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Polish soldiers and the legacy of Depleted Uranium.


hairball  
6 Jan 2008 /  #1
Polands soldiers who are now serving in the Middle East are being exposed to depleted uranium contamination. This is a highly dangerous situation that these people are being exposed to. Some of the known effects are....

Birth defects from the children of Gulf war vets which would break a heart of stone: babies with terribly foreshortened limbs, with their intestines outside their bodies, with huge bulging tumors where their eyes should be, or with a single eye-like Cyclops, or without eyes, or without limbs, and even without heads. Significantly, some of the defects are almost unknown outside textbooks showing the babies born near A-bomb test sites in the Pacific.

Also over 200,000 US troops who have returned from the 1991 war are now invalided out with ailments officially attributed to service in Iraq-that's 1 in 3. In contrast, the British government's failure to fully assess the health of returning troops, or to monitor their health, means no one even knows how many have died or become gravely ill since their return.

So I ask. Is it right that Poland's soldiers should continue to be exposed to this radiaton?
Seanus  
6 Jan 2008 /  #2
Absolutely not! I'm not an expert but I do know a little about diseases that lie latent. My friend in Hiroshima contracted mesothelemia when he was young in NZ, having been exposed to asbestos. He was very fit, being a triathlete who represented his country. I returned back to Scotland and I learned of his death about half a year later from friends. He had no chance!! I remember at the time of the SARS virus, the streets were filled (Hiroshima) with people with safety masks. Having lived there plus living here in polluted Gliwice, I'm aware of contaminants in the air. Reminds me of Bush again, 'It's not the pollution that's causing the problems to our environment, it's the impurities in our air'. ROFL. Yeah, seriously, this issue needs to be addressed more fully
OP hairball  
6 Jan 2008 /  #3
Why do they use DP weapons? Watch what this lady says.


szkotja2007  
6 Jan 2008 /  #4
Watch what this lady says.

Its half an hour long - whats the gist ?
OP hairball  
6 Jan 2008 /  #5
It's about why they use DU weapons...

Hears a shorter one about the results

youtube.com/watch?v=S0WVuNZ-b8s&feature=related

This one's 20 mins but very revealing
youtube.com/watch?v=RvCmthsTEGA&feature=related
joepilsudski  
7 Jan 2008 /  #6
Use of depleted uranium, which is basically the waste from spent fuel rods in nuclear reactors, is called 'Level 4' nuclear warfare...this depleted uranium has a half-life, I believe, of at least 50000 years...no one should be exposed to this...what happens is the depleted uranium is used for artillery shells and bomb casings because it is super dense and has penetrating power...but when the shells are used, these shells heat to a very high temperature and the uranium becomes dust particles after the heat goes down...and when the shells penetrate, they disintegrate to some degree, causing radioactive dust, which can easily be inhaled or absorbed...this depleted uranium was

also used against the Serbs by NATO in the Kosovo war.

nodu-hiroshima.org/gl/toyoda_eu/ - DU victims
Crow  
7 Jan 2008 /  #7
Polands soldiers who are now serving in the Middle East are being exposed to depleted uranium contamination.

When i sow title of this thread i thought that this is about Polish contingent on Kosovo.

So, i would just add- It`s not necessary for Polish soldiers to go that far- on Middle East to risk being exposed to depleted uranium. NATO didn`t tell you that?
joepilsudski  
7 Jan 2008 /  #8
NATO didn`t tell you that?

NATO doesn't talk about a lot of things...like why they were in Kosovo or why they are in Afghanistan...how do either of these actions protects Western Europe?
plk123  
7 Jan 2008 /  #9
Nato stopped the serb agression and if they didn't i wouldn't be surprised if serbs were pushing in on another country by now. look into serb history.. that's just they way they are.

nato is in afghanistan mainly because of shrubco. i am still a little miffed why but hey that's the way it is.
Crow  
7 Jan 2008 /  #10
NATO doesn't talk about a lot of things...

true

but you see, Poles have Polishforums.com which is last line of defense for democracy in Poland and Polishforums.com would for sure provide free environment for all spirits on the Net who have something to say to Poles, no matter how that can be different then official NATO news, BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, ....

