Why would Poles want to go to the US and work in a sweatshop when They can come to the UK, Sweden and Ireland and be legal?
You have old news, buddy. They doesn`t want to go to US anymore. And guess what, they living US for Europe. In Europe they can ern much more. Read the papers!
First of all that is cheating. You're hurting not only yourself, but the American Goverment. After about 7,8 months of this "marriage", you get called into the immigration office to apply for a green card. Here they ask you very intimate questions about your marriage and personal stuff. Lot of times they know it's fake.
How long does it take for them to know if they passed the test? Do they tell them on that day or does it take time? And also, would the deportation happen right away if they failed the test?
They tell you to wait three months for a decission, and if you passed the test, you will get the green card in about a year or two.
The deportation doesn't happen right away. They give you a chance to prove to the USCIS that it would be inconvenient for the spouse to leave, so it doesn't always happen.
I wont suggest u do it. As a new member of this forum, and seeing this kind of posts, I have my own question now.
Does every polish girl treat LOVE or FEELING like this? I have a polish friend, now i feel that she did play with my feeling all the time. when she meets someone else, she just leaves a word that "i have no feeling about u now." and disappear from my life. but obviously, your problem is much more serious than mine. anyway, it hurts, a lot.
Yeah. That's pretty brutal alright. I don't think we can generalise here and say all polish girls this... but the same thing happened to me, i've already mentioned it here, but might as well tell you too, my ex told me, as we were going through the whole splitting up thing: "You love me? Well, that's your problem isn't it."
Dunno if it helps or not, but you're not on your own mate. :)
actuly it's nobody's fault. but it's cruel, very very cruel to the one who is still in love with the other one. only hope time will make things better.
Ahhhhh, I see. Do you know when he might surface from the deep?:)
well, if you see him, see if he has access to msn.....did I just highjack a thread? Better get back on track.....Don't marry her....you'd be throwing your life away......just redeemed myself:)
Hey buddy you can not make it ANYWHERE like in the US, here is the real deal. America is by conception a nation of immigrants. Here does not matter where you come from or the color of skin, what matters is if you have what it takes to be a winner.
I live in Chicago and I saw those vans with Polish women. What is wrong about hard work man? What do you think because you come from Europe you are the freaking queen?... you can work your way up of course, but housekeeping is not prostitution, nobody is forcing you to do anything. She can do better of course...
I'll tell this dude... tell them to go to Solex in Belmont Ave and LEARN ENGLISH so they can get better jobs, also tell them to socialize out of their community so they can meet other people and no need to pay the 7,000 bucks for papers.
I can tell you trillion of success stories, of Poles, Irish, Germans, Mexicans and the list would never ended up. I am one myself. After 7 years of being in the number 1 country in the world. I came the US with 50 bucks in my pocket and I made my fortune in Real Estate and the Stockmarket.... you gotta work smart and not hard
Friends of mine immigrate to Europe.... you born poor you die poor specially in that British island the size of the state of Oregon. No social mobility... again if you wanna make it come to the US
I am proud husband of a Polish lady. She is warm, sweet and beautiful. She came like me poor to America but very hungry for success. She used to clean houses, babysit, work as waitress but guess what.... SHE MADE IT. She is now a succesful Real Estate Investor and owns a Nail Saloon, a Restaurant and 2 Spas.
One more comment about the Ilegal Polish lady. Hey this is not fantasyland ok?... that Polish is being honest to you. She can lie and make you think that she loves so she can marry you and fix her immigrant status but she is straight and honest. She tells you I do not love you (I know that hurts) but help me out with papers and I will give you some money. That is a deal, and you can take it or leave it. What is wrong about that? Ok you are lying to the US government and that is bad but on the other hand she has the right to the pursue of her own happiness and as we disccused earlier Europe is not the right place to succeed and be happy. Dude the real answer is on you. You can listen all the crap of a lot of people but listen to your heart and see if you can help her. If you think is worthed do it. Of course protect yourself with a pre-nup and make your 7 grand.
She has the right to pursue happiness anywhere she wants, as long as it follows the laws of the land. Sham marriages are ILLEGAL. Don't get messed up in this crap. I've seen it first hand. Your whole life will be tied up in a giant lie for about three years. Then you have to go to immigration and lie to their face a couple times, all the while holding your own life together, and possibly missing out on someone who really loves you.
I just don't understand why Polish people can work so hard to make a life in America, but they just let their own country go to hell. I guess it's easier to just run away.
Misiu28 said: I just don't understand why Polish people can work so hard to make a life in America, but they just let their own country go to hell. I guess it's easier to just run away.
that's harsh!, sometimes, us American's forget "we" all came from someplace else,
Misiu 28 I am polish, maried to an american for love. Did not run away. Came here 7 years ago and it has been a fight all the way, went to school here, worked, now I have two small kids and I am thinking of going back. I miss family, friends and simple things like delicious bluberries or polish parties. I want to do a fun businss there but people are so discouraging and disgustingly complaining about everything that I am getting scared and second guessing myself.
