New York Post : "Polish" Death Camps and more

ahem, for what, Germans and Jews having blood on their hands?

Look again... ;-)
That word was deleted while you were answering.

But I'm not asking you to follow my 'argumentation', nor did I ask you for a comparison of Vichy France and post WW2 Stalinist Poland. Given that you have provided no genuine response to my post #118, my position there is vindicated, your subsequent posts are irrelevant and contradictory, and your opinion is based on flawed foundations.


It's been my professional experience that when someone's opinion is challenged and put to the test they will ignore the proposition, obfuscate, fail to respond meaningfully, then come back with a question themselves. Having said that, if you wish to compare apples with oranges, start a new thread and I'd be happy to indulge you.


What a disappointing remark. I think it says more about you and your views than it does the people to whom the comment was intended to offend.

Because you ignored it the first time, I'll reiterate the suggestion that you pop down to your local Polish club and air these views to that forum. Such passion and conviction deserves a personal delivery. Please report back to the forum as to the responses you garner at the Polish club.

Please mate - don't join the lunatic fringe of people who come on this forum bashing Poland its people.

Honestly, if you don't want a response from me or simply refuse to understand what I was saying, what sense does it make to put any more effort into this thread?


thread.

You know, if one cannot voice a controversial (but valid) opinion without being called a Nazi for example, then give me one reason why I should hold back and refrain from insulting those nuts.


That has never been my intention and will never be. Otherwise I would've stayed a guest instead of becoming a member of PF.

Anyway, I will stay away from this thread now. If you're interested, follow the link that I posted in #131. You will see that there are quite a few (Polish) people out there who are actually willing to seriously deal with their past or talk about it, respectively.

Cheers, mate.

Nothing you said is valid, baseless lies and insulting opinions and remarks plus ignoring the facts, i'm not entering discussion with you since you're either Harriets or Sjams sock account just pointing out, you're here to lie and ignore any uncomfortable reply.

0 Validity in your posts buddy, nada, none.

My first impression of you was spot on too. A troll looking for proof of hatred, bigotry, and hypocrisy. You finally found it, finally. Your debut was such a success.

Not to butt in, but if that's how you're arguing, it's not hard to see how nobody's supporting you... hell, to be honest, I'm sure we already all know by now how nobody even likes you.

Because, seriously, you're starting to look like the comical conspiracy-theorist type. Did JFK really get shot in the head by a radical pro-Cuban? We will never find out, that's for sure.

Anyway, I'd say it's more likely the error was made simply out of some American's (having lived in America, I can tell you that while intelligent and thoughtful people can generally be found in reasonable supply, it's much harder to find one not ignorant of happenings outside of his country's borders) Critical Research(/Logic) Failure, and not malice or conspiracy. Can't be helped; there's no effective forcible cure for stupidity (except perhaps, to quote bash, taking the safety labels off of everything, and letting the problem solve itself), so there's really no point in getting upset about it. Just a little exhasperated(sp?), perhaps.

So, we are all agreed then: not one single Pole was ever a communist, not one single Pole (other than some Jews, who obviously aren't Polish anyway) ever collaborated with the Germans or the Soviets and all Poles are absolutely perfect. Furthermore, anybody who ever states that Poles are like all nations (some are good & some are bad) is either a bigot or a Jew, or most probably both. Glad we got that one straight at last, now I can get back to enjoying my holiday.

i can see what you are saying harry, but for instance, if whichever country you see as your homeland had a dictator and that dictator started randomly killing all and sundry, would you distance yourself from that leadership?

the polish communist government (unelected i think) was a puppet of the russian communist government. therefore a lot of poles want to distance themselves from this leadership that the majority did not agree with.

Harry you are anti polish.

Three times yes!

No they were soviets, part of the international comintern etc. Like in Norway the only thing that made Norwegian comunists Norwegian was their tongue. Nothing more, they had their own "national" day "Internasjonalen"

Communists were/are different then nations. You can speak of communists in Cuba or communists in China but Chineese communists isn't really that logical for instance. Specially in Poland's matter there was allways important where your heart is not what blood if through your veins since it is the heart that produces that blood in the end :)

I am an patriot and communists in during the war and after the war was no Poles to me

It's probably time to leave poland.....????? ******* idiot.

I would love to see you take your anti-polish sentiments to the streets of warsaw, especially outside a football stadium after a game with skin heads around.


Jews are jews above their "nationality" of whatever country they reside in. You should know this, shlomo.

Actually the bone marrow.

You guys are superb! I love your claim that it's impossible for a Pole to be a communist almost as much as I adore your claim that it's impossible for a Pole to be Jewish! What next, perhaps you'd like to use the same logic and say it's impossible for a Pole to be Catholic?!

You misunderstand, Harry. They are saying the communist government was foisted upon them by the Soviets and the deal with the western countries and if they had their way they would choose something else so the communists weren't really Polish, but Soviet.

