Feminism effects both sexes in a different way - opinions?

I personally just take it as a compliment.....dont see the point in getting het up about something like that...fine it might be a little bit disrespectful, but sometimes its a bit amusing...I just tend to smile and shake my head...I wouldnt put up with at work off off a male colleauge though.

that must suck:(

I see....so have you ever slapped a guy for making a remark or unwanted compliment A?

So I take it you're used to being paid compliments A?...:)

My life is a misery, in the blouse department M....:(

I may have slapped someone for touching me up in a club when it wasnt invited, thats just rude...and over stepping the mark, but if someone just says something, no I dont think Id do that....

Just my opinion of what ive learnt.. i knew i shouldn't of said anything

This is actually a good example of what happens in the pack when one of its members expresses a dissenting point of view. Some of the pack members will mock, threaten, ostracize him for it. It takes courage to stand up to the pack.


That's ok, Miranda. I did say I wouldn't create one, then changed my mind. :)

This topic has really upset me. (Not the posts - although I kept watching the sky for a mushroom cloud).


I agree. Men and women complement each other in many wonderful ways. And it is not about the condition of women in Europe and in North America that concerns me the most. Although (and keep in mind that I am in a different generational group) it was not that long ago that things started to change even there.

I rather like what we call here the 'Old World charm', for ex., having the door opened for me, having my escort pick up the tab, men who stand when a woman enters the room (no jokes here please). When these actions are accompanied by true respect, this is a beautiful world.

If everyone agrees, let's close this thread. Oh no, we're still waiting for Matyjasz.

Yes mam thats what i used to do, but didnt think women of today wanted that attension anymore, some i came to the conclusion you and me were a dying breed.

But nice to here that there are some "old fashioned standards" gals around that believe in respect.

So do I guys.........old fashioned respect..............Wolfie separated himself form the "pack".....not I!

I am one as well and I don't believe that being respectful is and old fashin thing.
If one respects herself/himself one respect the others.


I absolutely agree. Yet Wolfie jus tsaud what he believed in and I don't think that it should be punished in anyway.

Firstly, who is this pack you keep talking about........Wolfie said what he said to provoke a reaction.......and it did...but no more........not being punished is he?.............ask wolfie if he feels punished!!!?

I guess Frank I don't get your sense of humor. Nor I get Wolfies.

.....but then Wolfie can speak for himself.

Lol........its ok...its a male thing...no harm intended....."isnt that right Wolfie?????""

:)

Miranda some days you just get me so confused, one minute ya say im right and the nest ya say im wrong. Ive not broke from the pack at all Frank, but if im wrong for voicing an opinion on this matter then yes punish me.

But i didnt say what i said to provoke any reaction, i guess we all live in different areas and see different life style, and those that work in them areas.

To give you a good example of a very strong woman, we dont know her personelly but look at Shell and how strong she is, and she dont need anyone telling her what to do, as she knows what shes going to do, and often tells us when were wrong, that is the modern woman, secondly look at ( P ) and how she fights her corner as well, it proved that point when they set about each other like a "Pack of Wolves" he he he.... But they are strong women and this is the modern woman of today.

Im all for women moving on and why not as time has changed societies as we know it, women have the vote so are equal to men. They can do mens jobs and i dont have a problem with that. Its a case of respecting your fellow human being man or woman, so im old fashioned in my ways of opening doors and buying women flowers and chocolates, is that so bad, Ive given seat up on a bus to a woman and many things, so does this make me any less, of a person.

I just look at the world in a different way to some and hope to women well at least some Miranda i am nice guy, but you look for the bad in me, you will have a long wait.....

feminism...hmmm....don't get started :)
I despise the Finnish feminists (and Swedish, Sweden is the Mecca for Finnish feminists). Reasons:

a) they want to be treated the "old fashioned way": they don't want to pay their own bill in restaurant etc, yet they want to be treated "equally". This happens also in other fields:they want to rights and freedoms but they don't want the responsibilities that go with them. Another example: gender quotas that they want into privately owned company boards, yet they don't want any less glamorous obligations like forced military service.

b)the male bashing on issues as prostitution: the prostition law makes it illegal to buy sex (most generally it male, but also Finnish females do it in places like Egypt, but I guess that's not a problem for the feminazis, because women are mysteriously the better sex) but not to sell it. A perfect example anti-male blackmailing law. The law doesn't count if the woman voluntarily sells sex. Believe there are those even if the feminazi Göbbels'es don't admit it.

This prostitution is also used a propaganda tool to block all the Slavic women from coming here. I can understand it: when comparing adorable (also mentally !!!) and independent (not oppressing but equal) Slavic women to these scumbags, Finnish man would open his eyes and think: "I don't have to be this ***** -whipped dog to please women. I am a human being for chrissake!!!" Finnish woman is afraid of that thought.

c) Talking about patriarcalistic cultures finnish women show "interesting" duality: they see the Finnish male as despisable chauvinist pig, but any guy from southern countries (excluding all the Slavs, they are seen even worse chauvinists than the finns) even if he is taleban is seen as "charming and considirate". I guess exotic looks give some extra edge, but little honesty is required, fenno ladies.

Also the finnish women's eagerness to marry German men is totally weird, this happened even during WW II !!! It was a real slap against the Finnish male's face to tell that these German hauptmann's and sturmbannfuhrer's were so gentleman compared to Finnish men.

Well if the **** is gonna hit the fan again once more, I am leaving the country: let these fine Finnish women defend themselves, let them call their nazi & taleban "gentlemen" to help.

