History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]

Relations between Berlin and Warsaw are strained, and given the reaction to this exhibition from the Polish government, it is likely to deepen the mistrust between the neighbouring countries.

Even before it opened its doors, the exhibition "Forced Paths" attracted a lot of controversy in the German and Polish media.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4788167.stm


Thank you

Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


I must aggree with freebird on this one, it's amazing how backs have turned after the shock of Sept. 11. You give one person "Bush" the responsability of Sept. 11th yet the ones that were there would have to dispute this. Opps, they can't as they are dead. Have you listened to the phone conversation of the ones that got to say goodbye before trying to fight for their lives. All the arguments over this are lame,like, USA could have taken the planes out. Ya, I bet they could have, but Bush in an elementray class (visiting US school children when 1st plane crashed) wishes today he had.

Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


It is the inside job I refer to as lame. Believe me the USA citizens know there are others that hate us. Just the fact that we are free turns some into killers, not able to stand the though of losing control over people that they have under their thumbs.


Now here I aggree, this"twat" has an ability to bs and sound like he is thinking on the best intrest of the people. I feel his actions are done in such a manner that his face is never shown and attatched to the actions.

Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


I think a big part of Polands reaction to this is due to most of the talk of what happened the Jewish "Holocaust" were the victims. When will the world see it was "Poland" that paid the price. Not Jewish, Germany, Russia or Ukraine. I guess because they left the name Poland behind Communist it's not seen as clear as it was. No Poland did not loose a small piece they lost their country.

Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Yes, Thank you. My family died also and I will be equal to Jewish not below. Hitler said, "Poland" not Jewish.


So be it.


It was not just Jewish, divide and concure. In the name of God. My Black book of Poland listing is not just "Jewish" it was Polands, doctors, teachers, artists, scientist anyone that showed intellagence. Then they used Jewish to divide and turn religion into a tool. But Hitler clearly said it was to be all Polish.

Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Not in Eastern Poland... It was military, Catholic, Jewish, Polish and Ukrainian.

Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


This is not true. I will get the #'s for you. It is because Jewish stuck together and are known to be loud and speak up. Remember, they were not in Poland under communist control and could speak. They just forgot to mention others. Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


Poland never gave up even when they knew they were betrayed. To me this speaks to the pride I have in Polish.

Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


But who decided to move the Germans and give this to Poland? If I recall Poland was not included in this pow wow, right? Carol

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


It's not just America, ask the youth in Poland and I find this lack of history. Communist Poland made sure no one talked. For the most past the nation was hearing the Jewish about "Holocaust". Polish survivors of camps even in the USA still hold inside the horrors and fear the pain of thinking back. I often wondered if it was a Polish pride that make them suffered in silence?

Within the artical:

Critics argue that the exhibition is an attempt to re-write history, claiming that Germans are portrayed mostly as victims and the role of the Nazi regime is overlooked.

"We think that the struggle against totalitarianism, Nazism and Communism, and the resistance movements, were the most important parts of 20th Century history. The expulsion, especially of Germans, was only a consequence of that," said Slawomir Tryc from the Polish embassy in Berlin

Carol

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


I stand by my prior post, "Russia must step up and make amends for past with Poland". Many people lost their country ,loved ones, land. Military were killed and others slaved. I could care less how Russia decides to run their little piece of the earth. In order to be considered part of the ones that can move forward, the past must be dealt with. I for one wait for the day when Russia's President stands up and can say, "We are sorry this happened to your family." Until this day I will not believe that they are truly sorry. Just last week I read of President Putin trying to push a history book whereas “Stalin is a great hero”. Historical amnesia

Putin heralds teachers' manual glorifying Stalin as great leader

Calgary Herald

Monday, December 03, 2007


How sorry can Russia really be? Stalin was not an innocent leader, blood stained his hands to build his empire.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]



Stalin was a killer that even killed his own. This is sick that you do not know how many lives Stalin took and the price paid for his country. "bla-bla-bla" how insensitive and crude.


Stalin was a sick puppy that didn't even care about his own family as they also where killed on his orders.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Stalin attacked "Polish unarmed military" and still tied their hands, then had them shot in the head. Having them out of the way he went after the "unarmed Polish military reserve" more unarmed, living as farmers, sleeping with families in the night. Here they were killed or put on cattle cars to join his slaves in Siberia. Look into history of how many people this, "great hero" killed. He was no differant than Hitler. Unless you find honor in shooting the unarmed.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Say what, where do you think Stalin bummed his planes from.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]

Here is some information on Stalin.
Through the extermination and the persecution of millions of people, the Soviet government attempted to conceal its crimes. Who knows exactly how many victims of terror there were? Where were the executed buried? Where were the countless camps and what transpired behind the barbed wire? Even the relatives of the deceased do not know the truth: "10 years without the right to correspondence" - this was the only information given about the fate of the convict under Stalinism, the short formula of his life and death.

