Polish-Islam Relationship Union

Hey dudes.....What's going on here? This is not a battle.When i first joined this I was determined not to end up quarrelling but i slipped and I can see that almost everybody did.

I'm from egypt and ppl here say that u ppl in europe discuss everything through reason.Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe this can turn into a fruitful discussion if both sides would choose the way they put what they thinK down..I'm not asKing u to b hypocrites..If u heard something about Islam /christianity ,it doesn't have to be true.That was the message

behind the video I sent be4.I'm not expecting u to convert to Islam coz I believe it's true.U too shouldn't b expecting me to dump my religion coz u believe it's false.We r here to set the image clear...

Concerning fornication the punishment is intended to b severe but... What r the conditions???
-He/she has to b married
-There has to b 4 witnesses
-even if the wife or husband who found her/his partner cheating had 4 witnesses but the one who was accused of fornication made a special oath and said he/she is innocent then there will b no punishment and he/she is free and left to face his punishment on the day of judgment.

-If the man/woman who accused his /her partner of fornication failed to get 4 witnesses and he still went on accusing that partner of that sin then he/she will b lashed"don't remember how many times"

*What i believe as a muslim is that those conditions r quite difficult .How can anyone get 4 witnesses to prove that his/her partner was having sex out of marriage"given that they have to see them on the act" Someone may wonder then y is that punishment there when it's almost impossible to b executed.This I believe will prevent fornication from spreading"maybe the word is adultery;i mean cheating on ur partner after marriage"U won't find it in the streets and this will ensure a suitable environment for raising good muslims who r not used to sinning and who r not used to sinnig in public i.e;u won't have whorhouses and ****** down the street.The one who committed the sin stays muslim.PPl make mistakes.This punishment is supposed to purify him as muslims prefer the hereafter to this life.ppl r aware of that and they r still muslims"wonder why!!!!:D"

* As a muslim I believe that condition concerning a witness who did not see them on act and the husband who can not prove anthing and will go on accusing his partner of the sin will save ppl's reputation .

*Someone may say that's not true muslim countries have ****** ,fornication and every sort of sinning in public......I agree,that's coz they don't apply the shri'a "muslim legislation"anymore.

*That's what i believe in ...sure I didn't make that crystal clear coz i'm not a scholar but i hope that may answer som of the questions above.

later...

It's not funny ....and uncivilized..What this man is doing is against Islam.Don't judge Islam through muslims' deeds nowadays,muslims r strangers in their own lands

why are they all fat and strange looking?

are you an atheist?

Strictly speaking, I'm an agnostic, because I don't believe we can prove the nonexistence of God any more than we can prove his existence. But I don't regard the Christian God as any more likely or meaningful than Zeus, Thor, or Ra, so for all practical purposes, yes, I'm an atheist.

i agree with you, i was originally questioning belzi that if we did not research the koran then we were not truth seekers.

A truth seeker, is some1 on a search for the truth that is he does research all threads leading to the truth about something

but the truth about what?

you are still reading someone else's opinion, regardless of the research done.

about the world you live in, buddy.

Hi Dooday

I am also a female Polish convert to Islam. I dont normally like posting much on these forums as to many people are to fast to attack. BTW i also married a Pakistani and ma happily married. I converted way before marriage. I know several Polish converts as well. Please visit my blog: polishmuslim.wordpress.com/

If you have a story on how u came to Islam, can i please have a copy of it, as i am trying to collate stories from Polish converts.

Also for the others who just want to attack and be nasty, please ignore this message as its not intended for you. I love my God, my religon and my life!

Pity elixa will never wear a bikini again.

and her husband will abandon her in the afterlife for 72 catholic nuns

Better than 72 virgins.

Union is ok as long as the muslim marries a chick that is ugly, takes her out of the country and out of the gene pool. Polish chicks are hot but some of them are just butt-ugly. If those two conditions are met you have my blessing.

Socially, Poland is a little behind countries like America and the UK. During soviet occupation Poles weren't exposed very much to anything not "White-European" so at first, blacks felt a lot of racism (some probably still do, sad but true) and Poland is a very Catholic country. They have a huge population of practicing Catholics, so they aren't going to be very friendly to anything other than Christians for a good while.

