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PASSPORTS FOR POLISH PEOPLE TO COME TO ENGLAND


PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #31
I think that the UK will end up with them eventually.

I think so too.

Good point, makes me wonder about all the "carers" looking for jobs on this forum from outside the EU.

Well, it is supposed to be getting tighter and I was at a 'meeting' about a month ago regarding this issue but it's still going to take years before every place does Disclosure properly, and for people coming to Scotland to work, Disclosure Scotland is all they need. So if they've been here six months that's all that will show on their Crim Record Check.

assault charges or even anything,

Even saying that you would probably not be offered a position in my place it would still depend on when the assault took place - say you were 16 and got into a teenage fight with another teenager over a girl/boy the powers that are Mightier Than Me would probably over look that, especially if say, ten years had passed with no further convictions.
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #32
What immigration problems ?
Sorry but this doesn't explain anything to me.

i'm sorry, but i'l make a list shall i

1. Fraud, Since the EU started Britain has had a very large number of Eastern European gangs set up specifically for fraud, credit card, identity, money laundering, counter fit (fake) money.

2. People Trafficking, again the exploitation by Europeans of the girls from such countries and Poland, Romania, Bulgaria etc etc from their own countries and ship them over to work in the prostitution population. usually these girls live sad, horrible lives.

3. Drug Trafficking, although it already goes on in the UK since the EU has formed trafficking of illegal drugs has become easier due to the slack immigration checks etc etc.

4. Sexual crime, Since the EU community has come about, crimes of a sexual nature have risen ten fold, this isn't because all of a sudden the UK has gone sex mad but that some people entering the country are committing these crimes.

5. Diseases & Illness, Although this is a little less public knowledge and is not so big a problem it is still a problem, many diseases are brought to this nation are brought in with those who immigrate here.

I could go on and on, it sounds general but i'm sure you'll agree these things happen and if you don't then your blinded by the PC population :)

Even saying that you would probably not be offered a position in my place it would still depend on when the assault took place - say you were 16 and got into a teenage fight with another teenager over a girl/boy the powers that are Mightier Than Me would probably over look that, especially if say, ten years had passed with no further convictions.

I understand and here what you are saying dolly, i'm just making the point that we can afford to be much harsher on who we let enter the United Kingdom. We should not open our doors to all who wish to come into this country. Immigration is not a bad thing at all and i would never say that, however we can get rid of the negative affects with some effort and realisation of situations

Quoting: Wroclaw
I think that the UK will end up with them eventually.

I think so too.

i will third that, i think the UK will have identity cards within five or six years and they will be compulsory for both British Nationals and anybody else who is residing in the UK
szkotja2007 27 | 1498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #33
Well, it is supposed to be getting tighter

The Glasgow incident has moved things on a bit.

the powers that are Mightier Than Me would probably over look that,

I don't know that they would- too risky. Even road traffic offences show up on a SCRO/Disclosure check, in fact even if you were not convicted its still on your SCRO.

i'm sure you'll agree these things happen and if you don't then your blinded by the PC population

I dont agree and I wouldn't say I am blinded.

still a problem

How so?

many diseases are brought to this nation

Sickle cell anaemia perhaps.

So since this is a Polish forum, what diseases are the Polish immigrants taking with them?
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #34
I dont agree and I wouldn't say I am blinded.

you don't agree, why?? your trying to tell me there is no relation between the EU forming and Crime rates in the country?? or that Immigrants do not commit serious crime in this country??

How so?

i've given you plenty of examples and haven't touched on terrorism, wage cuts, over crowding and so on :)

So since this is a Polish forum, what diseases are the Polish immigrants taking with them?

its not the type of disease its the fact we let people with diseases into the country, it does not benefit the UK to have these people or diseases brought into the nation.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #35
I don't know that they would- too risky. Even road traffic offences show up on a SCRO/Disclosure check, in fact even if you were not convicted its still on your SCRO.

I don't know. I think if a person applied to my place with say, five years of excellent experience in our field and had, ten years ago been involved in a brawl and nothing since, they'd get the job. My directors would be accountable for hiring them but you should be allowed to put something that happened once, a decade ago, behind you. For example of course. There are many different scenarios.

The Glasgow incident has moved things on a bit.

Well, let us hope so!
osiol 55 | 3921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #36
Even road traffic offences

Oh no! Like when a copper caught me cycling on a pavement aged 12?

(I was 12, not the pavement - that was at least 14)
PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #37
Oh no! Like when a copper caught me cycling on a pavement aged 12?

Criminal!

Actually in thinking about Road Traffic Offences, a speeding fine will not always show up on your Crim Check. Drink driving etc, obviously will.
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #38
Oh no! Like when a copper caught me cycling on a pavement aged 12?

(I was 12, not the pavement - that was at least 14)

i understand your point but in all seriousness i think we know what is serious and what isn't what i'm trying to say is we should not be allowing people who don't benefit or can have a positive affect on the UK in. Its simple and in itself is a way to control immigration, not just inside the EU but worldwide.
gavin79 3 | 72  
6 Sep 2007 /  #39
But criminal checks take so long to do, it would be impossible to do it for everyone entering the UK... I wish it was that simple
PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #40
But criminal checks take so long to do, it would be impossible to do it for everyone entering the UK

Absolutely. Therefore, ID cards in the EU at least, that held your criminal record would be beneficial.
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #41
But criminal checks take so long to do, it would be impossible to do it for everyone entering the UK... I wish it was that simple

no its pretty simple actually to avoid the effects of time and how long it would take.