He was never a great leader.

memo.ru/eng/history/intro.htm

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Lets see Pres. Putin did not break down his hero, maybe his history books will tell he killed his own and Russian also slaved and died for his Utopia. Time Magazine reports that "New state textbooks (in Russia) hail Stalin as 'the most successful Russian leader ever'." Soviet atrocities against the Polish nation, only admitted by the Soviets in

the Gorbachev era, are once again at risk of being denied, minimized or stricken from the record.


LOL my rights open,Isthatu.


That's like saying my father is Ukrainian because it's now Ukraine,no, he's born of Polish reguardless, correct? After all it was Poland was he was born.

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


I find a leader accoutable for all actions , not just the ones that are choosen. That would be like priding =Pres. Bush on just Afganastan and leaving Iraq out of the history. Stalin had potential to be a great hero, as does Pres. Bush... It should be truthful history that determines this not what makes their country most proud. IMO Russia should tell the full nasty truth in the "New state textbooks" and by now changing the record and playing down the treatment surrounding the atroicites is another slap in the face. Personally , I feel Pres. Putin's pushing this type of slander is nothing short as disrespectful slander.

Now I repeat, history between Poland and Russia will never start until Russia and the leaders show remorse vs. glorifying this past that has millions of victims. Pain from my grandmother, aunts, uncles still hurts today. As does the behavior "Stalin" ordered for my loved ones in Poland. How do we accept Pres. Putin as a respected leader when he shows such disrespect for our people? How many unarmed military were shot in the head?

History / Poland-Russia: never-ending story? [1341]


Was it true that the Russian's were afraid of them as stated on this link?

russia.com/forums/history/16432-russian-t-34-tank-9.html

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


I do not see this as Poland or her people.

News / Polish soldiers and the legacy of Depleted Uranium. [30]

This cannot be good.


news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-12/17/content_7268483.htm

News / Polish soldiers and the legacy of Depleted Uranium. [30]


I couldn't do this as I believe you to be right.

USA, Canada / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election according to Polish and foreign people [90]

To soon to tell, really did not find to much on Obama. What do you think of Edwards?

USA, Canada / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election according to Polish and foreign people [90]

Clearly I need to learn more and it's not easy to find out who, what where on "Obama". My question's have more to do with who at this point, not that it would matter if he was Muslin, rather is he a truthful person?

Was Barack Obama a Muslim?

[FPM title: "Obama and Islam"]

"If I were a Muslim I would let you know," Barack Obama has said, and I believe him. In fact, he is a practicing Christian, a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ. He is not now a Muslim.

But was he ever a Muslim or seen by others as a Muslim? More precisely, might Muslims consider him a murtadd (apostate), that is, a Muslim who converted to another religion and, therefore, someone whose blood may be shed?

danielpipes.org/article/5286

History / Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]


That would be pick and choose. No maybe if we had gas chambers on displayed...
The Forgotten Photo's 1939-45
hollow.one.free.fr

History / Could the truth "The Kremlin Fesses Up" at last be out? [21]


Do you think we didn't already know this?

History / Could the truth "The Kremlin Fesses Up" at last be out? [21]


Revelations or lie's. It is amazing how many people do not know the whole truth. History is being taught across the world without the facks. If as you say, "We already knew this", are there so many that deny?

History / Could the truth "The Kremlin Fesses Up" at last be out? [21]


No but I will look it up. Thank you


I have a hard time with that, my grandfather escaped from such a group and I was told I did not have my facts correct. Others that lived in eastern portion of Poland have come forward and told me of loved one's being killed prior to 1939 and to this day fear saying it out loud.

History / Could the truth "The Kremlin Fesses Up" at last be out? [21]


I feel Polish people that lived through this hell are still afraid to talk about the truth. I grew up with a father that always challanged my thoughts on politics. Reguardless of what I felt, he would give me alternate views. Yet try to get him to talk about eastern Poland and Siberia and he would or could not talk. Today we still talk about politics and on certian days he can tell me bits and pieces. I found his mother and one sisters grave in So. Africa and we now can add headstones to them. We laughed at the way his sisters would plunk him on one of their work horses and leave him up there for hours vs having to watch their baby brother. Being silenced did more than keep the bad out, it kept the few happy memories of his home and family that were lost to him forever.

History / Could the truth "The Kremlin Fesses Up" at last be out? [21]


I resent Putin wanting to teach the youth in Russia that Stalin was a great hero. It is a slap in the face I will not take.