Homosexuals in Poland / Hands off (PETITION)

If their preys involve him finding a lover,he would have no problem with that.

They're all in the Vatican

This thread bothers me because so many people seem to think being gay is a choice. That just is not true. You can't make someone be gay or not be gay.

Therapy can't change a gay person....it only makes them feel worse about being something they can't change. I have had gay friends all my life. We have talked endlessly about a lot of issues that gays face. No one would purposely choose a life that entails so much abuse, prejudice, and hate. Gays are regular people for the most part. Like any other group, you will find some members who are extreme or unusual in some way. My friends are rather normal. They have careers, have stable relationships with long-time partners, and are responsible, dependable people. (They just have better art and nicer gardens.)

Now if you want to talk about the "shades of grey" between "gay and straight".....then it gets more confusing.....there is some of everything in the middle! And I find it really interesting that the neither straights nor gays like the "bi-sexuals", cause they are problematic for everybody. Who would have thought there would be such discrimination among gays? Without realizing it, gays who discriminate against bi's bring more disapproval on themselves. They will say "you're not bi, you're just gay and too scared to come out". Then the straights hear this kind of talk and start thinking that a straight person became gay.

Live and let live.....

AMEN!

=) thank god this sense exists

The theme of this thread was basically, Poland does not want their school children taught that homosexuality is an acceptable 'alternative' lifestyle...this is simply common

sense...whatever an adult wishes to do is up to them...but the family is the basis of any
society...as homosexuality does not produce children, it is not the basis for a healthy
society...the Polish proposal was a good one, and the EU reaction was incorrect.

...but it is..


you mean 'this is simply moronic' - right?


Neither does some heterosexual couples! Of course homosexuality is part of a 'healthy society' - for one, those who are homosexual are in the minority, so I would not worry about our population dying due to homosexuality if that's what you mean... And didn't you know - homosexuals can and do have children too. Do you not see this is an outdated argument?

Hear Hear..

Its bad enough they enslave young minds with the crap they teach in schools allready.
Kids are afraid to be Young anymore..
Being a Child is about Learning.. Having Fun..
Not the Difference between Homosexual and heterosexual Love and lifestyle.

Before long it will be on the Examining Agenda bc some Do good gay rights activist will have protest.. And demand that it should be.

And the Bleeding hearts liberallists will cave into there demands bc they dont want to offend them.

If your Gay or not its fine by me.
Live your life the way you choose. To its fullest.

But Keep it OUT of schools.

And in the Bedroom. Where it belongs..


But they usually find a Lesbian Couple and Inseminate them.
I dont want to sound like im Gay bashing because im not.
But
Isnt Procreation about the Act of two people in love Creating the gift of Life.. ( Children )

you're ....not? You just think that young kids growing up should not know that it is acceptable to - be who they are, be it homosexual or not? And if heterosexuals growing up do not know this either then 'gay bashing' is never going to stop...


So a heterosexual couple who cannot have a child 'naturally' should just not bother then?
Another way to look at your words - isn't that what anybody procreating does whether it be by traditional method or not? Does it matter how they manage to procreate? It shouldn't. If the child will be loved and taken care of, where is the problem?

They ARE Being who they are.. Children.

Is it right to steal that from them..?
Dont they have the right to choose..?

As an adult you have the right to choose..
As a child the Adult chooses for you..

Why not just have full on sex infront of them..?

Im not saying its Wrong to be Gay.. Or for them to have children.
What i am saying.
Is its Wrong to rub it in there faces at an early age.
Young minds are easy to impress.

Keep it out of schools. And In the home where it should be..

And let them decide there sexual orientation when they are old enough to understand what it means..
They deserve to able to grow up in there own way..
Not have it Force fed to them at First grade. Because you think it should be..

Be Gay. Lesbian. its your right as a human being to be who you are.
If thats your inclination. Then fair play to you.
Live your life the way you choose. And be happy.

Teach them if you must. But do it at home..
Not at school.

