Polish-Islam Relationship Union

'cause when men see a beatiful woman many and many of them "get interested" - it's normal for some - again, it's human nature. Not everybody strong enough when it comes to seduction either. If you check rape statistic and compare it to countries where Islam is official religion you'd be surprised.

Everything that females use (make up, earings, parfume etc) is just for ONE aim, to draw attention of men, although it's considered now in cocial aspects. Again - this is human nature, evolution needed that. But when you're try to do everything to get men's attention and finally is being chased by drunk machos - who your going to blame for that? They are just what they are - but women are responsible - 'cause seducing (even when you didn't intend doing that) is VERY awful thing - you shove the other one into this and that's what true muslim women is scared - open view of her legs could be the reason why the guy can find himself in a very bad situation one day. (and I'm not talking about bieng stoned to death).

You are the best proof:

Islam - a crappy religion for crappy people!

anyone who uses the words seduce and rape in the same sentence, is IMO the lowest form of life..

Forgive me, but it's in my human nature, should I ever have the misfortune to meet you, to kick you in the most redundant part of your anatomy.

So to Islamists, a woman puts a makeup and it's a signal to them she should be raped. And where the fvck is your allah to stop them from that? What kind of goat herding culture is that?

In a way your statements could be used to defend American insterest in ME oil: "You wrap your heads with towels and wear long dresses so you can't be serious and therefore we'll take your oil from you".

Appaling views, appaling religion for appaling men.

And every normal man preffer to see that than a woman wearing (or rather forced to wear) a damn towel and covered face.


Why not ? Yours do that quite often.

:)

I understand what you feel- I was just like that some years ago. Funny but understandable.

It's very simple - "Hide your beauty from the stranger", - evrybody who feel the need in doing so - followng it. Anybody who don't have a reason for that - just don't do it. I know many muslim girls who don't wear "the towels" as you call it:) They say they don't want - but they admire those who have strength to do so. They pray 5 times a day, they do many things a muslim should do, but no towels - anyway they don't leave a hope that some day they will.

No -makeup is not a signal that one who wears it should be raped - common:)
I didn't want to mislead you - you probably think now that muslim women don't use it:)

Why you had this reaction - I think that you totally disagree with the statement that woman should belong to one man (her husband) and no other men have a right to make any sexual connections with her or anything that may lead to sexual. Then it come these simple rules - you want - you follow. You don't want - up to you. Nobody force you. I know a girl who feels like naked when she don't cover her hair from other men's eyes. She said before when she was wearing tight jeans or this kind of clothes, she felt every men's stares and she said - you will never understand it - cause your not a lady. But again - some women love it - some can't live with that and have to use a shield.

so basically what you are saying is that you dont trust your women and given the chance, a fellow muslim would try and seduce your women.

I totally disagree a human being should belong to anyone. In my cultrue a woman is a human being. A woman is not a dog, a goat, or a sheep. She is a human being. If a woman is not willing then man's dick belongs in his pants, and if he cannot control it the it should be cut off. People's limbs are cut off in your "culture" if they steal, aren't they? Instead of punishing women for being raped, as it is practiced in your ridiculous laws, the attackers should be severely punished.

I never had illusions that islam was a huggable movement, but until I read your posts I didn't realize how perverted it is. And you even try to rationalize and justify rape. Unfvckingbelievable!

1)As far as I am concerned my titties are inadequate
2)I do not envy titties
3)I prefer actually islam style polygamy
4)I prefer not to show my weapon in open view

You are close,indeed.

How about a woman has the right to dress to please herself and no pervert has the God give right to make her feel unsafe or uncomfortable?


Totally agree


absolutely

Don't tell me that there are no Muslim countries and communities where a woman without a towel is in danger.

Not towel,you disrespectful Pole.It is called a hijab.

I prefer to think of it as Unbefvckinglievable! See Expletive infixing. ;)
brokenhut.livejournal.com/284238.html

Bad me... Allah will hit me with a lighting...

TOWEL TOWEL TOWEL !

Here in Germany they call women in Burkas "Penguins"!

Of course - in Tunis it's restricted to wear hidjab in official places.


Completely agree with you


Actually this is very strange - these are the same words that muslim women use when trying to convince non-muslim women that they (non-muslim) have rights as women. Muslim women think that non-muslim lady has no protection from law - she can be beaten by hasband, she can be cheated by hasband - and so on and so on.

Nobody could belong to anybody - you're right. But - when people get married, they take on some responsibilities. If you don't want to bear responsibility - don't get married. If my wife saying taht she is free hguman being and go hit the bars with strangers - that's ok, but I don't like this woman to be my wife - and I have a right toclaim for divorse. Marriage is sacred. That's what I believe in. And vise versa - woman has a right as wife to claim for divorse (despite of that her hasband is free human being). Or you think it's not fair?


My godness:))) Of course you have the right to wear anything! And of course NOBODY has a right to tell you what you have to wear. We talking about women, who feel "unsafe and uncomfortable" wearing tight cloth! And they have a right to hide their bodies also. We are not talking about poor european girls who are forsed to wear hidjab - we talking about muslim ladies who is in danger wearing hidjab in europe.


I really don't know where you get this - of course raped woman is not punished - for what?! If somebody come up to you and hit you on the head, you think you're going to be punished?! I really don't understand who has a perverted vision.. Of course attackers will be punished not a victim.


Never heard about it - once in former soviet union republic I asked why the guy has no finger and got the answer that it was cut off because he was a thief - but it was not islamic country.

And only a chauvinistic pig would say something like this.

