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PASSPORTS FOR POLISH PEOPLE TO COME TO ENGLAND


osiol 55 | 3,921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #61
Please do not take me the wrong way here Donkey...there's a great difference in trusting people to work with plants and trusting them to work with sick/dying/elderly/children/disabled/menatally handicapped people.

Completely, but you have people who are basically thugs (who may be escaping trouble back home) moving across borders with little or no control, things can be a little dodgy.

Of course, there are those in society that need much stronger protection as you have stated. I do not deny that in the slightest.
Hueg - | 320  
6 Sep 2007 /  #62
If they are not coming to work or benefit the UK then 'no entry' sorry thats the line

But you'd be in breach of EU law. The free movement of goods, services and people between every member state.
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #63
Why should anybody feel guilty talking about people with disabilities ?

i think you were trying to put your point across while att he same time making me admit something because you felt i may give in with my thoughts because of the fact the guy you were talking about was disabled. That was all.

Heaps of people I know from Poland are taking over their relatives, mothers, fathers, children, not all working, just immigrating.

as long as the state is not supporting them and they pass all the relevant checks then why not have them come over, if there family members are working and supporting them, its ok but if they need the state to help them, then forget entry.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #64
but you have people who are basically thugs (who may be escaping trouble back home) moving across borders with little or no control, things can be a little dodgy.

I do not deny that at all.
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #65
But you'd be in breach of EU law. The free movement of goods, services and people between every member state.

this is why the legislation, laws etc need changing to benefit the UK or in fact we should forget and leave the EU all together :)
osiol 55 | 3,921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #66
leave the EU all together

Doesn't that result in less co-operation, yet still a need in the UK for continued immigration?
gavin79 3 | 72  
6 Sep 2007 /  #67
forget and leave the EU all together :)

Totally agree, its only ever been nothing but trouble
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #68
Doesn't that result in less co-operation, yet still a need in the UK for continued immigration?

dosen't really matter, plenty of people want to come here, we can pick and choose who does whether were an EU member or not.
Hueg - | 320  
6 Sep 2007 /  #69
leave the EU all together

Apart from the peace, stability, increased trade, money for regeneration and those bumpy paving slabs at all Pelican Crossings what's the EU EVAHHH done for us...
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #70
the state is not supporting them

Supporting their childrens education, providing the elderly with health checks etc ?
osiol 55 | 3,921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #71
I had a nice trip to France a couple of years ago.

EU-funded.
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #72
Supporting their childrens education, providing the elderly with health checks etc ?

i don't get what your trying to say here??
gavin79 3 | 72  
6 Sep 2007 /  #73
EU-funded.

EU ?? what is the EU ??
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #74
European Union, or United States of Europe, lol
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #75
as long as the state is not supporting them

What about all the Brits the state are supporting? And lets face facts, the government wouldn't advertise a clamp down on benefit cheats if there were none! Perhaps our own scroungers are requiring dealt with first.
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #76
hang on just a second, they are British, this is Britain of course they can be government funded, its an advantage you get when your a British Citizen.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #77
i don't get what your trying to say here??

I am saying that if a Polish person comes here with their children and the children are in education, then the state are supporting them surely ?

That if an elderly Polish person comes to live here with their relatives and needs health checks the state will support this.

if they need the state to help them, then forget entry.

osiol 55 | 3,921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #78
Perhaps our own scroungers are requiring dealt with first

You should see the street I live in.
No Poles. All British.
But many recipients of the fruits of my labour (deserving and undeserving).
gavin79 3 | 72  
6 Sep 2007 /  #79
Well said tornado, I cant help but agree with you on that point
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #80
I am saying that if a Polish person comes here with their children and the children are in education, then the state are supporting them surely ?
That if an elderly Polish person comes to live here with their relatives and needs health checks the state will support this.

your taking very extreme examples, i'm not sure what your trying to prove by doing so, if people are brought into the country and then later on need support then i guess fair enough they deserve government aid. However if that is the case before they come here then again no don't let them in if they are not self-dependent.

