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annab3 1 | 16  
9 Aug 2007 /  #61
they don't have to make beds because they go underground ;))
Zeze  
9 Aug 2007 /  #62
what you talking about
annab3 1 | 16  
9 Aug 2007 /  #63
In my view, the biggest problem in Poland is Polish people's mentality, and it has nothing to do with religion, politics, etc, but it sure reflects on those areas as well.

Polish mentality kills initiative and creativity in the country. Poles are just vicious to one another, especially a neighbor to a neighbor. We are all nice and polite to foreigners, but do everything to spite one another in our own backyards. It's just a major lack of kindness and consideration to others.

When one Pole wants to be more than average, everybody else is not only doing nothing to help, but they do everything they can to prevent that one person from succeeding. If you live in a village and get more education that the average Joe, you are treated like an outsider, of course laughed behind your back, from pure jealousy. People who live in Warsaw hate people who live in Krakow, people who live in Gdansk hate people from Warsaw, etc. We like to have enemies and when the war is over, we fight with one another. Maybe that’s why Poles always do so well in wars (?)

This is not to say that people in Poland aren’t creative and smart, but they often can develop their creativity only away from the country and other Poles.

Polish biggest problem - lack of unity and lack of responsibilty for fellow countrymen

what you talking about

Your post

How many Japanese or Scadinavians you see going to the UK to make beds ???

go under ground : get buried

The Polish never have any financial common sense. They never think about tomorrow and know how to save and invest

you should see Americans who live on credit all their lives...

maybe Polish biggest problem is homophobia - I heard on the news.

Since Poles seems to support family, they are called homophobic.... Does one mean the other?
Tran Anh 2 | 72  
9 Aug 2007 /  #64
1. Not enough cash.

We are fukin poor. We are doing anything anywhere, for many young people is much better to do anything in the UK instead of hard working in Poland. And they are right.

You are absolutely richer than Somalia, Ethiopia; your GDP per head is double more than China. It is insensible to compare yourselves now with West Western Europe (which is about 30 years economically advanced). By continuing lamenting for the next 30 years, you guarantee yourselves a lifetime of misery.

Nobody cares about Poland, how if our president doesn't speak English (and his wife does)?
Also - we have no ambassadors in over 20 countries (and I'm not talking about Africa, jungle or Mars, there are no polish ambassadors in Athens, Seul etc. including 2 countries i EU and 2 another from NATO + much much more).

How on earth the world deign to care upon you if you can so callously dismiss the poor and the unlucky while salivating after the opposite?

It is an eternal curse for Poles to put yourselves into a hierarchy!

xenophobia

You are right this one. Some (or most) Poles must get rid of xenophobia, either in the form of malicious envy towards richer countries, or in the form of racist disdain towards the poorer. But this applies to all countries and all humans too.

THIS COUNTRY IS JUST BORING.

This is both a pathetic and an enlightening statement. The life of the poor is always boring. If you are rich, the path to excitement is almost limitless: The excitement of material possessions (car, yatch, sea, roads...), The excitement of connection (social network, personalities, good-looking companions...) and the excitement of culture (learning, art, great music...). With the exception of being incurably stupid 'or' idealistic' (you know I would like to link two of them together since the rich education is now so perfect, the chance for the former only is almost impossible), the life of the rich (and rich countries) are assured to be rosy as long as they live.

As you all know, things are completely contrary to the humbler part of mankind. The lacking of everything the rich enjoy above contributes to the poor's life 'the vicious circle of Boredom'. There is no horrible an inequality between two different kinds of humans than when one have plenty of enjoyment but find no time for all of them and the other either having no time for any enjoyment (because they have to work their balls so hard) or worst of all, they have plenty of freetime but are materially and culturally denied access to enjoyment. In Asia or Africa, at least the tie in family and clan lessens this boredom, but in the individualist Europe (particularly Eastern Europe), the dull solitude of the poor is absolute and excruciating.

I think there are three cures for this dreadful dullness (and depression). First is to break away from the effect of consumerism, which equates possession with happiness and excitement. This false ideology thinks that it can push up productivity but actually it only helps to shore up human greed and thus endless mechanical competition between humans (for endlessly produced mechanical goods). In the end, It will always condemn a significant portion of humankind to frustration and unhappiness.

The second cure is music and sport. The right music and the right sport guarantee in ourselves the wholesomeness of our spirit and our body. Both (especially music) offer the exhilaration that is normally beyond our means. Contrary to popular myth, music is easy to learn and easier to listen if one can appreciate that the reward is tremendous (The idea of great music to be extremely relevant today will be elaborated in an article soon). Meanwhile, Some of the most healthy sports out there are simple accessible beyond description (like running or even football)! If the boring poor want to improve their lot (physically, spiritually and even economically), there is no simpler and nobler way to do than to take on music and sport.

