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Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #121
I could give you an example of such country not very far from Poland :)

Yeah...these pesky Belgians...I tell ya! :)

and that's what Bible
tells us.

...it's useless to discuss with religious zealots.
One can only hope they join the real world sooner or later.
Just saying, it never brought anything good to the people and Israel better get's his act together soon or they are to become pretty isolated/driven out once more.

The time where a country could make policy because "God told them to" and still be an accepted member of the world community is long gone...

On the side note, BB, when the Day of Judgement comes

ROFL
Can't wait to show him the finger!

I only wrote it, so if God asks me about you I'll be able to say:

Sure...God and Torq meet and what do they chat about??? Little 'ol Bratwurst...suuuuuure!
Torq  
29 Jul 2009 /  #122
...it's useless to discuss with religious zealots.
One can only hope they join the real world sooner or later.

...it's useless to discuss with godless people.
One can only hope they see the light of truth sooner or later.

Can't wait to show him the finger!

You remind me of this man, who was on his boat sailing on a lake when
thunderstorm started. When he saw that, he started shouting:
"Come on, God - hit me! If you're so powerful, hit me with your thunder!".
The next second thunder hit him :) Any relative of yours, BB?

Sure...God and Torq meet and what do they chat about???
Little 'ol Bratwurst...suuuuuure!

Every minute of one's life will be reviewed during the Judgement Day, that's why
it is my duty as a Christian to at least try to convert someone, who openly admits
he's a pagan. You seem like a hopeless case at the moment, but history has seen
greater conversions, no worries :)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #123
Okay...you've tried...can I subscribe somewhere so you have something to show "him"? :)
Torq  
29 Jul 2009 /  #124
There's no need. He knows everything.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #125
You sure? *makes secretly a naughty gesture*
Torq  
29 Jul 2009 /  #126
You sure?

Quite sure.

*makes naughty gesture*

Hmmm... "makes naughty gesture"?

Do you also feel bad when looking at crucifixes and churches and you feel urge to make
naughty gestures and swear? Do you feel like something is telling you to do that?

Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio, contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto
praesidium. Imperet illi Deus, supplices deprecamur: tuque, Princeps militiae caelestis,
Satanam aliosque spiritus malignos, qui ad perditionem animarum pervagantur in mundo,
divina virtute, in infernum detrude. Amen.

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #127
Do you feel like something is telling you to do that?

It's not me saying that God is speaking to me, hearing voices, ordering me to do things....:)
Torq  
29 Jul 2009 /  #128
Of course. By the look of things it certainly isn't God speaking to you...

Next time the voice tells you to make a naughty gesture or blaspheme against God,
DON'T LISTEN TO IT! The voice you hear belongs to a liar - father of all lies.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #129
Well...I surely don't need a voice telling me to do things and then slavishly to follow these imagined orders...I as a Pagan have a free, independent will to show everybody the finger (or not).
Torq  
29 Jul 2009 /  #130
I as a Pagan have a free, independent will to show everybody the finger (or not).

You have a free will not as a pagan but as a human being. Every man was given
a free will by God whether he believes it or not.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #131
Every man was given
a free will by God whether he believes it or not.

Then why the whole bible thumping in the first place?
Torq  
29 Jul 2009 /  #132
How does the Bible contradict our free will? Bible is a message to us from God and using
our free will we can chose to either believe the message or not.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #133
How does the Bible contradict our free will?

Oh please?
As if Bible, Torah, Koran not determine for their believers what is "good" and what is "wrong".
There is not much difference between an arch catholic and an islamist Taliban.
Some centuries back you would probably had burned me on the stake for my "blasphemy".

Europe was very well happy with their old customs till Christians came and terrorized the people into the new religion.
Your christian wars costs millions their lifes and brought countless misery for centuries to the people.

Your bible and "free will", thanks for the good laugh!
Glad seeing you zealots now leaving slowly but surely...about time!
And look! We pagans are still here...:):):)
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
29 Jul 2009 /  #134
As if Bible, Torah, Koran not determine for their believers what is "good" and what is "wrong".

