It will cause hostility in Poland against you, just like there is hostility against Poles in Britain
becoming a member of the eu gives different opportunities to different nations... with these opportunities may come fortune... or hostility... its just one of these things... its got to work both ways... cake... eat it too... spring to mind...
I don't think poles would not take too kind seeing people from england cashing in at there expense. I think poles prefer doing business with there own kind and not with opportunist from wealthier countries
do you really think poles are in the position to comment on opportunists going to other countries to better their lives... if so... thats a little bit rich... no...?
This is pure speculation........so its ok for 1 million Polish people going to work and make their fortunes in the EU but not for other EU members be allowed to buy and improve property in Poland...utter hypocrisy.....and unsustainable!!
I'd much prefer this thread to stay on song...ie purely about buying/selling, details/experiences etc........!!
I don't think poles would not take too kind seeing people from england cashing in at there expense. I think poles prefer doing business with there own kind and not with opportunist from wealthier countries
I don't agree with this statement . We are in EU and we have open market. Frank is right, is it ok for Polish to work and buy properties in UK but not for English to do it in Poland????????
We were before for so long "closed country" that some English living in Poland will bring only benefits.
What about those English (/French) like me who have Polish spouses and are going to go and actually live in Poland? The whole damn point of the EU is free movement of labour and money.
"It will cause hostility in Poland against you, just like there is hostility against Poles in Britain. So beware and dont tell me I didnt warn you. " Ola
Absolute bullsh@t. I've been backwards and forwards to Poland many, many times over the last 5/6 years and have never encountered anything such as you mention.
Jesus, I go, when I'm there to watch Arka Gydnia with my brother in law and we are always let in FREE and then I'm always taken into the "hools" section where they ply me with beer and vodka and shout "CHELSEA" at me.
The Poles are always friendly mabye being surrounded by a phalanx of skinheads encourages this behaviour, but I think it is just genuining friendliness.
Right back onto the subject of property. With reference to my Poliski buddies in UK all of them are saving up to buy properties in Poland. I know several that have taken loans in the UK brought their flats back home and are continuing to work in the UK to pay of said loans. Pretty smart thinking given the rate Polish property is going up. I also know of many Polish students who are taking a year off to come to the UK to earn cash to finance their MA's or MBA's. Again smart thinking.
People seem to only mention the Polish/English/Irish experience. What about those Poles in Scandanavia and France and Germany? They are there and getting on with it.
I think for foreigners the biggest sticking point is land. Firstly buying property is not too much of a problem for non-poles. But buying land you can definately get stiched up, especially regarding building permission. I've witnessed a distressed German actually dismantling his wooden holiday hut near Dembki, whilst this Polish wide-boy tried to convince us to buy a plot of land right next to it. Needless to say we didn't go for it.
There's an immediate give away if the seller is young, driving an older BMW wearing a leather jacket and tracksuit bottoms...(no stereotype honest). There are conmen out there but hey at least its not Russia.
Finally if you are ripped off and turned over in Poland there are people who can recover these debts. Its difficult to argue with a Glock:)
This is pure speculation........so its ok for 1 million Polish people going to work and make their fortunes in the EU but not for other EU members be allowed to buy and improve property in Poland...utter hypocrisy.....and unsustainable!!
lol...the poles have been getting the crumbs from the floor, the foreign nations just rake up the dollars. The poles have made limited amount of money working in UK/USA, but they have always been exploited, most have done jobs that nobody else wants to do, and paid less.
I'm not having a go at poles returning to poland with non polish partners. Just the multi nationals and foreign speculators
I don't agree with this statement . We are in EU and we have open market. Frank is right, is it ok for Polish to work and buy properties in UK but not for English to do it in Poland????????
We were before for so long "closed country" that some English living in Poland will bring only benefits.
You may speak for the 2 million who are trying to feather there own nest working overseas, I wonder what the other 36 million people have to say on this matter, the ones who are having it tough in poland.
They will bring benefits alright, yes, higher house prices and living expenses.
Wonder how much a residence around 1800sqm costs? Preferably near a lake...
The poles have made limited amount of money working in UK/USA, but they have always been exploited, most have done jobs that nobody else wants to do, and paid less.
Not from my experience. Quite the opposite, actually... Gotta love Capitalism :)
You may speak for the 2 million who are trying to feather there own nest working overseas, I wonder what the other 36 million people have to say on this matter, the ones who are having it tough in poland.