The third cure is to rediscover and affirm your universal, national and unique identity. "How?" is the question each of us has to find the answer by ourselves. I just hope it would be as soon as possible.
annab3 1 | 16  
9 Aug 2007 /  #65
The life of the poor is always boring

I have to disagree on that. I took care of children who had everything they could ever want (except for traveling to the moon) and they were always bored.

I would think boredom comes from lack of creativity...
Tran Anh 2 | 72  
9 Aug 2007 /  #66
boredom comes from lack of creativity

Exactly, the poor is boring because they are materially and culturally denied access to creativity.
annab3 1 | 16  
9 Aug 2007 /  #67
In Poland, education is largely free, and there are public libraries, so I am not sure how that applied there. There is hardly slavery anywhere anymore in the world..

In fact the guys who found Poland boring is not Polish, I think. So I see foreigners find Poland boring, but Poles are not complaining much or are they. If they are bored, they drink... ;))

How do you explain the bored children of rich people...?
Tran Anh 2 | 72  
9 Aug 2007 /  #68
education is largely free, and there are public libraries, so I am not sure how that applied there.

That is the effect of consumerism. People become more concerned with fast car, cool gadgets... and consider the lack of them with more distress than their ability to participate in arts or other human activities. And Poland is not rich enough for citizens to participate in expensive hi-tech creativity.

How do you explain the bored children of rich people...?

With them, things are very complicated, but first, Please, read my post carefully:

With the exception of being incurably stupid 'or' idealistic' (you know I would like to link two of them together since the rich education is now so perfert, the chance for the former only is almost impossible), the life of the rich (and rich countries) are assured to be rosy as long as they live.

The bored rich kids are the products of either stringently authoritarian families (against their rebelious nature) or the current satiation of enjoyments or simply they themselves have some psychological problems (that may be high-minded or simply downright sick). But in the end, most of them will cope with their own favorable situation, become more sophisticated and are able to enjoy more that life has to offer. Their elite education system know exactly how instill in them the purpose for life. That's why you will see that the rich and the rich countries are always rich and healthy (History is not a good retort here because of the presence of advanced education).

The bored poor kids have a thousand times more a chance to become the bored poor adults than the bored rich kids to be bored rich adults!
annab3 1 | 16  
9 Aug 2007 /  #69
The bored poor kids

that's the thing, I never met one that would be a poor and bored kid at the same time, but it does not mean there aren't any

the bored rich kids

oftentimes end up badly or maybe it's just the media that spreads the bad and depressing news faster than good and uplifting news...
friend 4 | 37  
9 Aug 2007 /  #70
once again. that Giertych fellow
annab3 1 | 16  
9 Aug 2007 /  #71
What did the Giertych fellow do to you or to Poland? You seem not too like him too much?

By the way, I am not up to date with Polish rising "stars." Who is he? I guess I can find it on the Internet...
bart1980 - | 1  
9 Aug 2007 /  #72
Quoting: bartek212
THIS COUNTRY IS JUST BORING.

true true true !!!!!! and I live in Warsaw the center of the place and is boring as hell

Warsaw IS RATHER boring by nature.

Krakow, Olsztyn, Wroclaw aren't

BTW: I live in warsaw
markdz - | 8  
10 Aug 2007 /  #73
"In my day it was always Churchill who was responsible for the Russians or the weather! "

Actually wasn't it Churchhill who wanted to keep going during ww2 and the USA didn't? The USA and Russia made a deal before it ended.

Religion - sometimes I think it was the only freedom many poles had during Communism, but its been practiced for hundreds of years so I came to the conclusion that Poles are honest people who seek an honest life. Righteousness. Spirtual living.