Long live free and democratic Poland!

Nato stopped the serb agression and if they didn't i wouldn't be surprised if serbs were pushing in on another country by now. look into serb history.. that's just they way they are.

What Serb aggression? Are you deluded?

Prove your statements or just shut up and say good-bye to your credibility here

You just continue to believe in BS designed to serve for German-Turkish interests and you would fall in treachery of Poland, for sure- sooner or later.
OP hairball  
8 Jan 2008 /  #11
I believe, of at least 50000 years

The figures I've been reading are closer to 4.5 billion years, and that's from more than one source. Yes it is a "low level" radiation, but still deadly!

So, i would just add- It`s not necessary for Polish soldiers to go that far- on Middle East to risk being exposed to depleted uranium. NATO

Crow is right.
Crow  
8 Jan 2008 /  #12
Christ blessed you for your brave words, to be able to say that Serb is right!

Gentleman`s like you giving hope to me

my regards
southern  
8 Jan 2008 /  #13
You will never find out what is this Golf war syndrome.It is military secret.Tens of thousands claimed to suffered from it,the US government claimed it was simply a form of posttraumatic stress disorder,however it paid disability compensations to some thousands of them.To pay compensations means something,or not?
OP hairball  
8 Jan 2008 /  #14
Golf war syndrome

As johnp pointed out to me on a different thread, Gulf War Syndrom was because of the sh it they were injecting into themselves against chemical attack. But I think Depleted Uranium is something far more serious. The contamination will last for 4.5 billion years. That's as long as our planet is old!
Crow  
8 Jan 2008 /  #15
i just become aware that many things that speaks and doing are opposite from that what BBC, CNN, AL JAZEERA, DEUTSCHE WELLE, ITN, etc media portrait as politically correct

Am i normal?
southern  
8 Jan 2008 /  #16
because of the sh it they were injecting into themselves against chemical attack

Atropine and pralidoxime.I am not sure if it was in pills or injected.
OP hairball  
9 Jan 2008 /  #17
It would appear that the Pentagon has known about the dangers of this stuff since 1943. Check this web sit... newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james29.htm

And here's a quote from it....

Since 1943 the military has been aware of the extreme toxicity of uranium as a gas. A Oct 30, 1943 memo from Manhattan Project physicist James B. Conant to Brig. General L.B. Abrams stated that as a gas warfare instrument the radioactive material would be ground into microscopic particles forming dust and smoke and could be distributed by ground fired projectiles, land vehicles or aerial bombs. In this form it would be inhaled by personnel. They estimated that one millionth of a gram would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment for such casualties.

Atropine and pralidoxime.I am not sure if it was in pills or injected.

I'm also not sure. Probably tablet???
szkotja2007  
9 Jan 2008 /  #18
Atropine and pralidoxime.I am not sure if it was in pills or injected.

I'd be interested if Atropine was used prophylactically, other than immediately before a risk was identified.
Atropine and 2Pam are available in "pens", similar delivery systems to that of Insulin with diabetics. Pills take longer to get in to the system.
OP hairball  
10 Jan 2008 /  #19
Iraqui children playing with death


  • du contamination
celinski  
10 Jan 2008 /  #20
This cannot be good.

Russia and Iran reached an agreement earlier this month that paved the way for the delivery of nuclear fuel.

The United States and some other Western countries have been alleged that Iran may try to develop atomic bombs under a civilian cover.

Iran has denied all the charges, saying it's nuclear program was just aimed at generating electricity and would never abandon its legal rights.

