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ARE POLISH PEOPLE TAKING OUR JOBS OR DOING OUR JOBS??!! DISCUSS.


PolskaDoll 28 | 2,104  
27 Sep 2009 /  #31
I think most Scots are pragmatic enough to realise that they don't want to do rotten jobs for minimum wage, so they're content to let immigrants do the jobs instead.

It's not even entirely that. We're quite happy to let whoever wants the job have it. Employers are getting stricter here so actually living here and having a a CRO helps. Even though most want a new one on acceptance. They should be paying for it! We're just happy people are working, let's be honest. :)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
27 Sep 2009 /  #32
Or ban this user?

All the more reason to VOTE YOU OUT! I DIDNT WANT YOU AS A MOD! You have to many opionions...I DO NOT LIKE YOU..Mr W and Vincent and our other Mods do their job in their own way, you however...are an opinionated little girl! OH AND I KNOW IT WAS YOU WHO MADE MY OTHER PROFILE PUBLIC BY ADDING MY NAME...GEE...THANKS POLSKADOG! ?

AS for taking our jobs, in all the supermarkets I shop at, they are white and English regarless of what some on this forum say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But this is in England! Maybe we can do our own jobs!

As for the rest of your post:

NO mod would dignify themselves! This sets you apart from this position, hence the reason you should not hold it!
plk123 8 | 4,149  
27 Sep 2009 /  #33
why is good in "_"?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
27 Sep 2009 /  #34
EVERYBODY WORLDWIDE F*CKING SCREAM IT OUT!!!! THERE IS TOO MUCH TENSION BOILING BETWEEN US BRITS AND YOU LOT AND THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO! IM GETTING SICK TO THE BACK TEETH OF HEARING IT ALL!!! LETS ALL PUT THE WORLD TO RIGHTS HERE:D

Yeah but it was you brits who went out and conquered the world. Maybe some of you Brits should go out and once again settle somewhere else besides Great Britain? Then you could find lots of jobs. It's like musical chairs :D

I think it's time for a second Empire. Think about it, if lots of Brits went out once again and colonized, there would be enough jobs for the remaining Brits and all immigrants inside Britain.
plk123 8 | 4,149  
27 Sep 2009 /  #35
sorry.. the empire's dead.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
27 Sep 2009 /  #36
Unfortunately, the English seem to have forgotten that they themselves were immigrants in many parts of the world.

I think the English are Proud enough to work in any job! We have always done it ..who worked the millls in Manchester?? cleared the fluff from the machinery..tiny fingers..were they pakis or Poles..I think not!

Al tell ya what, you go in Sainburys on Oxford Road in Manchester and they are all white and English...You all seem to think we need immigrants..NO WE DO NOT!

VOTE NO TO TREATY!

Unfortunately, the English seem to have forgotten that they themselves were immigrants in many parts of the world.

We are the masters and were invited and have contributed, we also intigrated...most Australians are actually Brits! My family amongst them....Do you think my family stick out! No they made their life they were give practically free passage to Aus...they dont even consider themselves English....This is the diifference!
plk123 8 | 4,149  
27 Sep 2009 /  #37
i'm glad to read you don't see colors. ;)

masters

lol.. you may want to reword that
Lir  
27 Sep 2009 /  #38
Al tell ya what, you go in Sainburys on Oxford Road in Manchester and they are all white and English..

Really? You sure about that then ? Have a look at this then !



An English man, A Welshman, A man from BanglaDesh <Nadeem>, A Lady from Taiwan <Yvonne>

And Jainaba, Asif and Anna <Arabic, Slovakian, Chinese> etc etc

Very multi cultural........:)

Watch the video all the way through as the staff are introduced. Not the best video in the world I agree, but certainly shows the mix of nationalities at one of the Saisnburys outlets that Shelley mentions in her previous post!!!!!!!

I realise Whitworth Street may not be the one on Oxford Road but it is just round the corner is it not ?

The Oxford Road one is a very small shop <next to the station> ? Hardly what you would really call a typical supermarket
qype.co.uk/place/161760-J-Sainsburys-plc-Manchester/photos/276694

:))
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
27 Sep 2009 /  #39
We are the masters and were invited and have contributed, we also intigrated...most Australians are actually Brits! My family amongst them....Do you think my family stick out! No they made their life they were give practically free passage to Aus...they dont even consider themselves English....This is the diifference!