Understand this: Homosexuality is a choice, just like everything else in life...sometimes
a choice can be influenced by circumstances, but it is still a choice...you have free will...
if you choose a homosexual lifestyle, it is on you...do not make excuses for the choices
you make...now, children should not be taught that this behavior is acceptable...how
about this 'alternative lifestyle'?...it is acceptable for a 45 year old man to have fellatio
performed on him by an 8-year old girl...or to have sexual intercourse with the girl's 12
year old sister...how about that?...the 45 year old man can not be responsible for his
actions because 'he is just different', with 'alternative' tastes...Rozumieć?

no, actually homosexuals have been around for as long as heterosexuals, it's just that society would never accept them before. You would hope that they would be accepted in this day and age, but unfortunately it's not always the case. My best friend is a lesbian and the grief she gets for it is unbelievable. She's still a decent, hardworking, polite and easy going person, but she is villified for her sexual preference. Personally, I don't see what the problem is. What does it matter? Homophobes are scum.


Well said Sofi! A lot of people seem to have omitted this from their arguments ;)

Surely if you're arguing that homosexualism is 'unnatural' because it can't produce children, then surely you're arguing that infertile people are 'unnatural' too. And, before you add 'People don't choose to be infertile' PEOPLE DON'T CHOOSE TO BE GAY EITHER accept it. They're not gay just to offend people, it's the way they feel.

This is called the "slippery slope theory". If we let gays marry, then NAMBLA will gte angry and demand that older men be allowed to marry minors. They will call it age discrimination and the trial lawyers will win them cases.

Isn't that just like making paedophilia legal?

Correct. Technically, we are discriminating against people who were born liking little boys, plus it's age discrimination.

When will the idiots understand the difference between homosexuality and paedophilia?
Paedophilia is, by its nature, not consensual.
There are forms of both homo- and heterosexuality that are also non-consensual.
The overwhelming majority of straight and gay relationships are built upon the same foundations - love, trust, an agreed level of interdependence, and having a good time in bed behind closed doors - consensually.

This 'slippery slope' idea can be carried sideways (not forwards, but sideways) to say that anyone who gives someone a can of beer will inevitably, at a later date, also supply heroin.

Idiots.

It's not discrimintation to paedophiles...paedophiles aren't decent people keeping themselves to themselves, unlike gays. gays don't kidnap and rape children...they are not breaking laws...

as for the age discrimination, children do not know sexual ins and outs..they don't know what sex is and what it means, that's why the law is in place at the moment.


that's what I was trying to say in my long winded, rambling way. I would say I agree, but there's nothing to agree about. You're right, it's fact, it is what it is. Good point, well made.

Do you understand this: Children are easily influenced by what adults tell them is acceptable...they do not understand the concept of 'consent' when they are under the

authority of an influential adult, whether a teacher or another adult 'authority figure'...
when the 'teacher' tells them something is acceptable & legitimate, they will feel that
it is OK...homosexuality is not pedophilia, but many pedophiles are homosexual...also,
there is the issue of 'sexual politics', a phrase which was coined by the feminist Kate
Millet...well, politics is a matter of power, and if the sex act is converted into a political
act & taught as such, which is what the EU is promulgating, we are in deep trouble...

no...paedophiles will take what they can get...if heterosexual paedophiles can't find a young girl, they will settle for a young boy. naturally, they aren't bothered either way.


ok, I know what you mean with this, but the age of consent is there to protect children who have been abused so that they will be able to build a case against someone who has abused them, not so that they can say "Stop, I'm underage". And I think that most parents these days make the concept of consent VERY clear to their children and to tell someone if they are sexually abused. I know that my parents made this very clear to me.

Children see couples heterosexual relationships around them all the time.
Not all grow up to become heterosexuals.

A gay couple lived opposite my family's home throughout my childhood.
It didn't make me gay.

Children who see homosexual relationships are just less likely to hold such antiquated views about such relationships, not become gay themselves.

Levels of homosexuality have always been fairly constant. The only thing that changes is how much it is hidden and repressed.

A gay friend of mine suffered years of depression, and was close to suicide because of the strength of people's views about homosexuality. Eventually, he came out to his family, then his friends. He is now no longer depressed and self-repressed. He runs his own business and is very happy with his boyfriend.

If he hadn't been allowed or able to express this facet of his true self, he would not be with us today, he would not be running his own business, and his family and friends would have been mourning a tragic loss.

