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Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland?


Ironside 49 | 10,462  
15 May 2009 /  #121
You are like a black hole of insanity - you suck in all common sense and logic and exterminate it.

good1 lol
Borrka 37 | 594  
15 May 2009 /  #122
Was that Gaeilge ?
Whatever ...
I have to start my next business trip now.
Have a nice weekend in your East-European matrix, dannyboy.
I'm sure you are already missing my contribution to the board.
But don't worry - I'll be back soon...
dannyboy 18 | 248  
15 May 2009 /  #123
Was that Gaeilge ?

Shea, Is ea e Gaeilge, ana mhaith ar fad.
An dtuigeann tu Gaeilge freisin?

Very good Borrka, enjoy your trip.
While you are away, you should think about these statements and then we will have a proper discussion when you return instead of bickering.

I think on the surface, Russians and Poles probably seem similar much like German and Dutch, but underneath, there is a world of difference.

Nathan 18 | 1,363  
15 May 2009 /  #124
I wouldn't argue with you because I have no time for filling the knowledge and understanding of cultures you have no idea of. Meet people, talk to them, read news, statistics, history, anthropology and most important - live with these people for awhile - only then you will have idea of mentality and huge differences in psychos of Ukrainians, Baltic nations and Russians. Until then you are like a puffer mushroom, making senseless smoke of spores. Trust me - you have no idea.

I'm never claimed to be an expert on Eastern Europe, and I didn't study EE politics or history in University, my degree is in Computer Science, not EE Studies

Exactly! But it is useful to expand one's knowledge a bit sometimes :). I know nothing even of a keyboard - therefore, you won't see me claiming that keyboard is somehow similar to CPU in function and form or that monitor makes the calculations through the harddrive etc. Talk of what you know, not what you like to know, but don't. :)
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
15 May 2009 /  #125
I wouldn't argue with you because I have no time for filling the knowledge and understanding of cultures you have no idea of..

Anatoly, I think you have never had a time to fill your own head with any reliable knowledge, but it's never too late for reconsideration.

Meet people, talk to them, read news, statistics, history, anthropology and most important - live with these people for awhile

This goes for you, bud as you seem to suffer tough shortage of communication with normal people, or elsewise I don't know how to explain your misery and hatemongership (as contrary to friednship).

You fled to Canada too early... not even troubled yourself to see the world around you as was (is).

Until then you are like a puffer mushroom, making senseless smoke of spores

However I cherish a little hope you will ever have capacity enough to grasp, that poor creatures like you knowing only how to stir things up are still alive thanks to people like Dan, who realizes that the only key for peaceful coexistence is an open mind. That's ironically but people like Stalin who you bash and Ukrainian fascists (old and fresh ones) who you always keep cover for originate from nat's (a collective term here) brainchildren.

Trust me - you have no idea.

Is it UNA-UNSO.UA for that people should trust you? :))
Ironside 49 | 10,462  
15 May 2009 /  #126
Talk of what you know, not what you like to know, but don't. :)

He is only expressing his opinion based on personal experience - and never claimed to be an expert.
If people were talking only about something they know, there'll be nothing but silence.
dannyboy 18 | 248  
15 May 2009 /  #127
Nathan,
If you have read my previous posts, you would understand that this is precisely what my accounts are based on.
I have been to Lithuania numerous times, I have many Lithuanian and Latvian friends and a few Estonian ones. I have friends from Belarus, from Ukraine & used to be friendly with many Georgians, although I find them hard work.

I work with Slovakians, Hungarians, Romanians.