But THAT your little hasbara brain could not take, could it, hasbara troll?

Coming back to the OP.

Frequent liar Alan Dershowitz pens a smear article in Sunday's Jerusalem Post, in which this passage cought my attention:


I'm still rubbing my eyes. He thinks it would have been understandable to create a Jewish state out of Poland because it was a collaborationist nation????!!!!!

In the States he should be asked to explain himself publicly.

Dershowitz is such an unbearable, self righteous, biased arsehole...I once watched him at the Doha debate...gah!

Now Poland is a collaborator nation and the poor Palis played a big part in the holocaust...yeah...sure... Dershi got it in once again...

I think you misunderstood his point. He's not saying that this would be understandable. On the contrary, he's criticizing this idea which he attributes to others. The focus of his argument is about something else entirely. He's arguing that Arab leaders were not entirely innocent in the holocaust. (Personally, I think that's also irrelevant, since we didn't return to Israel to punish the arabs, but because it was our homeland.)

Yehudi? What exactly makes the ME your homeland?

You left it 2000 years back. Lots of tribes wandered during these times...should they all now too demand their old haunts back?
Ever heard of the european "Völkerwanderung"?
Whole Europe on the move away from the invading huns?
What's the difference between them any the Jews?

That's a good point. It's reached fever pitch and emotion prevails over reason. I remember reading an article saying that Kosovo could never be Serbian like Jerusalem is to the Jews. The overwhelming support is for Israel to be the home of the Jews but BB is asking some good questions.

Biblical significance?

G-d made it our homeland back then, and we lived in it for about 2000 years till we were forced out.


And since then we've made it clear that we still claim it, and every nation we lived with made it clear that they wished we'd go back to it.


If the Visigoths were around today you could ask them. But they aren't. We are, and that's a big difference.

Ha, ha - good response, Yehudi!

That's one of the reasons why I like Jews - they're smart people.

Toda mikol halew for the good laugh :-)

Dershowitz represents Jews very very poorly. After listening to any one of his 'talks', one walks away hoping that all Jews are not like him (of course they are not but the impressions this man leaves are so negative).


Maybe G-d changed His mind about the homeland? I've often thought that Florida would make for a good Jewish homeland; it's a lot safer, has friendly Cubans, and all that military money could be spent on alligator leather goods.

Well, obviously He didn't seeing as Jewish people are back in their homeland
and some things that they accomplished are nothing short of a miracle :)

Looks like God stayed faithful to His covenant with Jewish people, because
all this time they stayed faithful to Him.


Canada would make for a good Bulgarian homeland and Sweden would
make for a good Peruvian homeland, so? ;)

Oh puleeeze....
If in Germany one breaks into another ones appartement, destroys the furniture and forces the family living there to leave at gunpoint and says he has a right to do it because God told him so the people in the white coats would get called immediately, you can bet on it.


Well..I would then start with good long look in the mirror if I were you to find the reason for that!


Yes, the Visigoths immigrated, assimilated and made themselves good and valiant members of their new communities in all this time.
Big difference!

You all belong onto the couch of a good psychatrist...really!
"God told us" Hah! What an argument!


2000 years being the worlds pariah? Believing to be "God's chosen"? What is smart about it? I call that pretty stupid...look what it got them.

If I would believe in the bible fairytales I would be pretty p*issed by now being a Jew! :(

who forced you out?

it wasnt that peaceful man who declared himself a prophet was it?

They are smart people individually. Sometimes it is possible for people from some country
to be quite decent and smart as individuals but in the course of history to act like lunatics
as a nation. I could give you an example of such country not very far from Poland :)

It's not the case with Israel though - they know what they're doing.

Besides - you have to respect them for their constant faithfulness to their beliefs
and culture. Many other nations would lose their identity, not having their own
country for 2000 years, they didn't.


It got them their own country back, with their ancient language alive again
and their culture and religion flourishing.


You only think so, because you're neither Christian nor a Jew so you can't look
at things from proper biblical perspective (just as neither Yehudi nor I can look
at life from the perspective of your pagan cult).


I do believe they are "God's chosen" because I'm Christian and that's what Bible
tells us. They were Chosen by God and they were faithful to him. Unfortunately
when the time came, they were unable to accept the fullness of God's revelation
in Our Lord Jesus Christ and sticked to their partial, incomplete revelation (it had
a lot to do with their pride and politics but that's a subject for a different thread).

It doesn't change the fact that they are chosen and their old covenant with God
is still valid. When the Day of Judgement comes, God will surely take that into
account.

On the side note, BB, when the Day of Judgement comes, you'll be pretty fuc*ked
if you continue with your pagan praying to trees, fire, earth or whatever your cult
worships instead of the only, true God.

I only wrote it, so if God asks me about you I'll be able to say:
"Hey, I warned the cu*nt - it's not my fault he didn't listen" :)