You say that like it's a bad thing. What should, convenience?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #135
It was a bad thing for every non-believer, doubter, scientist, pagan...could become very quick very deadly! So much for "free will"...

Do you for example want to live under Taliban rule? They telling you what is "right" or "wrong" according to their book? Punishing you if you don't act like it?

Go figure, that's how Pagans felt as the Christians came... "free will" my a*ss!
yehudi 1 | 433  
29 Jul 2009 /  #136
Toda mikol halew for the good laugh :-)

You're very welcome. I'm impressed with the hebrew.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
29 Jul 2009 /  #137
Bible is a message to us from God and using
our free will we can chose to either believe the message or not.

If we "choose" we go to heaven.
If we "choose" not we go to hell.
How is that a choice.
It seems more like a terrorist threat to me.

Europe was very well happy with their old customs

What makes you say that?.
Torq  
29 Jul 2009 /  #138
not determine for their believers what is "good" and what is "wrong"

Yes - of course they tell the bleievers what is good and what is wrong, but at the same
time the believers can choose to do "wrong" instead of "good" using their free will.

It is obvious - if I wanted I could convert to paganism, dance around the trees and worship
cows, chicken or whatever, because I have a free will. However, I choose to be a Christian,
that's my choice.

There is not much difference between an arch catholic and an islamist Taliban.

You would find that there is a lot of difference if you lived for one year in a catholic
country, let's say Poland, and one year in an islamic country, like Saudi Arabia for example
trying to practice your paganism. Yes - you would truly feel the difference between
catholicism and islam.

Gotta beat it lads - will check this thread when I come back. See you!

EDIT:

I'm impressed with the hebrew.

Oh, I only know some basics. I would like to learn more one day.

If we "choose" we go to heaven.
If we "choose" not we go to hell.
How is that a choice.
It seems more like a terrorist threat to me.

Will explain that later.
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
29 Jul 2009 /  #139
It was a bad thing for every non-believer, doubter,scientist*, pagan...could become very quick very deadly! So much for "free will"...

Really? Okay, so, hypothetically speaking: if no part of the Ten Commandments were ever written into state law, you'd be happy with that, right?

*double errwhat. Every scientist, my ass. Where do you think science would be now if it weren't for the Catholic Church?

If we "choose" we go to heaven.
If we "choose" not we go to hell.
How is that a choice.
It seems more like a terrorist threat to me.

This is like asking the difference between a feudal monarchy's serfdom and modern Free-Market system.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #140
What makes you say that?.

It was a way of thinking, of seeing and explaining the world around them, of customs and traditions, which has grown for millennia with the people, with the land...it fit them like a glove.

The middle eastern import was so strange and foreign to the european natives! It was a crime!

Where do you think science would be now if it weren't for the Catholic Church?

Astronomers burned or terrorized? Denial of the Evolution? "God made the world in 6 days" anybody???

Now it get's ridiculous!:)

Ever heard of the Sky Disc of Nebra?
Pagans already used astronomy for their harvesting 3000 years back...
dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1915398,00.html

if no part of the Ten Commandments were ever written into state law, you'd be happy with that, right?

Nothing new to what the germanic tribes had already long before their agreed rules and their own law system. Problems and fights were discussed at a Thing long before the bible was written.

Even the wise women had their high status (which Christians liked to burn later as witches).

You would find that there is a lot of difference if you lived for one year in a catholic
country, let's say Poland, and one year in an islamic country, like Saudi Arabia for example
trying to practice your paganism. Yes - you would truly feel the difference between
catholicism and islam.

Well...the christian church of today isn't what she is used to be.
The rampage she was on for more than 1000 years is coming to an end, inclusive stake burning, drowning of women, religious crusades, killing whole peoples, religious wars, terrorizing of all dissidents etc.etc.

The western, modern world is becoming more and more secular, most people no longer giving a rat's ass about what some old tosser in the Vatikan says or thinks.

The Islam is where the Catholics were during the middle ages...they too will come along in another century or two.