My partner is Russian, her family are from Smolensk, however she grew up in Lithuania.
Russia is too vast to understand the country, however, I understand Poland and Lithuania and I understand the mentality of the people.
Last summer, I rented a car in Kaunas and drove across the whole of Lithuania and into other countries. It was an excellent experience.
I have been to Russian nightclubs in Lithuania such as "Metelica", I never saw anything like this in Poland (although I did see a few Irish pubs)

Kaunas is the most Lithuanian city, with the smallest percentage of Russian people.
Its also probably the most hostile city in Lithuania.
People from other cities are far more friendly.
In my house, we have Russian Satellite Television, which also carries Polish and Lithuanian channels.
I'm not sure how many Eastern European citizens you have in Canada, but I can assure you, we have many different cultures and nationalities here in Ireland.

Of course, it was a big shock for me to see the truth about Lithuania, as I had heard such wild lies from the Polish. They Polish seem to think they are 'untermensch'.

Later, I learned that the Poles seem to think everyone is 'untermensch', LOL.

In truth, my Irish friends are those I know from childhood.
Otherwise, all of the people I met on a daily basis are immigrants, including my partner and my best friends (1 from Warsaw, 1 from Klaipeda).

I imagine its very difficult to understand if you've never been to this country, but I guess you could equate it to New York........a melting pot.

Its not as easy for other Irish people as it is for me, this is because I love to learn languages, so I speak some Russian and some Polish, and small bits of other languages.

The only languages you actually need to know are Russian and English.
I wouldn't have wasted my time learning Polish in the past if I had understood the importance and usefulness of Russian.
But it is also useful to know what Poles are saying about you and you get better service from Polish women when they hear you speak Polish (not so true with the men, who sometimes find it intimidating, as they have lost their advantage, however, the men always appreciate my size and my strength and ask me what do I think of Mariusz Pudzianowski, and some of the men find it amusing to hear an Irishman speak Polish - most usually ask what city I am from in Poland, HAHAHA)

The picture is something like this - the citizens of former soviet countries stick together, Russians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Ukranians and even the Georgians (many have Lithuanian passports) because many can speak Russian, frequently, many of them have a Russian grandfather or grandmother. They also mix with Irish. Hungarians and Romanians also mix with these groups.

The Western European nations like Spain, France, Italy stick together. And of course they mix with Irish. Sometimes they mix with other groups, but much less so.

The Poles mix with nobody except the Irish.
The Russians don't like to mix with them, the Lithuanians don't like to mix with them.........generally it is only the Irish who mix with them.

Its not the rule in all cases, but it is the rule in the majority of cases.

The Poles are like the outsiders in this society in a sense. The difference is that there are so many Poles here, it doesn't really matter, because a Pole can go through a whole day here not needing to speak English.

e.g. Go to a polish shop, go to the gym with Polish friends, speak Polish with friends at work, girl in shopping centre and Petrol station will be Polish, we even have a few Polish Police now.

I do my best to change this, I am friends with both Poles and former Soviets, so I always introduce them to each other at the gym and we train together.

Once people sweat and experience pain together, they are less suspicious of each other.
Both sides have they pre-conceptions about the other, but they always throw them in the bin quickly once they met people and speak with them.

Most people are good if you give them a chance.

Exactly! But it is useful to expand one's knowledge a bit sometimes :)

Not holdng a certificate, nor have an expert qualification does not exclude one from participating in a subject.
Otherwise,.............. how would would one become an expert? ;-)

I'm more than comfortable to share my opinions and experiences, regardless of what you say, as I believe I have far more realistic impression of the reality of the situation than you have.

I have been free to form impressions and understand the truth, without any emotional or nationalist attachment.
Borrka 37 | 594  
19 May 2009 /  #128
Dannyboy, I gave you already some arguments for North-Germans and Dutchies being much closer than Polish and Ruskies:
I repeat - religion, language, protestant values they share, historical experience .
But you ignore that.

Once again - don't you understand that different religions are changing mentality of their followers ?
Catholicism is more universal, on the contrary Orthodoxy is a typical state controlled religion promoting state loyal attitude.
Moreover, the Polish Catholic Church was hardly ever reformed, but there was "roskol" in the ROC in order to make it even more to state monopoly.