They will bring benefits alright, yes, higher house prices and living expenses.
You don't even live in Poland so why is your concern???????
There will never be lots English people in Poland i don't think we are attractive enough so I don't see the problem.
What about 70-80 in Poland? Polish working in USA doing **** jobs buying houses in Poland and playing big "businessmen"- as value of PLN was so law.
What about the rest of polish working in Poland and earning so little?
I think lef that you would like Poland to be old fashion, backwards, poor...so you could feel superior towards.
I think lef that you would like Poland to be old fashion, backwards, poor...so you could feel superior to wards.
Sorry ivona, I would be proud to be only equal, my concern is for the vast majority of polish people who have no control about what is going on in Poland today, like I mentioned in a previous post the poor couple who now cannot make ends meet due to increases in gas/electricity/water as shown on polish tv.
I don't live in poland, sure, but I have a lot of empathy for the polish and this you can't take away form me.
Hang on folks..... wooaaahhh der. We live in a capitalist world, we are subject to the controls and restraints of private capital, which controls government and therefore dictates national and international policys of individual governments worldwide.
Poland is emerging into a new era, where before it was within the restraints of a socialist/communist doctrine. Mythical ideologies that masked control of the masses by the few. Just like the USA. The late 1980's watershed of communist collapse actually hearlded the first chance at true democratic redevelopment since 1918.
The USA,who is the world OBERFURHER dictates economic development throughout the world, although obviously Europe and China have their own visions. Poland who early on after 1988 was smart enough not to accept major IMF restructuring loans and Worldbank assistance, has progressed in relative terms better than its other Eastern European counter parts through following the European model of capitalist development. At present it is the power of the people specdifically those who have moved abroad to earn dollars, Euro's or Pounds that have put much of their capital back into the motherland.
So it is inpart gratis to the polish expats that Poland has become a Baltic tiger, despite obviously having some major financial input from the States and the EU.
Foreign investors do to some extent push up basic housing stock prices, however, much investment is actually Polish, though perhaps disguised through non-Polish companies.
Poland is deliberately being drag rapidly upto economic speed by the EU because sick financial partners make no sense for the economic fortress Europe.
Finally Poland has many advantages that we as so called civilized Westerners do not see, namely that Poland is not yet a colonial outpost of the USA.
Infact the powerhouse of the EU, with its German/French model of social and economic development is bringinginto the fold a potentially explosive land mass, remember Poland the bread basket of Europe. An educated work forced and a country with a sense of self.
If we look at the development of other (catholic) EU countries i.e Portugal and Ireland it is impossible to ignore their progress from relatively underdeveloped markets to self sustaining and ultimately profitable state enterprises.
The masses worldwide are generally ignorant of how the system works, which is fair enough given the lies, propaganda and subjective history we are constanly exposed to.
People concern themselves with notions of political allegiance, or racialist ideologies or religious philosophies, which all mask the truth.
The truth is relatively simple.
There are the rich ruling classes/clans/families. There are the workers. Namely most who visit this website. And there is the untermensch.
Poland's untermensch is in world terms relatively small. Poland is though very much a country of the worker. And this shall be eternal, just like the USA or the UK or where ever.
Despite the depressing truth that we are wage slaves , i.e work or starve. Poland's future is bright and the reasons in my humble opinion are thus.
Poland is united through religion, so therefore difficult for government/big buisness to exploit sectarian violence.
Poland is a homogeneous country 99% caucasian, therefore difficult to exploit racist division.
Poland is now within the EU so is protected to some extent from US economic hedgemony.
Poland has as a infamous man once said Leibensraum..living space so the "rats crushed together concept" of the UK is also difficult to exploit.
All these advantages means the People though subject to monkeys in government have a degree of freedom from fear that the rest of Europe doesn't. This "freedom" from oppressive law, order and "homeland" security gives the average Pole a little extra interms of potential development.
Here is an irony which many will disagree with. But corruption specifically on the micro-level although obviously harmful to some, actually gives others the chance to accelerate themselves up the social and economic ladder. These are the people who have a chance if they actually make it to the upper escheleons to change things. But the majority once up theri in the clouds of riches join the rich class, they forget their humble roots.
Poland is deliberately ridculed by other powers, the racists slurs and jokes abound because the powers that be need to rubbish Poland, they need to defame it.
Why, because Poland has a chance at developing into an alternative model for European progression.
Mabye not now, but within the next 30 to 50 years.
