Why do Poles come to England?

I just think it would stop the UK being seen as a cash-cow.

If you needed a British passport before you were entitled to anything, it would make people think twice about coming here unless they had the means to support themselves.

One of my neighbours is Polish, although she's lived here for years and years. She had to do things the old way in terms of a visa and after she married a British guy she had be interviewed by the home office and so on. She says that Polish people come here for one thing and one thing only: money. Other than that they wouldn't come and she said that most don't really want to be here.

It's that sort of mentality that I think needs to be stopped somehow, whether it is through only giving benefits to British citizens, limiting work permits or whatever it is we need to do SOMETHING to stop the rot.

Loved the youtube vid by the way ;-)

You just haven't read what i have told here! I said for all entitled people. If you agreed to give the same rights to EU citizens like for your own, you should accept this fact and law. I agree that benefits should be given only for people living in England.


I'm not foreigner I'm EU citizen that's the difference. Please better take care about your brothers from Syria and about employement agencies making mess on your job market :)

Read below what i think about it.

You're not British and you weren't born here so you're a foreigner.

The EU is not a country with one people and the term "EU citizen" means nothing to most British people.

I'm not trying to offend you, but that's the way it is.

HHhhmmm... interesting proposal, can you expand upon this.
So a foreginer in England should get a National Insurance number, otherwise you are on emergency tax (the highest tax bracket) and then they find out what tax bracket you ought to be in and give you the appropriate National Insurance number.

So it could be done at that point and does not necessarily have to be about British citizenship.


We call that 'passing the buck'.

Nobody says that child benefit in Poland is 53 or 54 zl/ child / month which is 10 pounds/mth...funny money but yes it's fraud if you take benefits in both countries, should be prosecuted. Doesn't make any sense to apply for polish super benefits while you're working and living in the UK and face prosecution ? I'm 100% sure it's stupid and irrational.


We could tell the same about Brits but we don't. I mean EU citizen means nothing for some English people. Ignorance is not the solution! I understand that some people need more time to change their nationalistic behavior but there's no place for nationalists in nowadays world. They had their word in 1939.

As it said in the article, people do it thinking that the system is such a shambles that they won't be found out. Some are probably right to think that.


It's not a case of being nationalistic, if I was being nationalistic I would want anyone that wasn't white kicked out of the country too.

Are you not in anyway proud of your Polish heritage and do you not want to see certain things preserved ?


That is not a very nice comparison.


It's my understanding that non-EU citizens here on work visas and so on have a stamp in their passport saying that they cannot use the "public purse".

Assuming that benefits offices check such things then they cannot claim benefits, use the NHS and maybe not even be allowed to send their kids to a state school.

I think that this should be extended to all foreign nationals as there just isn't the money to pay for everything to everyone.

I'm not trying to be harsh or cruel, but the money will one day run out and then some really tough choices will need to be made.

What's about UK residents with rights they've got now? Take them all these rights back. If I understand and remember there wasn't such a case that the law allows to take any rights back before the new law is in power? It would be problem because it could create better foreigners before a new law age who gets all their benefits but a new foreigners don't get it even they're from the same country. Really good solution to make masters and slaves class. About your Polish friend. She doesn't have to apply for anything since 2004 because she is from EU now.

Yes.


Life is all about swings and roundabouts and winners and losers.

Sooner or later (ideally sooner) the Government will have to reduce the benefits bill and the only way that they can do that is say to some that are entitled to something or other, "sorry but you are no longer entitled to it."

The Government can only solve the current mess with radical action.


If you had read what I had written you would have seen that I wasn't asking a question about her immigration status. I was merely stating what someone that moved here before 2004 had to go through and her views on those that were just let in the front door.

well if it becomes true, you will lose more than you think, we will just take back all our money saved here, count it and you will have 30% less in your pocket than now you have.


The Government should reduce first benefits for 10 millions or more people from deep east who really supports you in your war against them. Leave real alliances in peace. Take advantage on real mess makers.

That would sum up the main reason why many were here in the first place then wouldn't it ?

It obviously has sod all to do with wanting to make a new life in the UK.


I'd take the risk.


I take your point but it could be argued that those that were born and raised here, but have origins from elsewhere shall we say, are more entitled then you are ?

If you don't give me a chance to become your citizen with full rights to live, exist and improve why should i stay? to clean your back...for less and to be a 2nd class citizen or even better for you some kind of animal you would get as cheap as only possible. What do you expect? I want to stay here but if times get worse because of super brothers from next door we need to adapt. This is named as flexibility. Believe me you would do the same if somebody would act against you that way. My first mind to come here was to stay here but many English people do as much as they can to not become it real. I'm still thinking my old way, money is not all at all.

What's about east-midlands brotherhood inside of your own country? Do you think you're save with them in so many numbers, especially proceeding your military actions against them?


How many is born here and how many came here from outside? I think the numbers say it is the real nightmare. Example: One of them is born here , whole his family is here. Of course Deep east brothers are the best in that.

All EU citizens have the right to stay and work in the UK - end of story. The reasons they choose to do are varied and quite frankly their decision. Don't like it? Form a political party to amend Eu rules or take us out of the EU.

I love it to be honest, I have worked in six different countries in the E.U. and I am very happy I have such freedom of movement.


Ah it's 14:07 on a Thursday, maybe next week we can talk about when we might form a political party and more importantly, what are we going to call ourselves???

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I would like to see the E.U. more like the U.S.A. system of federal laws and state laws.
To have freedom of movement should also mean that the E.U. Police can follow criminals, even benefit fraud, should be easier to track and caught.