Poles and Russians speak languages which are more differentiated than Dutch and Platt, they use even different alphabets.
Frankly I don't believe your linguistic skills are good enough to compare Slavic languages.
Maybe I'm wrong in your case but I've never met an English native speaker being able to speak proper Polish or Russian (with exception of Polish or Russian kids born in the US or UK) .

As for common values - Sorry but I don't see any specific values being common for Russians and Poles only.

It's historical experience which made us to very different ethnoses.
To make it short .
Russians are still dreaming their imperial dream of ruling other nations.
They consider the former Soviet republics part of Russia's fair sphere of influence and are going to impose their values there .

Polish mentality still suffers the eternal freedom fighters' syndrome what was our sad experience in the past 300 years.

Both is madness pure lol.

So tell me now what do we (Poles) have in common with Russians ?
But no BS like "Slavic soul" and no genetics pls.

Talking about similarities among East-European:
Despite of our tragic past I think Ukrainians and Poles are most similar ethnoses .
Probably some Poles and some Ukrainians will disagree but it's my point of view.
You are obviously overestimating pro Russian feelings of "Eastern Ukraine". I don't want speak for Ukrainians but in my opinion they are on average neither anti-Russian nor Russophilic.

They are just pro-Ukrainian.
That simple.

Estonians are similar to Finns.
Even by language.
Lithuanians are closer to Poles with exception for their language (however it's the same Balto-Slavonic group).
It's because of the Catholic religion and our common past.
Latvians are close to ... Martians.
I'm joking only but they are similar to Latvians only lol.
The only similarity to Russians in the Baltics are typically post-Soviet economic and social relations.
Crow 139 | 8,280  
19 May 2009 /  #129
Catholicism is more universal, on the contrary Orthodoxy is a typical state controlled religion promoting state loyal attitude.

what you say dobri brate Borrka?

you can`t be serious. Borka Pan you maybe suggest that you have more chances to drink with some Catholic German then with me who are St. Sava`s Orthodox and plus worship SLAVA.

You suggest that Catholic German who is same as any Protestant German, in general just former Slav (particulary Northern Serb), care for universalism when deal with Catholic Pole. Catholic German can give only one chance to Catholic Pole > chance to acccept germanization or to be elliminated. That`s your chances with universal Catholic Germans. My grandmother is more universal then any Catholic German. Old lady can drunk with your grandmother better then any Catholic old lady from Germany.

secund. Orthodox Church in Serbia has nothing with ruling establishment in Serbia. Official Serbian state is now, same as official Poland loyal to Germany. But you see, Serbian Orthodox Church don`t follow policy of pro-German Serbian governmant. Our Church is, to say that way, more loyal to people then to state.

Also, Serbian Orthodox Church was that force which encouraged our people to stay loyal to Poland, no matter that Poles are mostly Catholics. Polish and Serbian medieval nobility intermeried by the bless of Serbian Orthodox Church (example- Polish Jadwiga is of Serbian origin). Or take example of campaigns of Serbian light cavalry who were known as Racowie in Hungary and Poland. All was by the bless of Serbian Orthodox Church. Numerous antic and medieval codes of laws, books... which were [first translated in Serbia from Latin and Greek, then in other Slavic countries!] was translated in Polish and Russian and delivered to Poles/Russians by the representatives of Serbian Orthodox Church or by nobility- again by the bless of our Church.

I can remind myself that my priest once told me that Poland is great Slavic nation. My priest told me that Catholic Church in Poland played always important role in Pollish national uprising, that Catholic Church in Poland always regarded Polish national identity and that it is completely different situation with Catholic Poles then with Catholic Croats (i had few questions for my spiritual father).