For the girl who wants to marry for papers - have a sincere talk with her. It is tough in the US without the pepers..life slaps you on every corner and maybe she needs a helping hand.
However, the immigration is a pain so it is up to you if you want to do all that work for $7000. Rent the movie "the Green Card' for fun and to give you an idea.
To contradict myself a bit, i must say that I woul'd be thrilled if my husband had to mess with another woman from the past about fake marriage.
Things could get complex if you met someone after you made that "fake deal" (that's not quite clear either if it is fake on her side??) and suppose met another lovely Polish girl who loved you and you loved her and you did want to get that thing legalized and hurrry up and have lots of little ones. then you would have hands tied behind your back.
well, it is tough
Make sure she really has no feelings for you any more. women don't say what they think..sometimes and Polish women are proud and sensitive.
I had a friend and she struggled in NY without the papers working restaurants, going back to school to prolong her student visa, living in crappy places etc She met someone she cared for but he did not come up with the marriege thing for a few years and they split up. She told me that she was pondering asking him to marry her for papers because you can't ask a guy "marry me for real" but she was afraid that NO would mean the end of their romantic relationship. She moved out of NY to London because she couldn't take it any more. I know he went to London to see her ..so there was something on both sides.
anyway good luck
TO white Sox - Congrats on your American Dream. It is always nice to hear. it is a great place but not everyone is lucky like you. There is plenty of immigrants who work boring jobs, eat themselves to death at their desks or in their cars, live in tough hoods or suburbs, neglect their kids because of their work hours 6-10PM and commut for 3-4 hours a day. I happened to work in courts and saw lots of -call them misfits ...or loosers, or plainly misplaced or maybe greedy or lonely..whatever.
US is great but maybe not for everyone. Have a good one.
Hey buddy you can not make it ANYWHERE like in the US, here is the real deal. America is by conception a nation of immigrants. Here does not matter where you come from or the color of skin, what matters is if you have what it takes to be a winner.
Whatever the propaganda Americans like to tell themselves, the 'American Dream' vanished decades ago. Statistics show that American have poor social mobility and its getting worse. Getting rich in the USA is harder than other countries. Poor people are getting poorer and the super rich massively richer. Being poor in American is worse than any other western country, in every measure of health, well being, education, infant mortality the USA comes bottom of the league. Just one measure, for instance, shows the healthiest American's age 50+ are unhealthier than the poorest, unhealthiest Britons. The Education system, the best aid in social and economic mobility, is designed to suppress the poor by being cripplingly expensive.
Even the minimum wage is the US is half the UK and Ireland's for instance, I'm not saying its ideal but the fact is that is what immigrants are going to get paid.
I could go on, about how US jobs are being shipped abroard to remove an entire class for any sort of future, for instance, but I won't. Unless you are from a very poor third world country (Poland and E.Europe is Second World, BTW) then USA is not the land of opportunity at all.
Hi, i just saw all the conversation concerning that girl, so what i can tell is 1) as it was mentioned above economics of Poland (as well as Russia) is not so well developed as american, so my experience, I live here in Virginia beach, I came as all the students did, J1 visa, I didn't mean to stay, but i did, because for real , it is easier to live here, u,americans should value what u have,believe me, u have a lot of opportunities here, we (people from other countries don't have so much of them), u sit on your ass (not all of u,just some), don't do anything ,complain how life treats u bad, but.. In Russia.. I'll tell u, i lived there, studied, i couldn't get a job because i was not 18 yet, i didn't have a car, because they are freaking expensive, my parents couldn't afford to buy it for me, i didn't have money to buy clothes, it was a very difficult financial situation. When i had a chance to come over here, i did it. I saw how u live here, believe me it's easier.The average income of a common russian employee is 300- 500$ a month, here i get 2100 a month, so i have a chance not to help my mom. .of course, yeah, i work 14-16 hours a day, but it's worthy of it. I understand this polish girl, cause i am in the same situation, i could go back, finish my education, work for 400 a month, yes, i have my family there, in Russia, friends, but after i have seen the way u live here, i just wont accept that way of life i lived in Russia. So, i don't want to stay like a mexican, u know, illegally, i want to work , have a work visa, but, i just got to know that it is impossible right now, the way is, to marry, yes, it sounds terrible to marry smb without feelings, for benefits, but.. that is the way it is.. i wish i could marry WITH feelings on both sides(me and him), so that it will be a real marriage, to live together, to spend time together, to have kids and so on.. But.. What if i didn't find such a man? I don't have time for that, or it will be too late.. I guess that girl has the same feelings. But, yeah, if u have feelings, may be it will break your heart, she will meet u only in an attourneys office, but will spend time with smb else,who she will like, its up to u to decide. Usually how it works, the guy u like will never marry u, even if he loves u, so she has to think, WHAT TO DO!!!! the answer is: to marry smb for documents,to pay.. But its not that easy too. i am not a *****, right now i don't know whether i will be able to marry smb like that, so now i am just thinkin
u sit on your ass (not all of u,just some), don't do anything ,complain how life treats u bad, but.. In Russia.. I'll tell u, i lived there, studied, i couldn't get a job because i was not 18 yet,
I tend to agree with this. I dont accept excuses. to many people saying why they cant get a job, but not enough saying why they can. school is forever here you can be 20 or 80 and still go to college.
