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Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?


celinski 31 | 1,258  
14 Dec 2007 /  #1
Will wonders ever cease? Carol

Relations between Berlin and Warsaw are strained, and given the reaction to this exhibition from the Polish government, it is likely to deepen the mistrust between the neighbouring countries.

Even before it opened its doors, the exhibition "Forced Paths" attracted a lot of controversy in the German and Polish media.

Even before it opened its doors, the exhibition "Forced Paths" attracted a lot of controversy in the German and Polish media.

People look at part of the exhibition which covers the expulsion of Poles from territory annexed by Germany
Expulsion has been a tool of many politicians, exhibition organisers say

The aim of the organisers of the exhibition at the Kronprinzenpalais on Berlin's Unter Den Linden Avenue is ambitious - to explore the plight of millions of people who were forced to flee their homes in Europe during the 20th Century.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4788167.stm
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #2
they should be happy we havent used German technologies like making soap form human body ...
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
14 Dec 2007 /  #3
One could wonder If their "Forced Paths" shouldn't have led to the ovens...
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #4
Dirty Pollaks.Again no soap for this country.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #5
"It's probably not well-known outside Germany that at the end of World War ll, around 12 million Germans had to leave their homes in the former eastern German provinces and elsewhere," said Wilfried Rogasch, the curator of the exhibition.

German way of thinking ... but they've forgoten how they becomed owners of this homes ...

(once again ;) )

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation

this one is good ... ;)

and I m not going to talk what happened durring WWII ... Germans victims pffffffff
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #6
The victims had to burn the Jews themselves.How to endure such a smell?
They should have gotten help in their work.
And the scalps of Poles made such a noise when they crashed!Terrible.
slick77 - | 127  
14 Dec 2007 /  #7
Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

No.

We all know this "exhibition" has been created because some Germans want to feel better about their own past.

The real question is: what should Poland do?
OP celinski 31 | 1,258  
14 Dec 2007 /  #8
what should Poland do?

If I say I may be accused of being to proud. I'll just say, time to speak up Poland.

Carol
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #9
what should Poland do?

Return Auschwitz to its owners.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #10
;) I was just thinking about this situation

heh ;))))

poor Germans they hadnt been accepted as "SUPER RACE" ;-) what is more they had to go home ;-)
the_falkster 1 | 180  
14 Dec 2007 /  #11
German technologies like making soap form human body

not a specifically GERMAN technology...

shouldn't have led to the ovens

eye for an eye??

German way of thinking

did you actually READ the article??

than you came across this:
But that is highly controversial, and many politicians and other groups in Germany are opposed to the idea.
as is the majority of germans...

time to speak up Poland

against what?
a minority of diluted yesterday's germans?
that would only give importance to something that is not worth it...
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #12
Return Auschwitz to its owners.

you should be careful because last time it is noticable that some people think that Poles were Nazists and only smal part of German society colaborated with us ... :))) I think that in close future we will read in press about Polish Blitzkrieg :-) and French Bombarding London durring WWII (all in all German air bases were in France) :)))))

than you came across this:But that is highly controversial, and many politicians and other groups in Germany are opposed to the idea.as is the majority of germans...

yes but idea of this center is strongly supported by your gov ...
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #13
:))) I think that in close future we will read in press about Polish Blitzkrieg :-)

You have still not apologized for the polish attack on Gleiwitz.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #14
ohhh yes :))) I remember this German idea ... maybe I will introduce this one :))

There was one German idea, maybe some people dont know about it, but I think that one day they will read it in press ... Poles started WWII in 1939, yes we atacked Germany first :-))))
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
14 Dec 2007 /  #15
yes we atacked Germany first :-))))

Poor Gerries had to defend themselves...
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #16
20 attacks,3 of them serious.Not a small deal.
the_falkster 1 | 180  
14 Dec 2007 /  #17
but idea of this center is strongly supported by your gov

wrong.
discussions about it are around since decades and nothing ever gets done. if the gov would be up for it it would have been built already. our gov fails though to send a clear signal i have to admit...