Fact that Serbian Orthodox Church ignored `fact` that Poles are Catholics presented great level of universalism. Whenever Serbs gave a lot of to Poles, Poles gave a lot of to Serbs. Whenever some Pole betrayed Serbs, he was regularely traitor of Poles, too.
Borrka 37 | 594  
19 May 2009 /  #130
Orthodox Church in Serbia has nothing with ruling establishment in Serbia

Crow, my friend... my mistake.
I should have said my posting refers to the Russian Orthodox Church only which was always a political tool of czars.
Frankly ...I don't know enough about Serbian OC and Serbia in general.
But it's going to be changed soon - I'm just reading an interesting book about Balkan Slavonic nations, their history and traditions.

As for drinking with Germans the only problem I have is a dangerous possibility to get a beer belly.
They drink too much beer and as a Slavic person I prefer beer and vodka with preference for hard liquor.
You know there is a Russian saying "Pivo bez vodki, dengi na veter lol."
Smart !
Crow 139 | 8,280  
19 May 2009 /  #131
Russian Orthodox Church only which was always a political tool of czars

yes, it was so often on Slavic west, unfortunately. ROC failed there.

On Slavic South, where Ottoman Turks invaded, ROC played positive role. But look, Polish Catholics same as Russian Orthodox saved us. In fact, let`s be realistic, it was Slavija in Poles and in Russians that saved us. Here, Slavija was key for both- Poles and Russians.

BDW, Pan Borrka! Pan-Serbian initiative already made steps in order to weaken negative effects of ROC interests on Slavic west and redirect it in dirrection which would serve to our mutual interests- to complete Slavija. Main goal of Balkan and Lusatian Serbs is to coordinate in liberation, to repel invasion of Germanic and Islamic foes, to annul historical pressure on Serbian lands as first line of Slavic world on our western and southern borders. Serbs (Balkan and Lusatian) seek for help from both- Polish Catholics and Russian Orthodox. Our first goal is creation of independent Lusatian state and liberation of Kosovo-Metohija.

Serbian (Balkan Orthodox Serbs) inteligentsia already taking steps to promote interests of Lusatians in circles of Russian Orthodox Church. It is suggested that ROC promote its tolerance and solidarity with Catholic and Protestant Slavs (without any conditions- simple over pure Christian solidarity and slavophilia) by helping to Catholic and Protestant Lusatian Serbs.

Serbian inteligentsia also made steps in order to permanently penetrete idea of Lusatian liberation in Serbian (Balkan) academic and political circles. Pan-Serbian circles are alarmed and called to help (numerous Slavs who have Serbian blood- from centuries of Serbian refuges in other Slavic countries/example- Racowie`s origin) in Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Czeska, Slovakia and Lithuania.

Christian Slavija shall prevail, not Eurabia. Serbians preparing large scale respond.

Bottom line is (to give you picture)- when dust settle down, after respond on this old/new `Drang Nach Osten`, i don`t see space for German state on map of Europe, so Poland would obviously expand.

But, Poland wouldn`t be border country of Slavic world anymore Would be, to say that way, deeper `in Slavic inland`, if you understand me.... some other slavic countries needs to be ctreated and liberated.

One of last gifts of Yugoslavia to Slavic world was Rastko Project Internet Library (still active thanks to Serbia) which seek to online promote and defend global Slavic interests.

So, i understand why so called west (EU and NATO) with their friends from Islamic league (muja world) hate Serbs that much. Simple, everything what can be saved from Eurabia would be saved. Everything what is Western would be saved inside of borders of Slavic civilization.

Go West! Go to Slavija!
Salomon 2 | 436  
19 May 2009 /  #132
Well Crow maybe you should use soft power. Maybe you should rather go in positive direction in case of east Germany. What I mean ... information, make list of German names with were trasformed from Slavic version ... and inform this people that they weren't assimilated in firiedly way but by force.