Also, I firstly think of him as a friend, then as a very good chef, someone who has a great sense of humour, is very good with people. His gayness is now, and should be merely a minor detail of his life.

Osiol, I know exactly what you mean. I know plenty of gay people, it hasn't made me gay. My best friend is gay. My driving instructor is a gay transvestite, I don't bat an eyelid, yet some people on here would have him sent to the guillotine or some sort of institution to make them heterosexuals.

homophobia is an outdated mode of thinking and those who take these views are holding back development, just like those who did not want to abolish slavery or give women the vote

Funny,In my experiance those "men" who shout the loudest about how unnatural gayness is and make all the fuss almost always turn out to be gay or bi themselves,something about protesting too much.

sofi, excuse me for saying this but your a top bird :) putting what I posted earlier into far more gracefull posts.
gayness and kiddie touching, good god man,did you bang your head in 1973 or something,where have you been, arnt most convicted (sick scumbag) peadophiles married men who sleep with their wife then abuse their own kids?

This thread is better than re runs of Alf Garnet
k.
ps,as to teaching kids about sex in school,personally I dont want my kids taught anything about it in school as thats a parents responsibility to judge when your child is old enough to need to know or understand,so dont ram gay or straight lifestyles down kids throats,let them just be innocent for a few shor years.

Slavery was a Crime against Humanity.

Not the same thing as going into a classroom and teaching childen about Homosexuality.

Im NOT Against Homosexuality.
I Agree. That a lot of these relationships are based on Love trust and Mutual Consent..
Its your right.. Your Free to choose..

If its introduced into classrooms and childern have no option but to learn about it.
Where is there right to choose..?

Children should be allowed to be Children.
There is enough pressure on them to grow up faster to keep pace with our modern lives.. without adding more to the burden they are expected to carry.

Teach them at home.. 99% of familes have access to the internet.
it is no hard task to show them it is acceptable to be who they are. and who they want to become. In in a loving family. ( Hetro OR Homosexual )

Its a safer More loving environment.

School is not the place for this...

There is indeed too much sexuality of various kinds forced upon children these days.
Let children be children.
But sex education is important, but if schools do it badly, it's worse than them not teaching it at all.

Amen to that

Let adults be adults.

The Playground is the harshest environment known to man..
And i defy anyone to tell me different..

Kids are picked on and bullied for the least lil thing..
Too fat.. Too thin.. Too Pretty.. Too Ugly.. Too Poor.. Too Rich.. Too different.
Wrong colour.. Wrong Clothes..
Childen are the Cruelest people anywhere.
Everyweek there are stories about Suicides Caused by Bullying in the playground.

Are you going to Give the Thugs more stones to throw by making them unsure about there own sexuality or Indivduality..?

Out of a class of 20 you teach about the subject..
If one Child out of 20 realises or decidesthat Homosexuality is who they are..
Or how they want to be.. And it is right that they can be if they choose too.

The Other 19 will make there school lives a living hell..
NOT Because they dont understand.. But because THAT is what Children do to each other..

Why Would you want to put them through that..??
Dont you love them..?

as you say yourself, children make each others lives hell anyway but if you teach them the facts then at least they know

Of course.. That will surely stop the Playground bullies beating the snot out of the different kid...

We have been aducating them for years that is is NOT Wrong to be different..
Has that stopped It..?

The charity Depression Alliance estimates that each year there are around 19,000 suicide attempts by UK adolescents whilst more than 2 million children attend GP's surgeries with some kind of psychological or emotional problem.

Suicide statistics show that in the UK at least 16 children kill themselves each year because they are being bullied at school

In inner city areas, over 43% of children have considered suicide and one in six children under the age of 11 have attempted suicide. Common causes cited include bullying, abuse, poverty,

And this is WITH Education..

Do you think that count will be Higher or Lower.. Once the Playground Bullies Decide you are different because you are homosexual..??
Even if 10 of the 19 agree thats its ok.. For them to be..
There is still the other 9.
Add the street.. Mix in a few cans of beer.. Add a crowd.. And see what happens.

Its hard enough for them NOW..
Why do you want to make it worse..??

Teach them YES..
Be Gay YES..
Just not in school..