There was one German idea, maybe some people dont know about it, but I think that one day they will read it in press ... Poles started WWII in 1939, yes we atacked Germany first

where is this going now???
okay it is the weekend... did you have some drinks?? :D
(well... i did...)

Poor Gerries had to defend themselves

you too had some drinks?? :D

start to become a funny thread now...
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #18
where is this going now???okay it is the weekend... did you have some drinks?? :D(well... i did...)

I was part of Nazi propaganda ... it is fact ... but it was so pathetic that some authories decided to write about Polish dead camps :-)

but if you want some data your welcome

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

The Gleiwitz incident was a staged attack on 31 August 1939 against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Republic of Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe.

This provocation was one of several actions in Operation Himmler, a Nazi Germany SS project to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany, which would be used to justify the subsequent invasion of Poland.

Philips1 2 | 38  
14 Dec 2007 /  #19
Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland?

Well, both of you can claim many losses. Besides to me Nazis and Germans are not the same. If your question was, "should Nazis claim to be the victims in Poland?" my answer would be no.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
14 Dec 2007 /  #20
God falkster, what a Schwuchtel you are...you have not one german bone in you!
For your information:

Mrs. Merkel herself supports strongly the build...it's in the government treaty!

"...Die Vorbereitungen seien auf einem guten Weg, sagte Merkel. "Wir haben uns das im Koalitionsvertrag vorgenommen, und wir werden das umsetzen", kündigte die Kanzlerin an. Das Gedenken an die Vertreibung sei "Teil unserer deutschen Identität und Teil unserer Erinnerungskultur". Befürchtungen, durch das Gedenken könnte Geschichte relativiert werden, wies Merkel zurück. "Wir verwechseln nicht Ursache und Wirkung, wenn wir der Vertreibung gedenken", betonte die Kanzlerin....."

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,512931,00.html

And for your stupid argument that only some backwards thinking minority is interested in such things...here a little list of some very famous and respected people who support this center too!

z-g-v.de/aktuelles/?id=40

For everybody else: THE BRATWURSTBOY IS BACK! (special greetings to my Puzzler) :)
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #21
Besides to me Nazis and Germans are not the same.

yes we know that during WWII there were good Russians and bad Soviets

there were good Germans and bad Nazists

We have to invent name for our bad characters in our history :)))

Bratwurst Boy

oooo our nazi puppet is back
slick77 - | 127  
14 Dec 2007 /  #22
Besides to me Nazis and Germans are not the same.

During WWII the majority of Germans were either members of nazi organizations or supported nazi regime. Also, a lot of Germans voted or supported nazi party in the 30’s. It is because of that support Hitler came to power. So, it is safe to say that Germans, not some abstract nazis are responsible for what happened during WWII.

Even, the German government does not deny the fact that Germany should to bare responsibility for what happened during WWII.
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #23
here a little list of some very famous and respected people who support this center too!

I do not see any SS in the list.
Let's see the battle Brat vs falkster.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
14 Dec 2007 /  #24
Even today lot's of Germans see many good things in the third Reich a survey found out...
One in Four actually!

This falkster guy is so far removed from the german people it's ridiculous!

I HAD to come back! :)
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #25
When the brats appear,the falksters disappear.Poles have some right to distrust.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #26
LOL ! :):)

yes I m happy as well

this idiot will help us to prove our statemnets :)
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Dec 2007 /  #27
this idiot will help us to prove our statemnets :)

Bratwurst will play with you like the cat with the mouse.
Why the Germans always manage to give the impression they want?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
14 Dec 2007 /  #28
Which "statemnets" would that be???
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
14 Dec 2007 /  #29
just tell us what you think
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436  
14 Dec 2007 /  #30
Don't you hate these "internationalists" too???

I much prefer a nationalistic Pole to an "internationalist" with no pride in his heritage at all...

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