All in all Germans want to build Europe of Regions and I see huge space for such iniciative in eastern Germany. Regional identity is stronger and stronger in modern europe. Why not in eastern Germany ? As I've said, everything in positive way using soft power.

aer.eu
Crow 139 | 8,280  
19 May 2009 /  #133
but, while they deal with Slavic south using `soft power` (``learning us democracy and multiculturalism``), they creating hostile narco-Muslim-terrorist states on Balkan, weaken us.

No, Slavija shall respond by strengthening its economy and then opening internet, Radio and TV media that promote truth about violant assimilation of Slavs, that promote Slavic values and freedom.

Then, when so called west start to crumble, one by one new Slavic states needs to be created on liberated Slavic west, east and south. We should once and for all recupirate Slavija.

on the end, as result... We even don`t need neceserely Slavic unity or alliance. What we need is simple- Slavic civilization. Free and green world, world worth of modern man, world worth of living in dignity, hope of woman and man in balance with nature. It would prepare our children for jump into cosmic era.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423  
19 May 2009 /  #134
What's the news on Kosovo Crowie?

When will the Serbs re-conquer it? Any dates yet?

LOL
Crow 139 | 8,280  
19 May 2009 /  #135
Bratwurst Boy

Araber-Euraber

LOL
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423  
19 May 2009 /  #136
Why are you laughing Crowie? The only ones with reason are we!
Till now it's only the Serbs who are the laughing stock of Europe...losing a whole core territory to the arabs, muslims, whatever, leaving it to them just like that, losing it to them, outbred by them!

YOU ARE EURABIA!
Don't dirty whole proud white nations like the Germans or the Poles with your own faults!

You dream of slavicization of Europe but can't even drive your enemies out of your "holy land".
Do you have an idea how ridiculous you are???

LOL

Then, when so called west start to crumble,

ROFL!
Torq 32 | 2,897  
19 May 2009 /  #137
You told the truth. That's not fair.

You can't do that to Crow. You can't blame him for fantasizing about
Slavija, it's his entire life (what else has he got left apart from living
in denial and self-delusion?).

Fuckinhell man, blaming Crow for fantasizing is kinda like playing basketball
with a retarded kid and blaming him for double-dribbling.

Give him a break, will ya?
Crow 139 | 8,280  
19 May 2009 /  #138
YOU ARE EURABIA!

no! there is the difference between you and me, between Serbians and Germans

Serbians resist to Eurabia, Germans spread it

Give him a break, will ya?

yea, give me the coffe break

Torq

are you happy now in your little brain when you openly rediculing all efforts of Jan Sobieski and Wladislav Warnencyk? tell me, will you?

more you are westernized, less you are Western.
Torq 32 | 2,897  
20 May 2009 /  #139
are you happy now in your little brain

It's not my brain that is little, Crow. If you knew history then you would
remember that neither Jan III Sobieski nor Władysław Warneńczyk were
supporters of any kind of "Slavic alliance". Sobieski wanted an alliance with
France and when that failed he allied himself with Leopold I, the Holy Roman
Emperor. Warneńczyk on the other hand was also a king of Hungary (since 1440)
and together with Hungarians he fought the Turks.

I'm not ridiculing the efforts of Jan Sobieski and Władysław Warneńczyk - Poland
remains faithful to their ideals. We didn't let muslims take our heartland, like
Serbia did, so you better clean up your backyard first before you start teaching
others, you self-righteous prick.

more you are westernized, less you are Western.

I'm Polish through and through (which actually makes me a member of Western,
Latin civilization). I'm a Roman Catholic, live on Polish soil, in a country in which
Poles are 96.74% of population. So I repeat again, clean up your own backyard,
Serb, before you come here and start lecturing me.
southern 75 | 7,096  
20 May 2009 /  #140
losing a whole core territory to the arabs, muslims, whatever, leaving it to them just like that, losing it to them, outbred by them!

