Poland biggest problem

Simple answer - yes he does.

No, it is a true story, this man exists and lives in Czestochowa yet lived in Sweden during martial law in Poland. He has a brother who lives in Chicago and he has been there too. I do not make things up. I was surprised because I too would have thought that a qualification from Jagiellonski would be valued everywhere, but apparently not.

only certificate dont shape a life... a person need to be on the right track. Many people succeed in business big time, and are just high school! .. and some big degrees fall short of enough food!... that is life.

they have no national identity! they have been bombed, invaded and occupied and their young men used as cannon-fodder by occupying forces (especially including Britain and America)so many times it is any wonder? it is a miracle there are any true poles left! Perhaps if they had some oil.......??? Bush and Blair would then invent some polish terrorist movement so that they could steal it !!! at least then the poles would have some freedom fighters to fight for their recognition !!!

OH!! this has come up on the wrong board hasn't it?? !!!!

Who... ?

friend: Good old Giertych !!

follow the thread !!! read closely and you will recognise the country of which I speak !! Or are you being sarcastic ??

Corrupt politicians, bureaucrats and businessmen are just fragments of the problem. Time is the big factor. People are still living in the 19th & 20th century. This is the 21st century and if you don't keep up with the times they will pass you by in a heartbeat. Politics and Business are not always the best of friends. However they need to work together for a better future. Now more than ever the people need to pull together to make sure things work. There comes a time when you have to Adapt, Improvise & Overcome the negetive elements. Regardless of country people need to quit picking on Religion and making it the villain. In Religion, Just like Politics and Business, you're bound to find a few bad apples on the tree.

my comments connected to the above, sorry.

Indeed, you are right. I person can be very well educated, intelligent with or without a good education but it does not mean that someone is highly skilled. This is why Australia always refers to its skill scales policy in determining future immigrants to its country as it wants young highly skilled entrants who are going to work for many years to come and contribute to the Australian welfare system.

Exactly. In a real life you can sue for libel...

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Warsaw and it's people were sacrificed 60 years ago for honour and dignity.
Warsaw is now a place for the honorable and the dignified.
Maybe that's why you are bored - you child.

thats not what i heard... and evidence seems to suggest otherwise...

with all due respect ogorek

nothing to do with the topic there bro

poland's biggist problem r' its own people kids... a country's just as good as its people!

Give it to us Americans for a year n' we'll make yer country as good as gold

Let's hope Poland never has a hurricane Katrina, because the way that was handled was a shining example of how not to run a country

apologies to American friends on PF, nothing personal

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ok - lets try again. Polands biggest problem is people like you.

There is nothing wrong with criticising a place - everyone has an opinion - it just depends on the motive. You slag off a city and your comments are one sided and unfair. You have no knowledge or repect for the reasons why. Do you think it's always been this way? Warsaw is an easy target in every sense of the word. Warsaw is only now begining to rebuild itself. Would you go to a cripple in a wheel chair and tell him he's no fun because he can't walk? LOOK at the pictures!

None taken daisy, I tend to agree with that because there was to many things
wrong before hurricane katrina happened.. and no one listened.

during hurricane katrina.. while the mayor of the city graciously let thousands
low income people sit it out in the superdome , all those wonderful buses could
have taken a large number of them further in land to safer places.. non of that
would had to have happened.

he should have had the national guard there prior to the storm hitting
and evacuated them days before..

so this is a huge lesson on not what to do.. or next time do it right.

alot of people are still homeless though because of the levy, flooding and they
( insurance companies) wont pay for it..

Plus, they had someone in charge of Fema WHo didnt know his arse from a hole
in the ground..

I think many other Americans would agree with you daisy.

Of course this does not apply for every person but the sense of honour and dignity is much stronger in Poland, which is a problem because it jars with foreign people who no longer know the meaning. A similar example would be the church.

This doesnt answer anything.. do you work for bush??

