Should we change the rules to let Poles join the British Army?

AHA!
But I was there in WW2. I fought next to Polish forces in France..They stood shoulder to shoulder with me at, the Northern Shoulder (ELSENBORNE RIDGE ) in the battle of the bulge. If I was to choose a comrade to be at my side, IT WOULD BE A POLE.. For your information I am a American..

I also spent time with Poles as a prisoner of war in Germany.

Thank you, I must say with Polish they fight for what they believe in and if they say they will back you, they will.

What's so funny woman?
Aren't you still whining all over the board about your poooor loss in what is now Russia or Ukraine or whatever???
Harassing them even today for that? You really should shut up!

You folks wanted Danzig? You got it but it didn't came cheap...

Look who's touchie, don't like your country being screwed with. Maybe you should understand my thoughts on "Soviet behavior". At least I didn't accuse you of whinning about your past and tell you to get over it. ;)

Now tell the truth Franek!


She caught a glimse in the mirror!


Glad you got that in before me, you know I get a little over heated at times..Well said Herr Butty :)

Yeah...absolutely!


Because we GOT OVER IT! For us future counts more than old grievances...you should
try it sometimes!

Now thats down right mean, ruffled my feathers. It was worth it to see Brat does have a heart somewhere under all that tough exterior.


I can see you got over it.

That would be like asking a pig to put lipstick on :)

Shelly;
How can I convince you that I am telling you the truth.?
I will look for my telegrams to my Mom from WW2 advising her that I was wounded twice and was reported missing in action.. I still have the original copies from the war department..They are pretty yellow now from age..( So am I )

But they are available if you insist..
Yes sweetie I was there. I was in a little town called Bridport in Dorset,in 1944.. Yep I am a relic. Sorry!

Don't even try, Shelley just likes to start trouble by adding stupid comments. My grandfather was in the 2nd corps I am not sure where he was in 1944.

Propably in Italy.

I do have pictures of him there, I think your right, thanks.

Okay Franek - what was your rank and number?

Yes, but we cant have units like that in peacetime. We had Polish units because both Poland and Britain were fighting Germany and Poland's army had ceased to exist as an independent fighting force. None of these conditions exist now.

OK! Shelly;
Give me a couple of days to get this info into my computer.
I have a digital camera and will take pictures of all of my WW2 records.. I stll have them.. I will send them, to you by a PM. I prefer to keep this between the two of us.. I am not a flag waver. But you doubted my honesty.. Therefore I will present you with official proof from the US War Department.

Celinski!
You can be proud of your Grandfather.. The Polish 2nd Corps fought at Mt Monte Cassino in Italy. It was them that finally took the German position when all oters failed.. They lost over a thousand men but they did it.

They also fought at Operation Market Garden At Arnhem in the Netherlands.. They have an outstanding record

Okay Franek, I believe you, my apologies.

The only reason Britain is struggling to find recruits to join the army is because nobody wants to fight someone elses war. Who wants to risk their lives for Iraqis? Who wants to risk their lives for the Afghans? Nobody gives a crap. It's not Britain's business. If the British Isles were to be attacked you would most definately see a rise in recruits. But not for muslims that couldn't give a rats arse to what happens to Britain.

I am and thank you for the information. He was a target of Stalin after being front line in 1920 (he was very proud of this) and was under Juzef Pilsudski, "Miracle at Wisle".

After amnesty they did have him listed as Polish Forces under British command. He went back to war from Siberia concentration camp when amnesty was granted.

He passed away in 1992 just shy of his 93 birthday. I just thank God he was able to see his Poland free before his passing. It was when Poland regainned her freedom he accepted his military decorations, always refusing them from "Communist Polish goverment".

Actually, some say we owe the Poles over 10% of our RAF successes in WWII. They have changed the law on conscription here, moving towards a position of giving people the right to choose. I'm still sceptical about giving them the right to join the British Army but, in today's global climate, they have a case. If they feel that they want to fight in order to represent British national interests, then why deny them that? After all, variety is the spice of life

When they were attacked last time ? Except WW2... Weren't vast majority of British wars fought away from home ?

If they are living and citizens of the country why are they still referred to as only Polish? I know the one that are in the US are Polish/American's and have full rights. How can they ever feel at home if made to feel like outsiders? One question, can they vote?

Now that depends on how long they have stayed legally within the UK. I cannot vote in Poland yet I contribute to their society, and have done so for the last 4 years.

I think it's healthy to be a bit sceptical/cynical Celinski. As I said, I believe they should have the right in today's current of globalisation but it shouldn't be an across-the-board sweeping right. They should be thoroughly tested b4 any admission is granted. Linguistic skills should also be checked.

I agree, we should make them feel at home but that doesn't include giving them certain priveleges. Some might see joining the army as one such privelege.

Are you a citizen of Poland? Even holding dual should give you rights. IMHO linguistic skills should not be a deciding factor, as I feel they show educational skills vs. uniting the people. Testing for what? Remember most war's are not taking place where speaking english is spoken, it really could come in handy to have the skills.


I guess this is the key. Is there such a rule as to this. Lets face it if they have lived there since 1950 what are the chances they can go back to Poland now? Most have homes and established their lives over 58 years.

Thats a fantastic idea as long as they can speak perfect english, Firstly though it would make sense to get the feral lazy underclass of britain to join first and beat some self respect into them and get them contributing to the economy.

Is that how you see Polish? In the USA every Polish I know speak English. They are known as hard workers. My father spent a few years in England tech school, he was just shy of 18 when they came to the USA and credits alot of learning English prior to leaving from this schooling.

I was referring to the native lazy feral scum of Britain IE the chavculture that live on sink estates throughout the country, never working and claiming every benefit under the sun. In other words if someone has left school and not found a job or gone into further education then they should be forced to join the armed forces, likewise if someone has been unemployed for more than 3 months.

I then think Polish people should be given the opportunity to join, It shouldn't be about where you come from it should be about what you can bring to the armed forces.

My previous comment said nothing about poles being lazy did it? Next time read a little more carefully.

I'm not a citizen of Poland, no. I'm resident here but not a resident in the fullest sense.

When they are being trained, they should understand the instructions being given to them. It could set back the training process otherwise.

We were talking about the Polish, you are right you did not say Polish, you also did not say native.


Three months is not a long time in the US depending on employment in the area. Most of time when making a change in jobs we line up the new job first and sometimes take a week off for a short break.

National Service or forced labour or we could gas them :)


Communication is of the upmost importance in the armed forces - lack of said communication can cause death! I'm actually amazed at the stupidity of that comment. It's quite aparent you've never actually worked in a job where people depend on good lines of communication to keep them alive!

In my personal opinion, I don't think that Poles should be able to join the British army, why the hell would they want to anyway? I wouldn't expect none British person to put their life on the line for my country - most people don't even want to do it for their own!

Shouldnt this be true for the Brits living and working in Poland,should they too be able to speak fluent Polish??

My DAD who was a Polish Immigrant in America spoke broken English.. But he was allowed to enlist in the American Army in 1917.. He served in France,at Verdun.

If the UK is so demanding, Why not Poland.