Countries in Europe where abortion is allowed/not allowed?

it is yes ...

but abortions can be carried out at the minute in the UK upto week 24 of a pregnancy.
and there is talk of lowering it!!!!

BPAS are the main UK provider of clinical abortions after a referral by GP/Doctor. bpas.org is their website.


true on this quote which technically means its a human being.

nothing - I am just expressingmy opinion, like yourself hun.
I don't like your swearings, that's all:) You like to stirr trouble and I don;t like it:)

yeah... but it beats celeb big brother... hang on... what time is it...?

Wow do people actually watch that rubbish?

research for my phd in group behaviour... as is posting on this forum...

No i dont watch reality tv shows because in my opinion they mess up an individuals life and some people just seek out their 15mins of fame and you should be happy with whom you are and what you have in life instead of chasing something that just isnt meant to be!

really? That's cool. These shows are just horrible experiments. I think they should do away with editing though.

if this is directed at my post then the answer is no... im in a malicious mood tonight...

[hope no one is taking my posts seriously]

likewise:)

what PHD are you doing Bubba? and Miranda ?

I am hoping to do either Psychology and Sociology combined from September part time to fill in my time at home when little one is asleep :)

it has been lowered!...keep up with the news!


no it wasnt downs...they test for all sorts...the tests came back on a scale that was higher than normal, which can idicate so many things, then there are other tests that they do...

Guest made her choice, myself as a female, I personally think it was made too late, 20 weeks is irrisponsible from a womans pont of view, Giles...you are not a woman so please dont comment...you have no right...but I do believe that a women has right to chose....as I have said the women will end up with a life long committment....And I will not condemn a women for her actions...

FOR THE BENEFIT OF AMATHYST .... TAKEN FROM THE BPAS WEBPAGE
Abortion options in early pregnancy:

Early Medical Abortion (up to 9 weeks)
Medical Abortion (9-20 weeks)
Manual Vacuum Aspiration Abortion (up to 10 weeks)
Vacuum Aspiration Under Local Anaesthetic
(7-10 weeks)
Vacuum Aspiration Under General Anaesthetic
(7-14 weeks)

Abortion options after 14 weeks of pregnancy:
Medical Abortion (9-20 weeks)
Surgical Dilatation & Evacuation Abortion
(15-19 weeks 6 days)
Surgical Abortion (19-21 weeks 6 days)
Surgical Abortion (22-23 weeks 5 days)
Medical Induction Abortion (19-23 weeks 5 days)

ABORTION IN THE UK IS UPTO 24 WEEKS I STAND CORRECT!!

oh we were both trying to be funny. I am only doing my degree in sociology, no PHD yet:)
Good luck with your studies in the future:)

and good luck with your studies too Miranda :)

thanks:)

Was it Alpha-fetoprotein? <~Alpha Phetoprotein? <~cant spell tonight.

Im going to google this for spelling now cause its bothering me..

If its true its SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!

Way too long!

Embryo peels pain at that time so its unacceptale by me and Im all for abortion and free choice till 12 week. Later its too late.

I have no respect for a girl that posted earlier about her 2 abortions and with second she waited so long to force her boyfrient to marriage. Shocking.

I have no compassion for such people because of them there is common veiw on abortion like its now - that its a bad thing. But not always, its bad in this girls case definitely and she shouldnt judge everyone with her experiences. She did awful thing, waiting too long to force boyfriednd to marriage, and she feels pans of conscience now, rightly so!

Amathyst, have you ever been pregnant?

You stupid cow, it takes two to tango and I never wanted to force hi into anything.

And guess what - he married me anyway! Oh, yeah, I am still with the same guy. And guess what I never forced him.

Have you ever been pregnant? If not keep your stupid mouth shut.

I didn't post to get sympathy or respect, I know it was wrong. I was young and immature, I made the wrong decision. I posted because I wanted other girls who mauy be in a similar situation to know that abortion is not a simple process. 12 weeks or 20 weeks - little difference. Learn some biology and find out what a baby looks like at 10 -12 weeks. Abortion is wrong in my opinion except for medical reasons ie when the mothers life is endangered or the baby's. a friend of mine had to have an abortion because she had cancer and she had to start treatment straightaway.

Do you know how many abortions take place in the UK every year? And in Poland?
I think there are lots of stupid girls out there, I am not alone. Basically, we both did iot but I carried the can. Understand now, you stupid cow! Funny you didn;t say you had nop respect for my b/f and yet he was the older, wiser one.

What do you mean I shouldn't judge everyone? Who am I judging.

Are all Polish girls so opinionated? Thank Goodness I am British!

Stop calling people a cow. You sound very immature. You have to understand that that not many people are going to be sympathetic to your story. Once is ok, but twice?

And I haven't been pregnant either :)

I changed my mind, for ppl like you abortion should be allowed always and everywhere, please dont make children as patetic and brainless like you.

12 or 20 weeks? Thats a huge difference. I think you are the one who sould go to biology lessons.

Yes you are judging - you wrote that abortion is a bad thing - not for everyone, there are millions stories in this world but your story shows that your abortions were an awful thing.

PS. You may be infertility now after 2 abortions

PS2. pans of conscience - enjoy them, you deserve it

This is a touchy subject, prob should just close, as much as there are people for it
theres people against it.

Ola, I understand what your feeling, but so does Guest. shes now older and
has much more to deal with for the rest of her life. we cant see the pain thru
a computer screen.