You should see the street I live in.
No Poles. All British.
But many recipients of the fruits of my labour (deserving and undeserving).

Your in Britain they are British, there is no problem with that. If i were in Poland i would expect the same :)
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #81
hang on just a second, they are British, this is Britain of course they can be government funded, its an advantage you get when your a British Citizen.

Ah, no, no, no! Of course we should support those who truly need it but those who are cheating the system??? Why should I pay what I do in tax every month to support people who could actually be working and paying tax and therefore reducing my contributions and allowing me to have just that little bit extra each month???
osiol 55 | 3,921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #82
I love to work really hard every day for not very much money so Mr. Smith over the road can sit on his fat lazy arse and **** his ***** of a **** and make more ****ing ******* *********s to harass me at the local shops.
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #83
Ah, no, no, no! Of course we should support those who truly need it but those who are cheating the system??? Why should I pay what I do in tax every month to support people who could actually be working and paying tax and therefore reducing my contributions and allowing me to have just that little bit extra each month???

of course we need to root our the cheats of the system and put them to work or even if called for lock them up. Of course this depends on the seriousness of the offense

I love to work really hard every day for not very much money so Mr. Smith over the road can sit on his fat lazy arse and **** his ***** of a **** and make more ****ing ******* *********s to harass me at the local shops.

i'm afraid donkey, that is life, if you don't like it then i'm sure you can go back to Poland and work and let those people you mentioned do the same in Poland.

I'm sorry i have no sympathy with those who come to the country and then complain :) If people don't like it they can always go back home :) its easy
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #84
of course we need to root our the cheats of the system and put them to work or even if called for lock them up. Of course this depends on the seriousness of the offense

Benefit cheats are stealing out my wages every month! And every other honest tax payer! That's serious enough!
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #85
your taking very extreme examples,

Its an everyday example.

what your trying to prove by doing so,

Having a discussion. Offering a different opinion. Debating the issues you raise and questioning them.

Of course i invite your views on my comments as always :)

tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #86
Benefit cheats are stealing out my wages every month! And every other honest tax payer! That's serious enough!

i know that and i totally agree with hunting them out, so you can put them in prison and take all the money they have to pay it back to the government and therefore the tax payer :)

Its an everyday example.

everyday incidents that could be quashed if my idea of checking etc was implemented, we would have no dependents in this country arriving as such, if somebody falls ill while here then of course they can have care.

I don't write the rules and regulations, i have a lot of ideas and probably could give it a pretty good bash to be honest but i'm not perfect and can't deal with every scenario your going to give me, If the home office can't do it how can you expect me too, how clever do you think i am?? I don't have 1 thousandth of the resources the home office has available to it :)

Having a discussion. Offering a different opinion. Debating the issues you raise and questioning them.

I don't mind this at all, in fact as you said i welcome it, i merely thought you had another agenda than just debating thats all.
osiol 55 | 3,921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #87
One minute it's forgivable - they're British.
Next minute - bang them up in gaol!
Who's allowed to complain?
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #88
we would have no dependents in this country arriving as such,

Children are dependents.
What I am trying to do is to quantify your statements which are broad and all inclusive( or exclusive ). From your statements children, people with health needs and the elderly would be banned from the UK unless they had a sponsor who would underwrite their schooling, healthcare etc

I am sure there is a reciprocal agreement about EU citizens accessing healthcare - I'll need to check.
osiol 55 | 3,921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #89
The Hungarians at work go back to Hungary to see the dentist.
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #90
One minute it's forgivable - they're British.
Next minute - bang them up in gaol!
Who's allowed to complain?

People who are legally allowed to vote in a British Government and nobody else :)

Children are dependents

yes they are but they wouldn't be coming here on their own, i would assume they would have a family

elderly would be banned from the UK unless

How many people who you could consider elderly (60+) suddenly decide to up sticks and move from Poland to England for example??? I'm not sure thats an everyday example

plus i did say before, my statements are from one man not the home office, give me a break its like me against the forum. I don't mind standing my corner but your going to have to accept there is only so much quality that a 22 year old student can give. I'm not a politician and i'm not a world leader, lol :)

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