Good point. Fully agree with that. Long way to get it, especially when we have got some people with one direction thinking. It will be long long time...to become like the USA if the E.U. survives. The oone thing I'm worried about is that everybody is a friend in good times , in bad times everybody shows strange behaviour to show the bad things.

You do that anyway.


Nobody asks people to come to the UK, people come here under their own steam. When your country in 20 years time is flooded with immigrants and illegal immigrants and asylum seekers then we can talk again.


I think Ukip have already done that :D

Im not against immigration, far from it, but I think opening the floodgates and allowing so called free movement isnt the way forward. Why is so bad for people to apply for a permit to come and work in a country? If they have a skill set that matches what the country needs then they will come here, be treated well and not abused like some employers have done...Due the fact things are not regulated, there are agencies out there that have abused this, to the detriment of migrant workers and the indiginous population. Id be in favour of Police and medical checks on ALL those entering the UK too.

Sean is this true? I find this a little hard to believe since a british person say with 2 children, and living in the uk would receive approx £130 per month, as child benefit, irrespective of the fact that the father or mother is working. It would seem so unfair if a child residing out of the uk is receiving more benefits each month than an child residing in the uk.

Perhaps someone could clarify the criteria for child benefit to those, non-english residing in the uk and outside the uk.

But you don't want to become a British citizen do you ?


The "EU" is not a country, it is a collection of countries, therefore "EU citizen" is a meaningless expression. You may just as well have said "world citizen" - should we all have total freedom of movement across the entire globe ?


It has been formed and it's called UKIP, are you a member ?


Good question, why are people so against having any form of regulation or rules when it comes to immigration ?

This will never happen, because by the time all the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers reach polish " red-tape" the majority will have died of hunger, frostbite or old age, or got so "peeved off" with the timescale that they took the bus back to London to repeat the phrase "you want car wash madam".

Good God no

Yes I do. I've got only 1 year to wait until finally i reach 5 years of living here. I'll become English citizen and I"ll be Polish citizen either and you will be able to do nothing with me and my family :)

Fact: Polish people can claim CHB as soon as they come here. It's the only benefit you can get straight away.
Child tax credit - Im not sure if it's so simple as it depends on your income.

However, last year or begining of this year I read soemwhere that CHB will be given only to children who live here. I think that is very fair and reasonable approach. IF it happens.

Other benefits
I also thought that one of the conditions to be able to claim other benefits (housing, council tax tec) was to be 'in a continous employment for 12 months' however, I've been proved wrong recently.

Apparently one can claim any sort of benefits as soon as they take up an employment and stay in it, without the requirement of 12 mth continous employment. If that's the case, the whole Work Registration Scheme doesn't make sense.

Original statement 2004 re: EU nationals and benefits:
press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-releases/No_Uk_Benefits_For_Eu_Accession_

How it evolved and what is happening now:


Fact - all benefits in Poland have been, and I believe they still are, means tested. It's not the case in the UK.

Fact - NHS is free in the UK
Fact - a friend of mine, who happens to be working in Poland on and off since 1997, had a problem with accessing Polish health care system. I went to a local doctor with him once. He was refused to be treated under the 'national healthcare system' and adviced to see a doctor privately. It was way back in late 1990 - and I know that back then Poland had an agreement with UK re: accessing the national healthcare system which allowed Polish people to access NHS for free (before 2004) and the same supposed to be happening in Poland - any UK national should be treated without problem for free. It wasn't the case.

I also visited Poland last year and required a medical attention. Ended up in a hospital's A&E in the middle of the night and was flatly refused help because...I don't pay Polish ZUS. Thank God for a cousin-doctor. It wouldn't happen to a Polish person here, in the UK.

So if you ask me, yes, UK is very lenient - and way too leninet and easy. That's why Polish people (and not only) come here.

Santander, to the best of my knowledge it is true. My wife is a very trustworthy person as I have come to learn. I can't show you any legislation to that effect but I believe what she told me last night. I have no reason to doubt her on this one.

That's radiculous what I've read here. You should be treated the same way as Polish. Get damn help from our lazy doctors. That's why so many Polish is here because there are some cases that Polish in their own country have got problems with getting not only health services but also with right wages, etc etc.. Our politics and whole parliament that's a mess and another story known as legalised comunism and just reactivated after 1989 as new democracy. That's the next thing should be sorted out in Poland because it's some problem for European Union either.

You mean British citizen, you have to be born English you cannot become English.

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You're wrong. I can and I don't have to be born here. It's named naturalisation process. It's offered everywhere fom the North Pole to the South Pole, from East to West.

press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-releases/becoming-a-citizen?version=1

workpermit.com/uk/naturalisation.htm

You need a medical insurance card, the one which replaced the E111 form. I came to Poland with the E111 form but it was replaced maybe 2 years ago. I have been paying ZUS for just over 2 years now and I have an NFZ card (ZUS Zua or sth like that).

Poland has a large problem with salaries. They have been rising but not in tandem with inflation. Smokers, in particular, will notice the difference.

No sir you are. You can apply for BRITISH citizenship not ENGLISH citizenship,being English is a birth right as is being Scottish or Welsh.

and don't forget the word "corruption" in your government. No different to the british government, only they don't like that dirty word corruption, they use a more sophisticated word "expenses" same thing really, receiving money to which they are not entitled!

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What's the difference between them in the law meaning? Don't you have rights for the same support sources? If you British or English Citizen nobody can touch you with your rights. Am I wrong? Germans were trying to say the same to whole world 60 years ago, they're specific because they're nordics :)

Sławek, do you have an English spouse? If not, I think the law states 6 years habitual residence before you are entitled to citizenship. If you have a spouse, then 3 years.