Polish-Hungarian friendship - reality till today or just a phantasmagoria

Turks have come from Turkmenistan.Arabs have come from Arabia,Mesopotamia.They are distinct populations.The Turks came from central Asia 1000 years ago,while the Arabs existed in Middle East at least in the last 20000 years.


Yes,but the majority of population there was slavic,and the slavic element prevailed(of course not completely) genetically although in terms of language prevailed the magyar element.

I'm not sure about Hungary but Poland didn't take part in that sh*t.

I have worked with Hungarians and Poles in the same place at the same time on the same job... simultaneously, together and concurrently. There was no fighting and all was good!


Not really. There was a relatively small number of Huns, Avars and Magyars (a tribal confederation from various parts of the steppes) who moved into an area with a Slavic population.

Hungarians are not Slavs, but as far as non-Slavs go, they are more Slavic than most. Some Slavs, particularly Russians may be just as Slavic, if not less sop than Hungarians, but their language is Slavic. Slavs, however, were never an entirely homogeneous group - their ancestry had always overlapped with neighbouring peoples anyway.

AFAIK Hungary's part in that sh*t was nothing more than give free run to NATO to use their air-space... Hungary didn't send troops or anything, only after the military actions they send some "peacekeepers" (I don't know the correct expression)

thank you, thank you for explanation

Infact I am not such a big slavic, aryanic or any racial commentator...

BUT why will they be offended?... this didnt go along well with me...sorry.

but after bombardement and after Kosovo occupation, stupid Sikorski (it must be him), sent Polish troops deeper on Serbian ground across the Kosovo administrative border (South of Serbia) as support to American marines

Serbian army and border police were prepared to stop the Americans but when our commanders sow Polish flags, they decided to retreat to avoid conflict with them (not because they were scared but because it was abominable to them to fight against Poles)

as a result one vilage stayes unprotected and was devastated by Americans. Polish soldiers didn`t humiliate vilagers, only Americans

There is a link about it on the Net. i`m curios is it Polish public informed about it

Can you forward the link? This is very interesting stuff.


I did not hear about.


Well said Osiol.

Marek or Shelley, how can you guys explain the fact that Poles and Hungarians have the highest number of R1a? Why is it so hard to grasp the concept that a smaller nomad group from Asia (Huns) moved into Europe, were eventually displaced by Goths, and finally settled in Central Europe, in a largely Slavic area.

How could there NOT be any interbreeding?

Osiol and others, obviously considerable intermarriage between Hungarians and their neighbors took place over the centuries, hence the very presence of such voaculary in everyday Hungarian (not to mention that influences of Romanian, actually Dracian and Wallachian).

Nonetheless, the Hungarians are both ethnically as well as linguistically more Western than Eastern in their entire world view! Witness the strong presence of Austro-Hungarianism from the Old Empire. To this day, German as a second language is far stronger in Hungary than in most of Eastern and Central Europe, perhaps with the exception of the 'Slavic' Czech Republic, e.g. the famous 'Prague German' still heard until now amongst elderly people and also the language of Kafka.

Marek to be honest you don't understand Hungarian or Czech politics. :)

Current Hungarian gov is formed form pro Russian post-commies. Central and right part of political scene is wants closer cooperation between some countries in region. Fortuantely post-commies governments are so unsuccesful ...

Czechs have more problems with furious Bavarians form Monachium claiming Sudety their land ... they are more pro Russian. Their president is very anti-european and has pro american views.

You see what you want to see.

I'm quite familiar with the political tensions between various European states! You're correct in what you state, and precisely because of the geopolitical situation, certain cultural/linguistic minorities have always held sway.

Of course Czechs are more pro-Russian. Rather than demonizing Russians, The Prague Uprising of '68 actually deepened the relationship between the two countries, admittedly more a love than hate affair!--:)

-:) they don't demonize Russians in speeches but they build part of American-NATO shield in their country.
Their president said that it is better to "hold eggs" in two baskets (EU USA) than in one basket (EU)


You see that our region has similar history.

Mr. Kundera seems to think so too--:)

editorsweblog.org/analysis/2008/10/covering_the_accusations_of_milan_kunder.php

"The article claims that an authentic police report, over 50 years old, has resurfaced from the Communist security agency's archive. The report implicates Czech author Milan Kundera. Kundera is accused of denouncing Miroslav Dvoracek, who was a university student in Prague. The denunciation led to his imprisonment for over 14 years. "

I don't know what are you trying to say ? :)

Is the article referring with the antecedent 'his' ('his imprisonment') to Mr. Kundera's imprisonment or Mr. Dvoracek's?