So to conclude, why invest in Polska. Because the futures bright, the futures orange.:)
(Finally I realsie this may not be the most comprehensive diatribe I could produce on the STATE OF MAN TODAY. But I done it within the last 45 minutes so allow me room for error.
"Wonder how much a residence around 1800sqm costs? Preferably near a lake.." Quote Roz.
Answer. Alot. best to buy the land and build it yourself.
namely that Poland is not yet a colonial outpost of the USA.
Emmmmm.........are you sure.........and is France one also?.....:)
Portugal and Ireland it is impossible to ignore their progress from relatively underdeveloped markets to self sustaining and ultimately profitable state enterprises.
Portugal...aint no celtic tiger...maybe, a bit of a celtic kitten...with a limp!
But lots on there make sesne.....its up to the Polish people to grasp the opportunity...learn to play the game, make alliances...take risks..... good luck!
Wonder how much a residence around 1800sqm costs? Preferably near a lake...
ive just turned down a very tempting property in osowa - twenty mins to the city - twenty mins to the airport and sitting on the edge of the nearest lake to the tri-city...
... the package is 29OO sqm and has three/four properties on it... all in need of substandtial renovation but once finished would be absolutely beautiful buildings in a beautiful setting in a very good location... 375K zl...
obviously you could split up and sell the land, additional properties and renovate just one for yourself...
Bubba have you visited Dembki on the coast about 20 minutes from Wejherowo. Lovely as yet not overdeveloped or spolit Polish seaside retreat. If you can buy anything there you'll do well.
Our friend open a hotel this summer an in 3 months made £10,000 not bad.
The best bit about the whole thing is his father knew the previous owner who sadly drank away all his cash and brought the property for 400,000 zl !!!!! (cash). No his son our mate is laughing.
no i havent and agree that it would be great to get land / property up there... but the prices a getting steep and im wondering if there are other places - karwina ? - which will be just as nice but offer a better deal...
also looking to the east of gdansk going along the coast that way - theres a 1712 windmill on offer in a place called stegna which ive got my eye on... its currently a bar and i am wondering if i can do a similar thing to your mate with the hotel over the summer...
you all are bunch of roaches.... it is one thing to purchase property in Poland or anywhere else in the world because you fell in love with country and peaople that live there and you want to live and work there too and totally another, taking advantage of the poor people and buying cheap and selling high making yourself rich but not giving anything back. you should be ashame of yourselfs, I need to take a shower after reading this chat...
Make it a cold one...............misspoland....lol
Reality check here........anyone talking about buying has either been to Poland a number of times, just moved there or are activley making a living there.........making a difference, adding to the economy, providing work, improving things in the long run.
The same can say teacher or nurse in UK - living i London where prices are "ENORMOUS" also growing up because of foreign investments ( Russians one of them).
it is the pity that noone here invests in Krakow area....
"you all are bunch of roaches.... it is one thing to purchase property in Poland or anywhere else in the world because you fell in love with country and peaople that live there and you want to live and work there too and totally another,"
What planet are you from? You attack individuals who are trying to better there and those of their kin. if you want to protest go stand out side the US embassy.
Or write to Nike about exploiting child labour. Or protest at your governments ineptitude and corruption. As for not living in Poland, most of us here do and YOU TOTAL MORON WE PAY TAXES ON ALL THIS PROPERTY. Taxes which your government spends on itself.
Moron go get an education. Whether you like it of not we live in a capitalist world and in the real world missy its dog eat dog.
I suppose Poland was for so long "closed"country that it takes time for some people to accept that therer will be more and more investors from west europe here.
it is the pity that noone here invests in Krakow area....
i would love to invest in krakow - infact my first polish propert was in ruzjia - just by the university / motorola building / PJP2 library... a really good investment... until the city council decided that perhaps it could get more for the land than they had sold it for so pulled the deal... wasted my time, money and effort... cheers guys...
and now i work in the tri city...
and i think people are rude because of the flak we get from some for buying polish property...
i have polish friends in the tri city - thats the main reason i am buying there... plus i like the place... i do like to be beside the seaside... i do like to be beside the sea... tiddlyompompom... :)
Question for those of you who have purchased property in Poland. My friend is hoping to buy an apartment in Poland. He has done all his homework, but now comes the issue of how to pay for the property.
He has cash, how does he arrange to get this transfered over into Polish Zloty, and where can he get the best rate??? Any suggestions??