The feminists in Finland & Sweden are truly terrible, somehow feminists are much much much more civilized and humane in rest of Europe. I don't why it is like this ?

Sorry for the rant but that's just what I feel :)

Hhhhmmmmmm...have you been badly hurt along the way by one of your feamale friends/partners...its just to sounds an awful lot more than just a rant.........as if you've been torn or badly damaged sometime...just my reading between the lines.

I agree if the local female population treats their males poorly/despise them, then something is badly wrong, have you articles/ surveys etc to back up your views Maxx?

Sorry I wish I had, most of the anti-male articles and speeches are in Finnish. Surveys are not done on this, because all the researchers are too busy proving the badness of finnish male. For example the violence-on-women was intrepreted in such way that even yelling is considered as violence also if the woman attacks with a knife and man repels it by twisting it is considered the male as the perpertrator.

edit: Social & Health Ministry in Finland have said quite blunt: "Equality means not making netral laws but giving edge to women, because genderhierarchy favors men"

stm.fi/Resource.phx/vastt/tarvo/tane/tiedotteet/tied2002/t2002-04.htx

(only in finnish, sorry)

"All animals are equals but some animals are more equal than others"- Animal Farm, George Orwell
Finland = rogue state

Foreign men rarely see it, because the finnish women show their good and nice side to them. It is us who see the bad side.

Yes, I have been hurt. Not respecting me as a human being has been hurtful.

Thanks Wolfie:)

No just spoke the truth and how i see it...

I was just making a point that everybody should speak for themselves, since Frank was speaking on your behalf. That was my only point. I didn't know there was a pack - is there?

As for agreeing/disagreeing - well - we have diferrent opinions which doesn't mean I dislike you for it. Perhaps you meant something diferrent - please clarify.

I am not looking for bad in you Wolfie. You one of the nicest people on this forume - but it doesn't mean that we cannot disagree.

I didn't start this post so people will agree - it was for the purpose of exchanging opinions only.

Oh now im getting to like you, owwwwwww

I totally agree with the above.

I also say that each person should have their own view without being barated by other forum members and posts turning into a joke...this is supposed to be a debate and a conversation about feminism and what it means to women.

and men
Thank you A

I did say that aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh that was my point.........

I should try to explain what I meant. I don’t mean to be this longwinded but I’m afraid this is me.

Human societies organize themselves in various kinds of groups, both formal and informal such as countries, races, genders, rich, poors, cities, families, groups of friends, cyber-forums, etc. The ‘alpha male or female’ is the leader of such a group. This model of organization also exists in animals such as wolfes, chimpazees and possibly many others. When one of the members of such a group challenges the beliefs of the others, or the beliefs held by the group as a whole, and upheld by the ‘alpha’, the other members will try to protect the ‘alpha’ and themselves by discrediting the dissenting member. The more threatening the challenge, the more severe the reaction will be from the group. It can go from mockery, to insults, to threats, to duels, to isolation. For example, a threat to a ruling king would probably mean a death sentence to the challenger. A threat to a world view such as the one Galileo and Copernicus voiced had similar dire consequences for at least Galileo (I don’t know what happened to Copernicus).

Similarly, when a person adopts a position that goes against what the other members of that group think , that person will more than likely face a similar reaction, (mockery, insults, threats, duels, isolation).

Protecting, or siding, with women is often viewed as a challenge to men’s authority over women. Therefore, men will often react by mocking the man who sides with women. They might tease him by asking who wears the pants in his house, or by asking if he has been neutered, therefore attacking his masculinity, his virility and his ability to rule a woman. In certain groups, the ‘punishment’ might be much worst.

So, the ‘pack’ I referred to in this case = whoever believes that women are not equal to men as persons.

The dissenting member = Wolfie’s comment that women are equals.

The ‘punishment’ = the joke about him being neutered.

Syrena,
you are amazing. Well written indeed:).

Gee thanks Miranda. I may not post every day (I have to work long hours this week) but I'm not forgetting the thread. I have more to say. I'm really glad that people are posting; we can discuss and share points of views. I am really enjoying this. Cheers and take care.

Well, you definatelly have a gift and I am sure I am not the first one to mention it.
It's a sheer pleasure to read your comments and I am glad that you post here.I am looknig forward to reading more in the future.

I am really busy with school - it's this time of the year and I am starting to feel teh pressure.
I wish I would be able to write like you one day.
Have a great night!!!

Thanks Miranda. That's very nice of you to say. I hope you can study comfortably and have everything you need to focus on your school work. I'm really cheering for you. Talk to you again soon.

Well i think ive said my point on this matter as best i could.....

1)...I think men and women are equal and that is a good things as well, be it in employment or in the privacy of there four walls.

2)...As a Wolf yes sometimes i howl alot and for good reason when i have something to say, but i protect the guys as well as the women folk. I dont get annoyed if a woman tells me im wrong as its just a case of we all have different points of view, and its respecting that person for it.

3)...I get the impression sometimes you all feel im the leader of the pack, or im all for female sex, well im no leader in that respect and as for looking out for the women, well im a normal guy who flirts a little, and anyone who knows me well knows im a caring person as such.

4)...Anyone of the guys who think im a pack leader im not as there is no pack as such, this would split the men and women straight down the middle and that aint going to happen. That would cause some arguments so it aint happening.

5)...And finally.. i went to a safari park the other day just to see a wolf or pack of wolves, just to see what they do. Maybe i have wolf blood in me, maybe i have an anchestor who was a werewolf, hell knows but the point is thats i look after the ones i care for, and thats all you. Sorry but thats me...................