Poles in UK claiming state benefit have cost the taxpayer 45M pounds

Sadly, people like Frank/StupidWelsh (now there's an irony) feel that their open and unquestioning compassion makes them (or their children) less likely to be effected by aggressive 'reverse integration' by (in particular) islamic communties and their 'bleeding hearts' supporters.

Well, so be it guys. Just remember, your tolerance and forgiveness will only be rewarded when you're praying five times a day :)


I am indeed. Unlike many English Pole bashers on this forum, I empathise with our European bretheren.

Frank, I am easily drawn into such discussions at the work place. I don't hide in forums :)

Only 5 times a day? I already pray more than that, being a Christian and all that, and being a Christian I attempt to follow Christ’s teachings, you might like to try it sometime, maybe, if you ever get a day off from Paki bashing?

And curiously, Hobbitual...if it wasn't for 30 million Russians being slaughtered during WWII we'd be speaking german.....but we aint....so go read tea cups elsewhere !

So H, in your work place if its allowed, you've said to Muslim(?) colleagues, that they are all evil and terrorists....................................................no..I don't believe you!


Here you are making assumptions.........just like the rest of your arguments.....oh...shes wearing a veil...must be a threat to me and my family.......laughable!

May I be so bold to assme you work in the BNP party office?...if thats the case.......you shouldn't much like Polish people either!

"I empathise with our European bretheren"......as long as they aint Muslim.....I bet....!!!!!!.......such a hypocrite!

Don't get me wrong H, if they've committed a crime....deal with them via the courts, not lynch mobs!

Is what you originally said.


This is your 'modified' reply...... :( :)


No I'm neither a worker or member of the BNP, but they do have my blessing generally.
Their views on Poles are unfortunate, and the whole 'too many jobs / too many lazy Britons' type of discussion is well played out here and with some merit.

Personally I don't mind Poles, but the mainstream parties are lining their pockets 'big time' while this island becomes increasingly rotten.
I used to like Labour when they initially modernised, but look at the situation now... It's not too good.
Crime and ethnic conflicts dutifully brought over here by the respective immigrant parties. At least Poles and other Europeans are here to work, rather than become subversive underminers of GB.


The only praying I do is that people will wake up and realise they've been had!
Sure, JC may have existed. He was only a man after all :)
The bibles of this world are only moral guides. There's no supporting evidence that suggests those who pray to "god" are any more fortunate in life than those don't.

Life is what you make it. Destructive, constructive or any combination of the two. That choice is yours and the consequences there after. As for death, well who cares? Show me evidence that it matters one way or the other! :)


Really? Care to prove/explain?
If you are simply questioning my integrity, then I guess you'll have to accept my word for it.

Thanx H., you've just lost any remnant of an argument you thought you had........the spiritual sons of facists etc...alive and well!

nobody said to kill anyone.
anytime-ANYTHING is said against muslim-you call it "racism"
there are a lot of evidences that muslims :
-don't integrate
-don't pay taxes to "KUFFURS"
-behave like animals (gang rapes on white women.ever heard of muslim raping an asian woman?also honour killings)
-irish/muslims? it is funny that you compare this people.northern ireland was/is under occupation but who thretens pakistan?
-abuse welfare/benefits system
and so on.
nobody wants to kill them or something stupid like that but i think the immigration from muslim 3d world countries should stop or be limited to high class specialists.

and there is a question for you:
wolud you send your daughter/wife for a holiday to countries like saudi arabia,pakistan or even tunisia?

Hs, post...intimates...the christian west being conquered, subverted my Muslims groups.....in that case....it would mean a war situation.......somebodies gunna die...even if it is collateral damage!

Sure, I do not want to go to these countries....but only because I can't do heat, plus their culture is too "different" to my own...it doesn't appeal to me!

The Irish nation was vilified for long enough...to realise that the responses on here...won't resolve any differences/mis-understandings etc

Ain't that the truth! Sadly, people like Frank (who I suspect are nice, likable people in person), won't realise until their children know muslim folklore better than their own British lore.


Oh go on Frank... Jump on the 'me too' bandwagon and hide among the smug moralistic 'I'm so nice therefore I'm safe' fraternity. I knew that my honesty would bring such a predictably trite reply....

Let me see...Enoch Powells spiritual successor?

You are predicting the future..........................scare mongering........no one knows...your spin on things doesn't weigh up......end of.

I don't do smug..........it appears you do, cos you're so familiar with the term, its just no one knows....

The Irish, haven't been safe for 800 odd years...why start worrying now....:)

Since you can't predict the future........how could you have predicted my replies?.

Or are you a failed palm reader?

I already reported about our neighbor to the local council office. They will now stop sending housing benefit, and no more free food for his children in school

That idiot polish guy have new BMW car but still want to live on benefit. What a loophole in our benefit systems.

If anyone can help me to find more polish asking for job seeker allowance, housing benefit please let me know .. i will reward you...

Why this all fuc*** poles talk only about religion? This tread about economic condition of UK.

Why do we have to waste 45 million pound for you fuc*** poles?

We work day & night and you Fuc*** poles come here to steal our money

No, but even he didn't realise the increasing mess we have now! (rivers of blood? Well there's always rioting and such, look at France too with it's "integrated" Algerian population).


Pointless reply...


Short sightedness?


It's simple Frank. I made a (correct imo) judgement of your personality. It's not rocket science, but you're equally entitled to your opinion of me of course :)

I guess only time will tell in the end as to who's right.
If capitulation to aggressive, fast breeding minorities is your idea of compromising then start learning Arabic now :)

Governement must close the door to immigration for the time being. We have not got the jobs or the housing to accomodate these people. What is the point of them leaving their homeland to end up living on the streets of Britain? I can't understand what is going on with this governemnet or what the leader and politicians are using for brain matter. We desperately need councils to build houses as there is a shortage for the British people as it is.