If you want to come to the UK you have to apply three months in advance of your arrival, therfore giving the UK immigration services enough time to check your finer details and make a decision on whether you can enter or not :) simple but effective
szkotja2007 27 | 1498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #42
you don't agree, why??

I would say its symptomatic of globalisation rather than simply the EU. Outside the EU all developed countries have these problems

its not the type of disease its the fact we let people with diseases into the country

So a Polish person who had a history of Mental illness any recurring physical ill health or any such related problem should not be let in to the U.K.?

The point I am making is that these topics are quite deep and take a bit of thought.
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #43
So a Polish person who had a history of Mental illness any recurring physical ill health or any such related problem should not be let in to the U.K.?
The point I am making is that these topics are quite deep and take a bit of thought.

to be honest and frank, no, what use are they to the UK, if they are paying for treatment then fair enough let them come in and have their treatment but if not then, sorry your staying in Poland or wherever your from.

I would say its symptomatic of globalisation rather than simply the EU. Outside the EU all developed countries have these problems

i did say its not just the EU i'm talking about its the immigration overall which includes the world.
Ranj 21 | 947  
6 Sep 2007 /  #44
But criminal checks take so long to do, it would be impossible to do it for everyone entering the UK... I wish it was that simple

In the US, the burden is placed on the applicant to provide police certificates from everywhere they have lived.....if they don't provide them, they don't even get past the interview process.
szkotja2007 27 | 1498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #46
what use are they to the UK,

I have seen a Polish guy in his twenties,going about in a wheelchair, doesn't look like he is working but his girlfriend looks after him and she does. I dont know if he was in a wheelchair when he got here. What do you think? Send him back?
osiol 55 | 3921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #47
Emplyment agencies may be happy to employ ex-cons and the like. It fills their books.
Companies that use these agencies will assume any checks have been done
unless it is in sensitive areas such as working with children.
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #48
I have seen a Polish guy in his twenties,going about in a wheelchair, doesn't look like he is working but his girlfriend looks after him and she does. I dont know if he was in a wheelchair when he got here. What do you think? Send him back?

no of course not, you can admit people who are handicapped but still able to work, i'm not a total dead head, i have members of my family who have disabilities so i don't need my heart strings pulled :)
PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #49
In the US, the burden is placed on the applicant to provide police certificates from everywhere they have lived.....if they don't provide them, they don't even get past the interview process.

It's not like that here but it should be.
gavin79 3 | 72  
6 Sep 2007 /  #50
sensitive areas such as working with children.

Any job that includes working with children should include there own checks and not rely on that of a third party, no person should be offered a job until these checks are carried out, this happens far to often in the UK, What is poland like for its screening process ???
osiol 55 | 3921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #51
I work with shrubs.
Shrub molestation is not a criminal offence
unless it occurs in public.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #52
Emplyment agencies may be happy to employ ex-cons and the like

Depends on what they are employing for. Certain Employment agencies won't give you an interview without a Disclosure at least (mostly agencies in the care field - in Scotland anyway).
osiol 55 | 3921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #53
(mostly agencies in the care field - in Scotland anyway).

Good. Because in the manual labour end of the spectrum, I've worked with some dodgy people.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #54
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Depends what kind of 'manual labour' you are talking about.
szkotja2007 27 | 1498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #55
you can admit people who are handicapped but still able to work

doesn't look like he is working

Send him back then ?
osiol 55 | 3921  
6 Sep 2007 /  #56
Depends what kind of 'manual labour' you are talking about

Horticultural manual labour is fairly low on the scale of delicacy and prestige.
One or two people I have worked with have been in prison in the past.
One had very little in the way of teeth...

Mostly they are good, honest people, but it makes you wonder.
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #57
Send him back then ?

its not about the people who are here, its about the ones who are not yet 'potentially' here. If they are not coming to work or benefit the UK then 'no entry' sorry thats the line, if somebody is injured or becomes un able to work while they are here then of course they can stay, if we sent them back we would be as bad as the Nazi's.

No need to play the guilt trip on me, it won't work, the people most cynical of the disabled are the disabled themselves :)
PolskaDoll 28 | 2098  
6 Sep 2007 /  #58
Horticultural manual labour is fairly low on the scale of delicacy and prestige.
One or two people I have worked with have been in prison in the past.
One had very little in the way of teeth...

Mostly they are good, honest people, but it makes you wonder.

Please do not take me the wrong way here Donkey...there's a great difference in trusting people to work with plants and trusting them to work with sick/dying/elderly/children/disabled/mentally handicapped people.
szkotja2007 27 | 1498  
6 Sep 2007 /  #59
No need to play the guilt trip on me

Why should anybody feel guilty talking about people with disabilities ?

If they are not coming to work or benefit the UK

Heaps of people I know from Poland are taking over their relatives, mothers, fathers, children, not all working, just immigrating.
tornado2007 11 | 2270  
6 Sep 2007 /  #60
there's a great difference in trusting people to work with plants and trusting them to work with sick/dying/elderly/children/disabled/menatally handicapped people.

thats why we need to vet people prior to entry, it saves the vetting at a later stage and therefore cuts down on schoolboy errors, a horrifying example of poor background checking is the Holly Wells and Jessica Chatman murders. Ian Huntley was allowed to work at a school and he had previous!!!!!

he is a Brit we have enough giong on without having to worry about immigrants who come here to work, these vetting and detailed checks before entry are vital in my opinion.

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