Yes, if the English did something like that again, people would be leaving the overpopulated Island like they did back then. More jobs and resources will be left. It's like you all are a pond that needs an overflow valve because you have had too much rain and are about to flood. This is the same reason why Brits colonized in the first place: not enough room on that Island.
Lir  
27 Sep 2009 /  #40
It's like you all are a pond that needs an overflow valve because you have had too much rain and are about to flood

LOL.......

Not everyone who lives in England thinks like Shelley......:(
Wroclaw Boy  
27 Sep 2009 /  #41
How many UK members personally blame immigration on PF i ask you?? Not many mostly the ones that do are directly affected by immigration and Poles are at the forefront of that for obvious reasons.

I have friends in the manual labour industry back home most of them are very hard workers and used to earning good money, many of them have mortgages and children. The fact that 100,s of thousands of Poles came to England and worked within their industry for less money directly affects their life styles.

Not everyone who lives in England thinks like Shelley......:(

But youre Polish though how the hell would you know? and of course its not everyone its the minority of Brits affected by immigration. In any case its getting worse all the time, imagine a similar situation in Poland i ask you, there isnt even enough money in this country for Poles let alone cheap foreign labour and the bosses will save money and go with the foreigners. All hell will be let loose.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
27 Sep 2009 /  #42
We have always done it ..who worked the millls in Manchester?

Immigrants from Scotland and Ireland were taken in as cheap labour.
andrewwright 8 | 65  
27 Sep 2009 /  #43
The poles take our jobs,so us brits take there beautiful woman:) I know what i prefer:)
Lir  
27 Sep 2009 /  #44
But youre Polish though how the hell would you know?

What LOL........

???

Of course I would know I was born and raised in the UK.......and I live here too.

Shelley is not typical of all British people......thats definite !

:)

Immigrants from Scotland and Ireland were taken in as cheap labour.

:))))
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
27 Sep 2009 /  #45
The funniest thing of all is when English complain about immigration. It's hilariously ironic beyond belief!! The English people have done more immigrating than any other people on earth, except for Spanish, maybe. Whenever I see posts made by Englanders complaining about immigration it's just... I don't know...it's too ironic for words.
Wroclaw Boy  
27 Sep 2009 /  #46
Of course I would know I was born and raised in the UK.......and I live here too.

I was under the impression that generally speaking your friends know youre Polish heritage therefore i suspect the Pole bashing conversations would come to a halt when you enter the room.

The English people have done more immigrating than any other people on earth, except for Spanish, maybe.

What from the early 17th century, thats right and think yourself lucky we made the US youre country of choice no less. Its current events were discussing here sweetheart, get with the program.
OsiedleRuda  
27 Sep 2009 /  #47
therefore i suspect the Pole bashing conversations would come to a halt when you enter the room.

My family has similar heritage, but believe me, there's plenty of Pole-bashing in our conversations. Do you really think it's only ethnic English who are sick of mass immigration from Poland's criminal underclass?

Still, there's one less piece of murdering scum for the UK taxpayer to pay £1000s a year for...

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8276367.stm

(quote)

He had previously served 10 years in jail in his native Poland where he became known as "the Beast" for 27 serious sex attacks on girls and women from the age of 17.

And we still let him in!!!!! Because we aren't allowed to offend his "human rights", probably! What about the human rights of the victims? People like that should be dumped on a one-way Ryanair flight and dumped at their country of origin. Mind you, I bet the Polish legal system was quite happy for the UK to bear the costs of keeping an animal like this alive.

Still think we should have uncontrolled borders and an open-door policy, liberals? Wait until it's your daughter/wife/gf, etc - then you may change your mind. I wonder how many Polish workers you think we need to work here, just to pay the tax which is needed to keep someone like that in prison? **

** not aimed at Wroclaw Boy, btw

The funniest thing of all is when English complain about immigration. It's hilariously ironic beyond belief!! The English people have done more immigrating than any other people on earth, except for Spanish

But eventually countries say "enough is enough", just like China said that uncontrolled breeding had to come to an and. You will find that a lot of the former colonies are restricting immigration from English-speaking countries now. Mind you, even that's better than the genocide which is being commited against white European settlers in Zimbabwe, which the Left always conveniently fail to mention. Still, they'll change their mind if someone strikes oil there ;)
Mister H 11 | 761  
27 Sep 2009 /  #48
That's because you're a traditional Brit who has to buy sandwiches every day and a coffee.