Muslims are liars, thiefs, rapists, drug dealers - yet they sit their and preach to the rest of the world on how bad westerners are..


Now, last summer I saw a muslim girl wearing a pair of tight white jeans that left little to the immagination - yet she covered her head. but thats okay?


They feel uncomfortable because of the perverts in muslim countries, because men have little or no respect for women, this is why they fear, it is men who makes them feel so.

As for muslim women in danger who wear the hidjab - I dont think so and if they are its probably because people are scared that there might be a bomb under it! or even a man trying to flee from the country!

Mistake again. If you want to know about something - don't use these sources for get informed. You could see for yourself where the problem is - you rely on other's opinion and thoughts - never do this in case you need a REAL answers for your questions. Of course only in case you need it - if you don't, you may live your life with idea that "don't tell me about Islam - I know all about it - one guy on forum told me what it is" - and you'll be the coolest guy in your company:) Until you clarify your version of Islam to one who knows - oops....

"Now, last summer I saw a muslim girl wearing a pair of tight white jeans that left little to the immagination - yet she covered her head. but thats okay?"

I don't think it's ok but this girl may think it it is - it's her life and she is the one who makes decisions, right?

"They feel uncomfortable because of the perverts in muslim countries, because men have little or no respect for women, this is why they fear, it is men who makes them feel so.

As for muslim women in danger who wear the hidjab - I dont think so and if they are its probably because people are scared that there might be a bomb under it! or even a man trying to flee from the country!"

It would be too simple. The case is, that I was talking to girls, converted to Islam and who is living in Europe - and who is not Muslim born. They are Europeans. ANY man in ANY country will take estimating looks at nice girls - I was doing so before and I thought it was very natural. Everybody doing so. And most of the girls like it - except some that need protection from this.

As for "hidjab wearing danger" - you think it is important to me what is the reasons - because of people's fear of terrorists or anything else? Before I tried to convince my wife not wearing it when we travel to places where hidjab view can provoke a violence, but she has love to God in her heart that is more then fear of being violated. And she is strong in her believe.

Now i come into the conversation :)

Not really.... In all islamic countries, if a woman is raped.. She must gather at least 4 witness to open a judgment....

With that said... Women there are raped even by their uncles/cousins and nothing happen... Really, who is going to gather 4 witness of a rape? :/

I really don't think so - if you need it, I will try to find exact info.

I just found informations myself before posting :)

to find it out, I need to refer to muslim jurisdiction system, caled "Fikh", or ask someone who studied Fikh and have a degree in that. Internet is not a place to look for this kind of informantion.

Nice.. If you are able to, try to find this Fikh information and share please :)
But i also read that on a good brazilian magazine, i was just making sure using internet

I don't think this is the case in all Islamic countries, but it is for some, that implement a particularly extreme interpretation of Sharia. For instance, in a number of states in northern Nigeria, a woman can be stoned to death for having sex out of wedlock, even if she was raped. Under this law, pregnancy is sufficient evidence to convict an unmarried woman of the crime. However, the oath of a man who denies having had sex with a woman out of wedlock is often considered sufficient proof of "innocence" unless four independent and reputable witnesses testify to seeing him take part in the act.

An example was the case of Amina Lawal, in 2003. See Nigerian spared death by stoning.
guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1049766,00.html

Her conviction was overturned on appeal, in part for the truly bizarre reason that, "under some interpretations of Sharia, babies can remain in gestation in a mother's womb for five years, raising the possibility that her ex-husband could have fathered the child."

Dont talk about something u dont know, i think muslims should say what in is in their religion and what is not!! dont need u to emphasize something u just picked from any site.

4 witnesses is when some1 says that a women had a sexual relation with some1 other than her husband i.e cheating. also is a MAN is accused of having some illegal affair, the accuser has to get those 4 witnesses.

ITS BOTH WAYS.


A man is also stoned to death.

Dont try to show every1 here that islam makes man superior on women , because u know nothing about islam and this is not true.

From the Toronto Star...

thestar.com/News/World/article/286282

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia – Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has pardoned a female rape victim who had been sentenced to 200 lashes for being alone with a man at the time of the attack who was not related to her, a Saudi newspaper reported Monday...

The seven men who were convicted of raping both the girl and the man were initially sentenced to jail terms from 10 months to five years. Their sentences were increased to between two and nine years after the appeal.

Strikes me as unfair that the victims in a violent attack should be charged at all. But she was in the company of a man (not her husband) in a car. She must have worked hard to tempt those 7 rapists to attack her in a car. But the man she was in the car with was raped too. So she must have been so very tempting to those rapists, that they couldn't wait, and raped him too. Serves him right.

After so many orgasms why does she need to get stoned?

Barbaric! Dude notices that when any proof is given it is pointed out that it's a minority of these people still prcaticing yet when you see an actual video, the entire city is there for support and join in with stomping on the victim. How can anyone stomp on a little girls head???????? This is disgusting behavior.

What can any Muslim say to this? .....besides the normal retort" you know nothing of islam" ZZZZZ

For the Polish women who wish to convert...

"under the Shah, women cannot leave the country without the written permission of their husbands, rape is more often than not blamed on the woman and a woman's testimony in court has half the weight of a man's". If you value your freedom now, think twice.

Mohammed was a pervert and the koran is a poor immitation of the Tora and the bible the sooner these retards realise this the better......lets see how long a polish woman lasts without her freedom and own identity.

Its no wonder that these people are trying to spread out, since they have been marrying their own relatives for 1000's of years, the gene pool is more like a puddle now..

This is very ignorant and disrespectful statement for muslims.Where has the traditional english tact gone?