Russian Foreign Ministry, however, has promised that those fuel will be under control of the IAEA.

news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-12/17/content_7268483.htm
Crow  
10 Jan 2008 /  #21
This cannot be good.

one can hardly say what is good and what is wrong today

I just can say that Arabic mujaheedines used NATO as logistics while they mutilated Serbian civilians in Bosnia. I can also say to you that NATO used depleted uranium against Serbs, poisoned insects, all sorts of new technological weapons... killing little children, pregnant woman, Serbian soldiers... bombing TV, radio, hospitals, bridges, infrastructure, monuments, Churches... poisoning our rivers and nature...

Now, try to convince me that Iran is more evil then NATO or German, Turkish, USA governments. Go, try

my mother, sister and girl were (are!) terrified because of NATO, not because of Iran
celinski  
10 Jan 2008 /  #22
Now, try to convince me that Iran is more evil then NATO or German, Turkish, USA governments. Go, try

I couldn't do this as I believe you to be right.
OP hairball  
11 Jan 2008 /  #23
my mother, sister and girl were (are!) terrified

Crow please tell us more about the contamination from depleted uranium in your country. I am reserching about it and I will post some of my findings soon, but I would like to know of your personal experiences from this war.
Crow  
11 Jan 2008 /  #24
you think that it maybe could be interesting to auditorium to found out about how people functioning during constant danger from air attacks?
Well, i can speak about it from the different angles... as ordinary citizen, i can tell you about rumors, about personal expiriances of close exposure to danger, about destine of my cousins, friends, about destine of friends of my friends, about TV and radio warnings, about ruins that i personally sow, that i heard, about situation in Novi Sad pubs before bombardment, during and after, about situation in shelters/atmosphere (i only once was in public shelter but, then when i heard about destine of those who were in shelter which were directly hit, i abandoned idea about safety in shelter. but hey, we had/have good armored concrete shelters but those bombs which penetrate... ).

Tell me, which angle of description do you prefer?
southern  
11 Jan 2008 /  #25
Tell me, which angle of description do you prefer?

This of ordinary citizen.
Crow  
11 Jan 2008 /  #27
This of ordinary citizen.

OK

give me a little time (this weekend) and i would launch interesting (as, if?) thread

thanks for your interests

but hey, what other people here think? Should i go with such a thread? What Polish members say?
OP hairball  
12 Jan 2008 /  #28
give me a little time

I'm on your side Crow. I want to highlight the dangers of Depleted Uranium! So tell us your experiences here!
Crow  
13 Jan 2008 /  #29
OK

from where to start (i asking myself)

maybe from firemans

yes, exactly from them. You all remembered (from well known pics on TV) how USA gave respect to their fallen firemans, after terrorist attack and after fall of those buildings

Well, listen now what was destine of Serbian firemans during NATO bombardment and attacks...

Those brave guys risked their lives every day in their regular duties plus in fight with fire initiated from different kind of weapons. Serbian firemans were usually among first who would come to help to people after attacks and they saved many lives. Many of them fallen

You see, it is worth to be mentioned (due to respect) but, its not essence (unfortunately) of this story

Reason that i talking this to you is one NATO habit. NATO had habit that after first attack (speaking about pure civilian site) and after dealing damage and devastation, retreat on safe distance (somewhere high on the sky) and waited. NATO waited that help start to coming: firemans, other civilians, ambulance, police, etc and then suddenly they would fast come back and then they would attack same place (zone) again. That way casualties and panic were increased dramatically (just think and while thinking add in story Depleted Uranium as especial gift from NATO)

We (people) called it `overavanje`. People would talk: ``NATO se vratio da ih overi (ili bi rekli `NATO se potpisao`). [it would be good southern that you help a little with translation]

i would try... `NATO has come back to ratify` (to attest), or `NATO has come back to subscribe`.

who would say that it was possible practically in the middle of Europe, in the morning of new millennium
southern  
13 Jan 2008 /  #30
NATO came back to sign.Yes,maybe to cause casualties between firemen and increase the destruction effects on targets or to demolarize the public and prevent any attempt to save the buildings.But the Serbians were the first to land a stealth.How did this happen?Is it true far more stealts were hit using old radars?

Is it true that brave Serbs organized big parties in flats and terasses during the attacks?

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