Anyone that that buys a huge coffee from Starbucks on their way to work and then gets their sarnies from M&S at lunchtime and does this everyday is chucking at least £60-100 a week down the drain.

I very rarely buy lunch at work or from the nearest supermarket. It's basic economics to take your own grub in.

It's funny how much people in the UK actually are in a sea of debt, just because they cannot change their lifestyle and instead blame immigrants for everything.

I work in collections for a major High Street bank and as I have said before on here, the percentage of foreign nationals in debt compared to the percentage of foreign nationals in the country is wildly different. You're talking about 30-40% of a bank's bad debt book being made up of foreign nationals, but they are in no way 30-40% of the population.

The Polish have more than there fair share of the UK's bad debt.

For a single person, you can get a council flat in Aberdeen no problem for less than 50 pounds a week.

Have you any idea how long a single person would need to wait for a council flat ?

Someone who is single and without children would be on the waiting list for years. A married couple/unmarried couple that have been together for ages, but without children, would probably be encouraged by the housing authority to punch out a couple of kids to help bump them up the list.

I know of someone that was told that he and his longterm girlfriend were looking at ten years waiting for a council property unless they had children.
OsiedleRuda  
27 Sep 2009 /  #49
Beat me to it - I think that last post was one of the most patronising I've seen on here for a while, and that's saying something!

How about we all move to Aberdeen, and then when we can't afford to live there either - where do we move to next? Somewhere where a council flat costs £25 a week? Sorry, but places like that don't exist!

Oh, I forgot... if we can't afford the cheapest place to live, we should move in a few other people, right? Well, I don't want a Third World lifestyle to become the norm in my country, thanks!
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #50
he talks about job stealing amongst other things.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455  
27 Sep 2009 /  #51
Have you any idea how long a single person would need to wait for a council flat ?

There are flats available *today* to take. I have a good friend involved with housing in Aberdeen who assures me that if you want a roof over your head, you can have one tomorrow. Of course, your neighbours will be mostly the scum of the earth and you can expect to have at least one heroin addict in your block, but that's not the point. The flats themselves are habitable, they're secure and pefectly livable.

Of course, if you want something in a good (or even just an average) area, you'll be waiting a long time. I'm not denying this - but the point is that you can have accomodation for 50 quid a week. If you *need* to live in a better area, it's your choice. But the whole "I CAN'T LIVE ON MINIMUM WAGE" is nonsense - of course you can, if you accept that you won't be living in a palace.

I work in collections for a major High Street bank and as I have said before on here, the percentage of foreign nationals in debt compared to the percentage of foreign nationals in the country is wildly different. You're talking about 30-40% of a bank's bad debt book being made up of foreign nationals, but they are in no way 30-40% of the population.

I can believe it. So much easy credit was thrown at foreign nationals, many of who were working in clearly-temporary jobs - and I think the people responsible for authorising such lending should've been taken round the back and shot. It's clearly nonsense to go giving overdrafts and loans (and indeed, debit/credit cards and chequebooks) to foreign nationals with absolutely no track record in the UK. One look at Poland should have told them that credit isn't so easy to obtain here and to lend accordingly - people unused to easy lending will by nature go wild.

Do you have any means of enforcing debts on people that have gone by to Poland, for instance? If not, then it points even more at utter incompetence by those running the lending departments.

I have friends in the manual labour industry back home most of them are very hard workers and used to earning good money, many of them have mortgages and children. The fact that 100,s of thousands of Poles came to England and worked within their industry for less money directly affects their life styles.

That's the nature of free competition. As you say, they were 'used to good money' - but the game changed and they didn't adapt, thus they fell by the wayside. It's called evolution - and as we evolve, some win, some don't. Why didn't some of these manual workers take advantage of Polish immigration and set up recruitment agencies for manual labour jobs? I'm sure with their experience in manual labouring, they would've made a killing.

Don't forget that the EU also brought the ability for the British to take advantage in Poland. Look at all those British property speculators in Poland - some made an absolute killing here. This money isn't being spent in Poland, it's being spent in the UK. Tesco is making a killing here - there's 5 supermarkets in Poznan alone.

