" kind of stuff, that's simply one of the most basic things. If your government tried to interrupt in any way, you would make yourself an ass of the world and suffer huge loses both politically and economically.