Politics and beans.. lots of hot air coming from both ends!!

we are not talking about poland but about warsaw, the atmosphere of which has changed considerably over the last decade... it is now full of pretentious prats oozing self-importance about living in a capital city which, at the end of the day, aint all that when it comes to capital cities... or indeed in comparison to other polish cities

In 1945, the Polish authorities were about to abandon the hopeless ruins of Warsaw and move the capital back to Krakow. However the proud residents refused to leave and therefore warsaw was reborn, unfortunately under the communists which is why it's so ugly. The atmosphere has changed becuase the commis have gone. Now after 50 years they can show how proud they are again.


That's what residents of capital cities are supposed to be like. It's the capital. Just look at Paris - it's arrogance is legendry. Yes I know Paris is beautiful - but that's because it did not stand and fight for it's freedom.

Going back to the point. Polands biggest problem is that it's still under the shadow of the war, especially Warsaw because it looks shocking. It angers me when outsiders see it for what it is, they scoff and think it's always been that way. It looks like Hitler and Stalin got their way in the end - well for now anyway. Varsovians are not going to let themselves be put down.

Iv just sat and read every post from this thread and i honestly wonder if any of the people posting negatives have been to warsaw/poland recently. I have been 5 or 6 times in the last 2 yrs and im sorry, but the city is under reconstuction on a massive scale! Every visit there is a project finished and another just starting. For the people quoting bartek212 as if he has shown some kind of new and remarkable insight! Well im sorry, but i have been to almost every catital city in western europe and the old east and bartek212`s rant is exactly that! Young people in glasgow, edinburgh, birmingham, leeds, london, dublin, belfast, cardif, paris, amsterdam, brussels, berlin, prague, vienna, madrid, zagreb, bratislava etc etc all have the exact same complaints. Christ i could take you to some run down parts of glasgow that are less than 20 mins away from me and they would scare the fkn **** out of you . Bartek212, not so long ago i was you, i grew up in a not so smart part of town, i had no money, my family (dad in particular) would never have supported me in further education, so i had to leave school at 16 and find a job. Damn before that when i was 12 i worked on a market stall selling socks and made £1 (about 5zl ) for three hours work, then at 14 i worked at a dog race track and made £15 for working all day saturday and 4 hrs on a tuesday, wednesday and thursday. I am rather sad to see a youndg person like yourself with so many negative thoughts. Rather than think of all the bad points (and every country has there bad points, not just yours) think of ways to make it better! Then get up of your ass and make it better.

For the people questioning polish people, there ethics and attitudes ( and i realise some of you are poles) i honestly think you should be taking a long hard look at yourselfes, and dont steriotype a whole nation with regard to your own possible/probable failings.

I have so much more to say here, but i am so pissed off at some of the comments made on this thread that if i dont go now i will say something i will regret.

Good luck 2 you bartek in warsaw, and to bartek in berlin, and to bartek in riga, and to bartek in moscow and to bartek in glasgow etc etc etc

Don't know about the religion, but as far as politics and business go the whole tree is usually rotten, minus a few decent apples here and there.

There are lots of big problems,but it bassically comes down to the fact that far too many people are only out for themselves and dont care a damn about anything that is not directly theirs or a potential asset for them. It shows in every part of life and many polish people have pointed it out to me. Its always somebody elses fault and noone seems to have the will to make a change. Same idiots get ellected every time, but it is they that the people blame for all their woes!! A very mixed up situation.

What the hell... Oinker's brother joined the forums ?

The last Tusk v. Kaczynski election was very close. It is commonly believed that the church hinted to the public who they should vote for. Also, Randompal knows a credible source who reported personally seeing election fraud taking place...

- Does randumpal, really?

Let's ask him to divulge the alleged 'source.'

Let's see if randumpal isn't lying and bragging again.

... I wonder if he'll insist now that when he bragged he knew the alleged 'credible source' it was merely 'playful sarcasm' on his part?

:)

A close friend of Randompal's who worked as a volunteer for the election comission a few years ago. But you wouldn't know her.

the biggest problem in Poland is Poles it self.. No respect feeling, what they said A not A, what they said D not D... not all of them but MOST of them.... it's hard to communicate with Poles or to have deal with Poles.... you need to have rule for your self " No money No honey"...