Personally, the real issue with the amount of immigration was in public services - most of which were struggling to cope before 2004 and were pushed to breaking point. Schools are a great example - I was reading about one school that had Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians and Latvians all in the same class - with huge problems with language as a result.

How about we all move to Aberdeen, and then when we can't afford to live there either - where do we move to next?

If you can't afford to share a flat with a private bedroom on minimum wage, there's something seriously wrong with you.

Look at this for instance - it's pretty much in the city centre of Aberdeen.

aberdeen.gumtree.com/aberdeen/12/46183712.html

If you can't afford to pay 75 p/w along with 25 p/w council tax on minimum wage, where are you spending your money?

Let's not forget something here - it was the infamously loathing of the EEC Margaret Thatcher that sold off all the council houses. It wasn't the immigrants!
OsiedleRuda  
27 Sep 2009 /  #52
If you can't afford to pay 75 p/w along with 25 p/w council tax on minimum wage, where are you spending your money?
Let's not forget something here - it was the infamously loathing of the EEC Margaret Thatcher that sold off all the council houses. It wasn't the immigrants!

That's all very well if you live or work in or around Aberdeen, but what about the rest of us? Even during the recession, the easiest place to get work is always in London. Which has also seen a massive increase in its unemployed. But have rents fallen? No! And why? Because most people who move there are from abroad, and business leaders and the Government want to keep packing them in. The minimum wage in London can often only cover your flatshare rent, and travelling costs - do you think this is progress, or a sign of a "thriving" economy; one in which Third World ways of life are becoming more common? Well, I don't - that's not progress, that's going backwards!

Don't start blaming Thatcher for everything - I'm no Tory, and her policies decimated industry, but I was WAY better off before New Labour got in and started their policy of ensuring that British people should become the minority in their own country, and forcing workers such as myself to be priced out of areas we grew up in, to make way for even more immigrants!

I'm not lazy - I work hard for my money, I've never been unemployed, I've only ever owned a car for about 10% of my working life, and I didn't travel abroad until I was over 30, and I can easily pay my way - but I am only earning double what I was earning in 1991, yet housing and other costs have gone up by 300-500% since then - this is a FACT. Immigration is quite obviously not the only reason for this, but if you think that immigration has NOTHING to do with this at all, then you clearly do not know what you are talikng about!
Wroclaw Boy  
27 Sep 2009 /  #53
As you say, they were 'used to good money' - but the game changed and they didn't adapt,

Adapt! what work more for less basically.

and as we evolve, some win, some don't.

Which is why they blame immigration

Why didn't some of these manual workers take advantage of Polish immigration and set up recruitment agencies for manual labour jobs?

some did, many did not have the ability, not everybody is a born entreapeneur and willing to take such risks. Most workers goto work earn money and pay their taxes.

I'm sure with their experience in manual labouring, they would've made a killing.

You have to be making a killing to come out with a statement like that, the above mentioned recruitment agency does not require a trade to set up, did you do that?

Look at all those British property speculators in Poland - some made an absolute killing here.

Many lost fortunes too, again did you make a fortune?

Tesco is making a killing here - there's 5 supermarkets in Poznan alone.

What the hell has tesco's got to do with average Joe Bloggs being undercut by cheap labour?

In a nut shell you appear to have all the solutions, id be very surprised if youve actually taken your own advice very ofen.
Mister H 11 | 761  
27 Sep 2009 /  #54
he talks about job stealing amongst other things

A student with ridiculous hair, that is probably only here in the first place on the strength of his mum and dad's cash, talking b0ll0cks !

"How can you steal someone's job? You can steal a car or a mobile phone, but how can you steal a job!?"

By doing it cheaper and pricing everyone else out of the market !

And as for saying that he only ever seens Eastern Europeans in the Job Centre ! That's because we all know the that the Job Centre never have decent jobs. I've not been to one in years and have changed jobs three times in the last 5 years or so.

There are flats available *today* to take. I have a good friend involved with housing in Aberdeen who assures me that if you want a roof over your head, you can have one tomorrow. Of course, your neighbours will be mostly the scum of the earth and you can expect to have at least one heroin addict in your block, but that's not the point. The flats themselves are habitable, they're secure and pefectly livable.

Personally I would never see the attraction of moving to another country to live in such conditions.

If you want anything halfway reasonable in living conditions and have to rely on the state to provide it, then the lists are long.