It's a sad truth, but you have to give Poland time. Anything different tends to scare people, and that's pretty much the situation here. I'm sure after a few years it will be like any other country.

read the second line champ!!!

are you saying that if i read the koran/bible i will know more about the world i live in?

We might be racist but its more words then acts. Their much more attacks in Britain on different races and supposedly their society is so accepting.

So called west countries will preach equality but treat you unequally. Poles preach racism but treat you equally. These of course describe the majority. Poles treat everybody like crap don't feel bad.

Same story, different characters.

I'm a very devout Catholic, but if you are interested in "finding the truth" there are many muslim and buddhist texts you can read, not only Christian.

"The Teachings of Rumi" is an excellent source. It's not something that purely preaches one religion, but preaches about life and how to live it. "Treat others the way you want to be treated" and those kinds of things. Very deep meanings. A personal favorite of mine is "The Goal is One" (which everyone in this thread could learn from if they read it)

Also, Plato's "Republic" is a very good one. Teaches all the same things. Like all things in life, you have to find the answer. It's not just going to be given to you. Everyone has to find their own asnwers, and be happy with it, and not try to belittle others for the answers they found.

i actually grew up in a very devout catholic family with the bible being pushed down my throat so to speak and now want no part of the church. maybe later i will change my view but at the moment, no.

and i am not belittling anyone for anything. my initial response was to the poster that implied to find "truth" we need to read the koran.

bellzi, let me tell you what's programmed. killing innocent women and children, to get 72 virgins in heaven. Making a raped women marry the man that rapped her. Killing your daughter or throwing acid in her face because she not acting like your slave. Telling women they can't go to school. Plus Many Many more exciting things, Islam doesn't teach that. Its your fu*ken culture I have a problem with, not your religion.

pity that elixa has good skin, doctors told her she most likely will never get skin cancer as she is very fair, and pity people tell elixa she looks 10 years younger due to her very good skin, and pity that elixa can wear bikini in the privacy of her own swimming pool but not for the exclusive access of the world to see and perve...umm is it really pity? i think we should pity your ignornace.

Yes Because the uncivilised Kaffurs can only perve right?...

Elixa Just because all muslims are perverts, doesn't make everybody else one. Of course muslim women should wear veils. We wouldn't want them be raped and then blamed for exciting the men.lol

Hmmmm, lotsa bikini wearers in the muslim world. Good they all have swimming pools too.

What is shocking to me is the extend of skin cancer on the muslim world. What is even more intriguing that this form of cancer seems to be attacking women only.

instead of attacking Muslims and Islam, u should be more intelligent and try to have a dialogue. Since i am a Polish Muslim, u could actually try to educate yourself on Islam, except u are unable to open your mind. U know, its good to truely know about what different faiths are about instead of blindly listening to the media, or what others say, such as what is said in church, family, friends etc.

so elixa tell me if this is true, when muslim women get raped, are they not blamed for it. _Are they sometimes forced to get married to the rapist?

I don't get it. I should educate myself about Islam because you're a muslim? What if you were a Wicca? Would I have to educate myself about then? What kind of argument is this? Didn't you mention the word "intelligence"?


So instead we should all listen to you?
Some nerve :)

Absoluetly rubbish. If a Muslim women gets raped, they would try to find the rapist and proper legal proceedings would take place. The rapist would get a severe punishment. The women is innocent. They are never forced to marry the rapist. I dont know where u got this from, but whoever said it are wrong and if someone has done this, its is considered a sin, and of bad character. To force someone to marry a rapist is against Islamic teachings.

We do our best to take precautions against rape, however God forbid should it happen, its not the womens fault, and all the Muslims i know would give her support, shelter if needed, conselling, medical help etc. I know there are many uneducated people out there, but that is in many cultures and places around the world.

I dont judge a religon by its people, but rather by its scriptures.

Elixa I don't believe you for some reason, theirs books on this topic, news stories and refugee accounts. Why would so many people lye their is no reason for it.

Not saying islam teaches this its these peoples culture.

Also on a separate note, what about the honor killings is that myth also.