You are much more similiar to each other than you want to. But maybe it needs an outsider to see that...
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
29 Jul 2009 /  #141
It was a way of thinking, of seeing and explaining the world around them, of customs and traditions, which has grown for millennia with the people, with the land...it fit them like a glove.

AAaawwweee BB, you are a sentimental romantic, it is kind of nice for a change on here from the rest.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #142
AAaawwweee BB, you are a sentimental romantic,

Heh...most Pagans are...:)
Pan Kazimierz 1 | 195  
29 Jul 2009 /  #143
Astronomers burned or terrorized? Denial of the Evolution? "God made the world in 6 days" anybody???

Are you a Dan Brown reader? Astronomers burned or terrorized, really? Give me some examples.

Nothing new to what the germanic tribes had already long before their agreed rules and their own law system.

So why complain?

Well...the christian church of today isn't what she is used to be.

The "Christian Church"... ha ha, funny! Yeah, every problem ever caused by a people who believed in one God, just call it the Christian Church and blam-o! Generic villain heap.

It doesn't seem to occur to you that the Catholic Church was the stabilizing force that made scientific advancement and intellectual progress possible in the Middle Ages... you'd no doubt be happier if Europe were now in the position of Africa, because that's probably what would have been the case without the Church. Unless you believe that European genes are just better, or German pagans simply superior to African ones, in which case, yeah, sure go ahead and think that. Whatever.

I mean, you do know that science costs money, right? Who do you think paid for ways to make the lives of the common man easier and more fruitful in the times when fuedal lords were duking it out over who gets more serfs to run their profit? Lemme guess, Pagans? Hell, even Copernicus was a clergyman. He dedicated his book to Pope Innocent III! He had it published through the Church... is this lost on you?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #144
It doesn't seem to occur to you that the Catholic Church was the stabilizing force that made scientific advancement and intellectual progress possible in the Middle Ages...

Yeah.....sure....lifelong house arrest for Galileo, burned at a stake for Giordano Bruno...Darwin...even Copernicus....my what a light the church was for all researcher and truth seeker! :):):)

A "stabilizing force" in the same sense like a "graveyard peace" is some kind of a peace too..

...Copernicus' publication On the Revolution of the Celestial Spheres was not published until after he died in order for him to avoid being persecuted by the Church. Often called the Copernican Revolution, this actually was not much of a revolution. The book was published in Latin, so the general public was not able to read it. Academics could, but few learned people were willing to face the Church and risk death. It wasn't even until 73 years after it was published,[b] 1616, did the Church consider it important enough to place on its Index of Prohibited Books...

Listening to you Kaz one could wonder what the infamous Inquisition was for if all were so happy together...

Hell, even Copernicus was a clergyman.

Everybody had to...it was not as if the church left the people with much choices.
If they wanted to avoid getting tortured and killed in the name of God (all for their own best of course).
Babinich 1 | 455  
29 Jul 2009 /  #145
Yeah.....sure....lifelong house arrest for Galileo, burned at a stake for Giordano Bruno...Darwin...even Copernicus....my what a light the church was for all researcher and truth seeker! :):)

This was not Christianity; these were men acting out for their own good at the expense of others.

Similar to Hitler and Germany.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #146
This was not Christianity; these were men acting out for their own good at the expense of others.

Well...it was in the name of the christian god with the bible as kind of witness because said scientists didn't heed what was written in the "holy" book, daring to doubt it (a punishable thing to do)...it was a very christian affair!

Yes...comparable to a dictatorship.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
29 Jul 2009 /  #147
You religious folk are strange, my God is a Christian God, my God(s) are/is (a) Pagan God(s).

There is no God, so you can all just relax.
Babinich 1 | 455  
29 Jul 2009 /  #148
it was a very christian affair

No, the persecutions had nothing to do with Christianity but everything to do with power.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,204  
29 Jul 2009 /  #149
Well...the whole christian dictatorship over Europe for much of the last millennia HAD everything to do with power, tell me something new.
They are losing it now...fast...
Babinich 1 | 455  
29 Jul 2009 /  #150
They are losing it now...fast...

Yeah, throwing away the baby with the bath water. Goodbye Europe...

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