Do you have any means of enforcing debts on people that have gone by to Poland, for instance? If not, then it points even more at utter incompetence by those running the lending departments.

I don't know the specifics, but I think it is possible to sell the debt to a collections agency based in the country that the debtor lives in.

One look at Poland should have told them that credit isn't so easy to obtain here and to lend accordingly - people unused to easy lending will by nature go wild.

And go wild many have. I would imagine that there are some pretty flash cars running around the streets of Poland bought on the strength of money still owed to UK banks.

Don't start blaming Thatcher for everything - I'm no Tory, and her policies decimated industry, but I was WAY better off before New Labour got in and started their policy of ensuring that British people should become the minority in their own country, and forcing workers such as myself to be priced out of areas we grew up in, to make way for even more immigrants!

I agree to certain extent in that New Labour have never been on the side of the British and its way of life, but having said that, poorly managed immigration goes back decades. This isn't a situation that has dropped out of a clear blue sky.

I'm not lazy - I work hard for my money, I've never been unemployed, I've only ever owned a car for about 10% of my working life, and I didn't travel abroad until I was over 30, and I can easily pay my way - but I am only earning double what I was earning in 1991, yet housing and other costs have gone up by 300-500% since then - this is a FACT. Immigration is quite obviously not the only reason for this, but if you think that immigration has NOTHING to do with this at all, then you clearly do not know what you are talikng about!

I'm pretty much the same and have never relied on the State or the Government for anything other than the NHS and my recent experiences there are enough to make me try BUPA !

The cost of living has gone through the roof in recent times, but wages do not keep pace with it. Anyone from Poland or anywhere else that plans to stick around for any length of time will soon realise this.

Immigration needs to be properly controlled, a cap placed on numbers and an end to being able to get married for a passport. End of story.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #55
We should always remember who does the hiring.
Mister H 11 | 761  
27 Sep 2009 /  #56
Very true.

If I ran a business, I would only employ people that hold British passports, but then I would probably end up in some court or other.

Similarly, I wouldn't want to hire a woman that had just got married and was more than likely about to have kids and disappear of maternity leave and cost me £1000s.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #57
Exactly, you want some form of insurance against that. The problem is, modern jobs cannot always be held for you. One lucky woman got her job back here but that was all about timing. It's sometimes a shot in the dark.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455  
27 Sep 2009 /  #58
And everything you say can be directly attributed to the Great Council House Selloff. It's a fact that if you want to work in London for minimum wage (why would you, when you can have a much better quality of life elsewhere?) - then your living conditions will be absolutely dire.

Don't start blaming Thatcher for everything

Again, you're blaming New Labour for something that is directly Thatcher's fault - the sell off of council houses. You're being priced out because everyone is now a homeowner - and everyone wants to make a profit from their home. Councils were under no such obligation to make a profit - and the difference in rent between social housing and private housing is astronomical today as a result.

If you want anything halfway reasonable in living conditions and have to rely on the state to provide it, then the lists are long.

See also - the Great Council House Selloff. There is plenty of wonderful ex-council stock around - just look at the value of many 1950's-built houses today!

Immigration needs to be properly controlled, a cap placed on numbers and an end to being able to get married for a passport. End of story.

Which means no more EU membership, yes?

Similarly, I wouldn't want to hire a woman that had just got married and was more than likely about to have kids and disappear of maternity leave and cost me £1000s.

To be honest, I agree with you here - and I believe that anyone falling pregnant in the UK within a year of starting work shouldn't be entitled to any maternity benefits whatsoever.

Why would you only hire people with British passports if you had a much better qualified immigrant on offer, though?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #59
It depends on the settled intentions of the immigrant. The fear that they will up sticks and relocate is at the forefront of the decider's mind. Especially if they are on temporary contract-based jobs with unclear renewal. Better the devil you know ;)
Mister H 11 | 761  
27 Sep 2009 /  #60
Which means no more EU membership, yes?

EU memberships fine as far as trade and business is concerned, but total freedom of movement is insane and countries that join the EU should all be on a par with one another.

Poland should never have been allowed to join the EU.

Why would you only hire people with British passports if you had a much better qualified immigrant on offer, though?

I believe in "British jobs for British workers".

If employers pay decent money and don't expect people to live on fresh air, then there are decent enough British people out there already to hire.

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