Bloody hell! Are you feelin' ok? You got a cold or something? :)

u see how difficult it is to find polish living on benefits?!you ask others to find them:)
look around in your neighbourhood for muslims living on benefits you won't have any problems with finding them.you are probably one of them.

and please read again what i posted earlier on

You idiot Raffy.. i pay huge amount of tax every year. none of my family member ever claimed tax. Some poles who live here with family find england as aladin lamp.

What you guys think of ah? Almost more then half of them are fake...

And one more thing what you know only.. muslim, muslim..
You idiot bring write every post linking it with religion because you have nothing to say and i've no doubt that you understand what most poles doing here.

Interesting. But why do you think they didn't put the information how much Poles paid in to the system in that same period of time? Is it maybe because it would turn out that they have paid in in tax a lot more than actually took out from the system? :)


Ahh yes, those nasty filthy greedy Poles would do anything for money. Even dump their own children in orphanages!! How I despise them! Uuuuuuuu... :)
But wait a minute, actually I have read an article about it few months ago in "Angora" paper here in Poland... It's very funny, because it turned out that there weren't "some Polish parents" but actually only one parent (a mother) that did it. What's even more funnier is that that woman lost her rights to that kid long before she went abroad to England, and that the journalists from the Mail on Sunday never even spoke with the people from the orphanage, where this kid was transferred after he was taken from his mother... That's not a thing that a proper journalist would do, now isn't it uk? :)

Oh, and one more thing before I go:

Why would you stress that the text underneath this article would be your comment? You've been posting on this board from some time now, and from my observations you never wrote one single sentence without any mistakes, not to mention a whole paragraph. Tut tut, you are a liar, Mr. uk. Shame on you! :)


They work for example? :)

The best post in this thread :)

that's actually what some "proper journalists" would do - put it out of context - especially some working for tabloids. But I would call them journalists:(

I have to say that Polish newspapers have a lot of realy good journalists still

I totally agree with you. My favorite papers are "Wprost", "Newsweek" and of course "Angora".


He was asking for it. :)

Rzeczpospolita, but that was 4 years ago , so things might have changed.
When I read Wprost or even Polityka, I learn something. When I read one of the major newspapers here (with exceptions) I get bored.

I said this in my first post #15 but it is true they do work so respect to you and the rest of the polish population of the UK (and back in Poland)

:)

I totally agree with you. My favorite papers are "Wprost", "Newsweek" and of course "Angora".

I like Wprost and Neewsweek but I am not so big fun of Angora....

When I read Wprost or even Polityka, I learn something. When I read one of the major newspapers here (with exceptions) I get bored.

We have completely different mentality....as you said you learn something interesting....
In UK is like in USA the best hits are...labour MP had sex with his secretary,.....married MP had sex with a man.....plus lots of moanning and in tabloids from bottom range...few half naked girls....

I'm working in a very well known american Investment Bank as software programmer. We have around 650 employees from different parts of the world but i swear no poles have chance to work in my place

Some facts for a silly little person called uk_

As a Brit living in POLAND, and taking advantage of my freedom to work throughout the EU, I'm constantly surprised that well-educated Central and Eastern Europeans want to move to the UK, given the level of ignorance displayed by some, but not all of my fellow countrymen on sites like this. Perhaps it's because they've realised that the competition in the UK is not all that tough as our friend "uk_" has displayed through his ignorance and low level of intelligent discussion.

Here's how it works. There are NOT a fixed number of jobs in the UK, or in any other country. An immigrant worker doesn't "take" a job that someone else has been doing; they take a job that is vacant. And by spending their money in the UK, even on overpriced housing, they create new jobs.

Don't believe me? Look at the figures. In October 2005 (i.e. just after Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, etc) joined the EU, there were 351,000 job vacancies posted in Job Centres in the UK. In October 2006, the comparable figure was 361,000, after a year in which several hundred thousands of immigrants came to the UK to work.

So my question for the economically illiterate among you is this - exactly which jobs did they take?[UK official statistics for the job market available at nomisweb.co.uk ]

And as for the idea that immigrants are here to grow lazy on UK benefits - there are 510,000 Central & Eastern Europeans who have (to date) registered on the Home Office's worker registration scheme. Approximately 55,000 - i.e. 11%- claim tax credits or child benefit. Only 350 are claiming income support, and 859 job seeker's allowance. These figures courtesy of the Daily Mail (22 November), which estimates an annual cost of "up to GBP 60 million."

This may well be right. But hang on a moment - these 510,000 registered immigrants are all legal, and captured in the tax system. Let's assume they all earn the minimum wage only, work for 40 hours a week, and earn GBP 214. Working 45 weeks per year, total income is GBP 9630, and total income tax and national insurance payable GBP 1257. This means the UK govt. gets some GBP 641 million in tax receipts from immigrants - 10 times the amount paid out - and guess what - the balance is spent on services for the rest of us.(OK - the govt. may waste it on silly foreign adventures, but that's another problem).

So my second question for the statistically challenged among you is this - who benefits financially from immigration?

My two points are these. One - immigrants create jobs, and contribute more to the UK than they take out. And two - try and debate on the basis of facts, not ignorance and prejudice.

Let's just hope that some of the children turn out to be good cricketers, rugby players or footballers ... we could do with the help ...

There ya go......motion carried...well dun ukpolska!