I am glad you pointed that out, its true, and I do think something needs to be done about it. we have good, it could be better!
There was an asian guy I think that posted a couple of weeks ago complaining how heartless polish girls are and wether they have feelings or not.
My dear friend and rest of fellow foreign men with the same questions. Many times in this forum I have read lines sayings "people are not all the same, we cannot judge a race out of one person" ect ect.....
Well, up to an extent it is true. But we also have to underline that men meeting polish women normally do not meet them in Poland but abroad. In order for someone to go abroad (normally UK,USA, Irelnd) for many months that means he is an economic immigrant.
According to the economic theory , the labour capital(=workers) immigrating to another country are usually low skilled, without university studies, often coming from a low social class and a family that could not afford the money to provide them with high quality culture and education.
So it is natural that these kind of girls are less baptized in culture than girls who do not immigrate. Another issue is that life in Poland during the 80s' and the beginning of the 90s' has being very hard in Poland :
1)martial law, 2)hyper-inflation, 3)shortages in a series of consumer goods, 4)unemployment, 5)a boom in divorces, abortions, drugs and prostitution following the collapse of the "socialst" economic system. 6) Alarming rates of alcoholism
These features can give a very clear picture of a harsh environment in which a current 20-30-year-old grew up as an infant and teenager(the most sensitive age in human life). It is rational that people coming from this background are harder and more materialists than the average european.
It has to do about people having lost their hope that politics can bring solutions for the problems of reality. It has to do about people that have not functioned under a democratic political system for more than 40 years.
And if anyone asks what does democrcy have to do with being sensitive, emotional and have feelings the answer is that democracy means freedom of speech,exchange of opinions and more generally: e x p r e s s i o n of what you have inside your heart and thought.
We can say that every human has the same basic needs but it is untrue that we are all more or less the same. Are social class and national identity, either we want to see it or not, DO exist.
Common histroy gives to a nation its' common background, its' common point of reference.It is what makes an French look like French and a German look like German. We, in the European Union, understanding the above mechanism, we want to create a history common among our nations, so that a new, mutual identity emerges out of this procedure.
nie masz pierza nie masz dzioba ale mnie się to podoba
Whatever the propaganda Americans like to tell themselves, the 'American Dream' vanished decades ago
I think your ass just leaked into this topic. Another American hater. LOL funny. I haven't heard anyone say this well, ever :)
Getting rich in the USA is harder than other countries.
Wrong, it's just as easy if not easier. No matter where you live you have to save USA or not. The way to make money is not to spend it on materialistic things that you don't need, save your money, get an education and invest in your future. I guess some people think that you don't need to bust your ass here to survive...wrong. I hear horror stories about opening businesses in some other countries where extortion is evreywhere...not here my friend.
shows the healthiest American's age 50+ are unhealthier than the poorest, unhealthiest Britons
Rubbish. I can't believe you even made this statement...well, from the looks of your woman problems...maybe :) Don't you think diet has anything to do with this? wow.
Even the minimum wage is the US is half the UK and Ireland's for instance, I'm not saying its ideal but the fact is that is what immigrants are going to get paid.
Where I live it equals to about 3.6 Pounds...is that correct for the UK? Hey, with no experience or school what do you expect? Most people have to start at the bottom anyway. If immigrants come here with a degree and experience, they're most likely not going to be paid minimum wage. If so, they need to look for a better job.
US jobs are being shipped abroard to remove an entire class for any sort of future
Many large corporations do outsource and provide jobs for people in Mumbai India. Very common. I hear they do in the UK as well.
Unless you are from a very poor third world country (Poland and E.Europe is Second World, BTW) then USA is not the land of opportunity at all.
It is what you make of it...as life :)
Some grudge you have. We should all be able to enjoy the world :)
indeed and if polish girl wants to marry for citizenship....its one way of changing her circumstances at a better life (or why else would she want to 'marry' for citizenship?)