I think alcohol and joblessness plays a role. All major industries where sold off and many who have ambition, leave Poland. My 2 zoty !!
Corruption is something else I've heard repeatedly.
But being hard workers, it would make for a great place to send factories. Isn't it why EU is in place, and Frence workers didn't like it because Poles are taking jobs away?
friend 4 | 37  
10 Aug 2007 /  #74
He condones the beating-up of gay people and his group's members thrwe acid on gay pride marchers
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
10 Aug 2007 /  #75
And when that time comes… we will ban socks and sandals combination in EU!!! Ohhh ze Germans are going to be sooo furious! Wooo hooooo! ;P

Can we also ban them from going to Croatia and using the nudest beaches :)

See VISAs to the USA also. Most of people who wanted to move from Poland just moved, but we will still have VISAs

Same for anyone in Europe going to the US - Bart you seem a little bit peeved about your country for you own personal reasons but I think positive thinking and working towards a better future is the way to go, Like Matyjasz said, you have only had short period of time to clean up many years of mess, Rome wasn't built in a day :)
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196  
12 Aug 2007 /  #76
Polish biggest problem - lack of unity and lack of responsibilty for fellow countrymen

I dont think this is true. Poles do have strong sense of compassion and humanity for their people. Dont know if this is because Polish Catholic Church or something else.
Wyspianska  
12 Aug 2007 /  #77
Maybe its not the biggest, but one of the biggest problems for sure. Young polish people are generally so dumb that i feel ashamed sometimes. They are going to another countries and think how "cool" they are cuz of it. It makes me sick. In fact they dont even study, just go and work there as some cleaners or servants. Clean british or irish asses. Sad.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
12 Aug 2007 /  #78
True. Kill'em all.

so you've changed your mind about going to UK or Ireland to work?
Wyspianska  
12 Aug 2007 /  #80
Im not telling about everyone who wants to go there for work. Some people need money for study for example. But in my opinion its not better job than here, in Poland. So no reason to be proud of. Specially soo proud. I met a lot of such Poles. They think they are the best only cuz they are working in different coutries. In fact they are even worse than me in english. So, yeah. As i said: sad.
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
12 Aug 2007 /  #81
Wyspianska, I totally agree with you. I really don't understand why young, very often educated people who finished university, want to go to another country, and do this kind of jobs. I see it also in the US and I really don't like it.
Zeze  
12 Aug 2007 /  #82
I really don't understand why young, very often educated people who finished university, want to go to another country, and do this kind of jobs.

the pay is much more them in Poland
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
12 Aug 2007 /  #83
educated people who finished university, want to go to another country, and do this kind of jobs

not all of them are doing low paid jobs, most of the dentists at the practice I go to are Polish, the other one is Croatian. They are earning good money
Michal - | 1,865  
12 Aug 2007 /  #84
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Quote Today, 10:52 . #95

Wyspianska, I totally agree with you. I really don't understand why young, very often educated people who finished university, want to go to another country, and do this kind of jobs. I see it also in the US and I really don't like it.

want to go to another country, and do this kind of jobs. I see it also in the US and I really don't like it.

Yet you are in the United States and you say that your life is much better there than it would be back in Polnad so you are in effect answering your own question.
espana 17 | 910  
12 Aug 2007 /  #85
not all of them are doing low paid jobs

the 5 % only.
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
12 Aug 2007 /  #86
I'm sure the pay is much better abroad, but I would understand, if it was a "temporary" job, used to support yourself, when you let's say - learn english. However, if you have a master degree, and 5,10 years later still are wiping arses, then it is pathetic and a total luck of ambition and pride.

Luckily, there are also lots of young people,who take pride in themselves and get respectable jobs.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
12 Aug 2007 /  #87
the 5 % only.

no I disagree, I don't think it is as low as 5%, maybe initially some people came here on a low paid job to start with, but then they move on to a better job. Polish couple who are renting a house in my street, now want to buy a house in the street, they must be earning a reasonable amount between them to be able to afford to buy.
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
12 Aug 2007 /  #88
Yes, Daisy polish people love to own property and get their own place as soon as they can. I worked hard waiting on tables for first couple of years, and studied hard at the same time, so can push a mouse for a very good living... :)

All jobs are needed, and as the world's population gets older, the medical field seems to be a way to go. And, with a piece of paper, you can get a good job, insurance and all.
Michal - | 1,865  
12 Aug 2007 /  #89
I have not been looking at all the remarks made before but it all depends on people and situations. Euola has an oversimplified attitude towards reality. I have a friend who lives in Czestochowa and lived for eight years in Sweden during martial rule. He learnt Swedish and even had a Swedish passport. In Sweden, he cleaned the streets and met nobody. He finished Jagiellonski but his qualification was not even recognized by the Swedish Government so he had a choice of either being an even better street cleaner or returning to Poland, which he did and now runs a gallery in Czestochowa. Also it is worth pointing out that a lot of these so called Polish Master degrees are in fact nothing more than a British first bachelor degree actually. The Polish will not agree but then again they won World War 2 single handedly as well. The Russian only looked on and watched.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
12 Aug 2007 /  #90
Michal,

Do you get a kick out of insulting people ?

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