Yes,but who forced them to lose it?
Crow 139 | 8,280  
20 May 2009 /  #141
eh Torq

you are such a disappointment
Torq 32 | 2,897  
20 May 2009 /  #142
eh Crow

I like you but you have to stop living in denial
Crow 139 | 8,280  
20 May 2009 /  #143
Torq

ah, never mind
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
20 May 2009 /  #144
Crow how about we take a look at Serbia, you went out of your way to murder Albos, if you just forcefully relocated them, but you gave Europe an excuse, you and your irresponsible policies are to blaim, before you go on about how great Serbia is notice its own mistakes.

You cant expect a XXI century civlized continent to sit and watch a tiny state go genocidal (thats important, Russia goes medieval in Chechenya but Russia has nukes, you are a political dwarf).
Crow 139 | 8,280  
20 May 2009 /  #145
you went out of your way to murder Albos, if you just forcefully relocated them

seams to me that you trust to BBC, CNN, DEUTSCHE WELLE and AL JAZZEERA more then you trust to me

am i right?

You cant expect a XXI century civlized continent to sit and watch a tiny state go genocida

seams to me that you have all possible understandings for USA, British, Franch, German trerrorist behavior in international community, while you don`t gove a sh** for Serbian or Russian side of story

am i right?
Torq 32 | 2,897  
20 May 2009 /  #146
Listen Crow...

You want to make your country stronger and don't want Kosovo to happen
again. Am I right?

Well, to make your country stronger all you have to do is to work hard and
honestly, creating more than you consume and then pass on your wealth
to your children for them to work and enhance it even more.

How many hours a day do you work, Crow? Eight? Well, work 10 then.
10? Try working 12 then (don't go over it though, there has to be
a limit somewhere :-)).

How many children do you have my Slavic brother? Just one??? Well,
how about a second one? You do have 2 children??? Maybe it's time
to think about the third?

You won't achieve anything by moaning and groaning and by living in denial,
making unrealistic dreams of some "Slavic union" when your country itself
is in a terrible mess.

Hard work and more children - that's what you need to make your country
stronger and stop Kosovo from happening again. Simple as that, Crow.

It's an advice of a friend. Take it if you're smart enough.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
20 May 2009 /  #147
seams to me that you have all possible understandings for USA, British, Franch, German trerrorist behavior

There is no justification for genocide, you had superior military might, you could and should have excersized restraint while sorting out the region, as for Chechenya Russia has absolutely no right to be there and everything it does in there is evil and wrong.

I didnt want to see you lose Kosovo but You, the Serbs are the main responsible party, with your genocidal policies you took away any credibility you might have as a side in the argument, now you just sit here and post "USA terrorist this, West terrorist that" instead of complaining about external powers look at the mistakes Serbia made, maybe you'll learn.

am i right?

You're wrong.
Harry  
20 May 2009 /  #148
There is no justification for genocide

Today must be a cold day in hell, I've just completely agreed with Sokrates!
Crow 139 | 8,280  
20 May 2009 /  #149
no, its just an average day in Eurabia

You're wrong.

ko ko ko kokodad kokodada kokoda kokoda ko ko... there is an egg for you

I'm Polish through and through

why then you speaks against Serbs, while complete Islamic world support Albanian side?

Excerpts from Kosovo and the Arab World Conference

muslim brothers in balkan

youtu.be/6Et8FzEf0Og

I know a lot of about true Poles. True Poles such was Zawisha Charny and our King Wladislaw Warnenchik died for our freedom. But, no, Torq. You only think that you are Pole.

But never mind, south of Sarmatia shall survive with or without support of people like you

Golden freedom for Sarmatia!
Torq 32 | 2,897  
20 May 2009 /  #150
why then you speaks against Serbs

Show me ONE, just one post in which I "spoke against Serbs".
It looks like you really can't or don't want to take the friendly advice
I was trying to give you... it's sad.

Get a feckin grip of yourself, mate.

EDIT:

But, no, Torq. You only think that you are Pole.

OK, that does it. You're on ignore from now on, you self-righteous prick.

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