I simply meant that 'The Unbearable Lightness of Being' was for me not only a deeply moving film, but also a time capsule of the 'Praha viosna'.

It was my mistake I thought you were refereing to current debate in Czech rep I don't know details of this case. Now I know what you meant.

Yes,because the german occupators made the old generation speak german obligatory and abolished czech language from universities and public sector.
There is also the famous ''Prague Russian''.

The only difference there is that 'Prague Russian' was/is a code expression for occupied language and not a literary genre, a la Herr Kafka et al-:)

Charactaristics of so-called 'Prager Deutsch' are an elevated usage, out of keeping with true 'German' vernacular and an arch pronounciation, almost that of a foreigner who learned to speak German too correctly, so that it doesn't sound quite natural to a native German!

Maybe offended is a strong word, but my ex used to get annoyed when people automatically thought he was Polish when in fact he is Hungarian....Im not prepared to go in to any further detail other than to say he was displeased about it and so were his friends.

I can empathize with Shelley's ex. Hungarians are exceptionally proud of their 'separate' ethnicity, language and culture. Why should they be confused for Slavs, as in fact, their individual identity has been that which has kept them going for the past thousand or so years, since Arpad first set foot on the basin which is today known as 'Magyarorszag'?

On the one hand they claim to be brothers with Poles,on the other hand they are insulted being called Poles.

"On the one hand they claim to be brothers with the Poles....."

.......yes, for political reasons we are all quite willing and ready to call even our hated enemies 'brothers', yet what does it really mean in the end? Brotherhood is an organization of expedience; when it's convenient for instance for the Germans to call the Dutch their brothers, the Finns and the Estonian etc. I'm as sure that they too will jump on the bandwagon of convenience as I am of my own name.

Don't be naive, Southern. Politics makes strange bedfellows (..and even stranger brothers--:) )

This is irrelevant. What the **** are you smoking? Hungary and Poland have had good relations throughout their existence. They very rarely shifted diplomatic stance.
The fact that the man was offended by being called a Pole is more likely being proud of his heritage, not of some lack of respect for Poland.

But you always said Germans are "germanized" Slavs anyhow!
How could that happen? Who are these mysterious Germans who germanized Slavs and then became the Germans with only the one goal in mind to torture poor Slavs????

That is to much for me....have to lay down....head hurts....

Filios, first off I don't smoke! I tipple some, that's true, but only around the High Holidays--:)

While Poland and Hungary have certainly enjoyed good diplomatic relations, blood is thicker than politics. As my former example, Finland and her Scandinavian neighbors too have enjoyed relatively 'good' diplomatic relations over the past several decades, yet a Finn will adamantly remind you that he/she is NOT a Swede, Dane or Norwegian, but a Finn of distinct ethnic and linguistic heritage. An even worse insult though, I've been told, is to confuse a Finn with a Lapplander or Saami!

Finns get agitated if they are mistaken Swedes thats for sure, but not so much if they get mixed with Norwegians or Danes. There are no jokes about Norwegians or Danes in Finnish. But there are several (usually gay) jokes about Swedes.


Are you sure ? Most people havent even heard about the Saami.

To kabsci, how is pan-Turanism doing in Hungary nowadays ?
There is going to be an overlap with Crows Slavic Union if Turanian Union ever happens ? ;)

Max, the one I heard was about the Swede and the Finn locked in a seven-hour poker game of the one staring down the other before declaring victory.Finally, the Swede can't stand it any longer and blurts out, thereby breaking the silence for what seemed an eternity, 'Pair of aces?'.The Finn's response, 'JUST SHUT UP AND DEALl!!!--:)

Yes,the Hungarinas try to differ from the rest.At least it was called ''the Austrohungarian Empire'',not the ''Austrohungaroczechoslovakosloveniocroatopoloukrainian Empire''.

Don't laugh, but not too long ago there was talk about a sort of Middle European 'Nafta-style' agreement within the EU to isolate certain countries with similar economies and cultures into an economic "social club", among them Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovenia and one or two more. The common language would be English and the euro, the currency.--:)-:)! It even had a catchy name, but I've since forgotten.

Guess it never panned out.

that joke is one of the hmmm...decent ones :)


you missed Ruthenians and Romanians