When I was 18 weeks I had the alphafetoprotein test, which was three times higher
then the normal, signaling something very wrong. the two main things that my
doctor said was Spina-bifida, and or downs.

spina bifida is devastating. you can still carry full term, but chances of the baby
living were grim. I had a amnio done, which showed some bleeding, and the
spine connected. they later told me all tests were fine.

had this been spina bifida, yes, termination of the pregnancy was thought of.

That was a very serious, stressful time, because I never believed I would ever
in my life think of abortion for any reasons what so ever.

I am Pro-life. Circumstances in our lives change how we would do things.
Guest had admitted her wrong, she is living with it, but who are we to say or
judge her actions, she was young, very unsure, and the father was not helping
her to make decisions together. nor did he sound very happy.

I for one remember the pain I felt when I was told this news of spina bifida.

the second time I felt such pain was when I was in a emergency room with
my daughter, whom was only a year after birth. watching them attempt to put
a iv in her head as every vein was blowing and her sugar was only 8 !

watching them bring a crash cart out as they were getting ready for cardiac arrest!

I never want to judge/hate, and sometimes we cant conceal our anger, but
My pain subsided, I still have my daughter , two lovely ones, and every time
I think of Pain /harm coming to them, I think I would not want to live.

so put yourself there for a moment, this is what guest is going thru. like so many
others who had to make these choices and now feel Pain/regret.

Now I go take a break, as I cant see from tears, sorry folks.

hugs.

more fool you

yes I have been pregnant, I miscarried

As a man who is no longer allowed to comment, I just like to repost a few comments made by caring sensitive women, firstly Ola.

"changed my mind, for ppl like you abortion should be allowed always and everywhere, please dont make children as patetic and brainless like you."

Gosh what a pleasant person you are Ola, who understanding.

And then for the wonderful ever correct Amaythst,

"....And I will not condemn a women for her actions... " And yet had posted earlier.

" see you waited 20 weeks the second time, that's just irrisponsible!!! as for your mental health you made your choice, live with it there is nothing you can do to change what you did. ".

So both Ola and Amathyst have become the Jade Goodies and Ex-Miss Britians, of this Big Brother forum.

Congratulations no doubt your humanity and forgiving natures will shine through for other posters.

I dont have to forgive anything because she did nothing to me. She hurt herself with her irresponsibe life and dont tell me that she was young blah blah because Im only one year older than she when she had 2nd abortion. You are 18 you are grown person and have to take resposibility. As I said Im all for abortion, this is sometimes the only choice, but removing embryon that is 20 weeks old only to force boyfriend to marriage and having excuse "I was a poor student" is nothing less than shocking.

As for being pleasant at least I didnt call anyone stupid cow even if she deserves it.

stupid cow is hardly an insult.

However, attacking a woman who has freely volunteered personel information is in my humble insulting. I see little female solidarity here, which is sad.

since when did you become her mother ola?

you know, theres alot of people who love to turn back time, change the clocks
do things they wished they had.

or simply live their lives differently now. this choose your own path is the same as
the white picket fence theory! it dont happen, we dont play the lottery and win
at every game we play, same goes for life.

if I walked my neighborhood, I am sure I would find many a skeltons in many
a closets. but Im not looking for that, nor would I condem someone for making
wrong choices, as this could be me someday saying this.

not bringing up the subject of religion again, but one of the reasons I didnt
go to church, as well as the others I stated in other posts was when I went
to get my daughter baptised catholic. the priest says, well we have to see you
participating, and coming for a while, and I asked Why? well because your
circumstances of having (my oldest) out of wedlock, we have to work on forgive
ness?

I was sick, and wanted to spit in his eye, forgiveness? from him?
I went home and spoke with my mom who was still alive , told her what
he said, and you know what her comment was (coming from a devout catholic)

Piss on him!

my point, Man-Women condem. not the good
man upstairs. The good book is about interpreting what you feel.

and if you feel it, you'll do right by him.

I really don't like to judge people..but I can't understand why birth control wasn't used
after the first abortion. I can understand one mistake and the pain of making such a drastic decision but to be so irresponsible to get pregnant so soon afterwards is something I can't understand. I also can't understand why wait so long to have an

abortion unless this person thought that if she waited long enough the father would
give in and change his mind about having a child...and to marry this guy after all you
went though is beyond me. I hope you have a happy marriage and don't go though life
regretting the decisions you made.

I was pregnant when I got married 37 yrs ago..I was 20 yrs old and my hubby was 23.
I have a lot of friends/family that have had similiar situations and they have stood by
their daughters and helped raise the babies. I'm sorry that you didn't have family that
you could turn to for help and moral support.

So its ok doing it for reason she did? Why not wait till 9th month then? Female solidarity has nothing to do with it. The main reason Im so against that it was 20th week, it would be more acceptable for me if it was before 12th when embryon has no nerve system and feels no pain although her reasons are not acceptable. This is no way you introduce boyfriend to marry or be with you.

My understanding of insult is also completely different.


True, thats why she feels she was wrong.

"it would be more acceptable for me if it was before 12th "Ola

But it wasn't was it. Nor ( i hope for you) have you been in such a situation.

"He who is without sin cast the first stone".

well .her other options is to pull a loraina bobbit so that all the decision making
wasnt all her fault, come on ladies.

we as humans are not perfect.

she;s providing it as a learning tool so other young, immature girls/women wont
fall into the same situation she did. its a no brainer this was her intentions.