wzgrza
6 Oct 2009
wzgrza
25 Sep 2009
History / Polish contribution to England during war [62]
It is official.
No more Poland/Polish WWII threads on PFs. !
:)
It is official.
No more Poland/Polish WWII threads on PFs. !
:)
wzgrza
25 Sep 2009
History / Polish contribution to England during war [62]
I don't think there is anything to get worked up about. Some people like to discuss it, yes the same thing over and over again. Most of these threads are started by different people, and it seems to be a popular subject. Point is, it has nothing to do with being Polish, and nothing to do with living in the past. For those who like to look back on history, it is a debate. On a topic to which in Polands case the consequences of the outcome affect life directly in Poland today. Also some of the issues are still current issues being looked into.
See above. We're on a Polish forum, so yes, in this case I'm questioning the Polish obsession with the past.
I don't think there is anything to get worked up about. Some people like to discuss it, yes the same thing over and over again. Most of these threads are started by different people, and it seems to be a popular subject. Point is, it has nothing to do with being Polish, and nothing to do with living in the past. For those who like to look back on history, it is a debate. On a topic to which in Polands case the consequences of the outcome affect life directly in Poland today. Also some of the issues are still current issues being looked into.
wzgrza
25 Sep 2009
History / Polish contribution to England during war [62]
Some people like to remember history and discuss it?
I could say every single time I hear a Brit talk about WWII, "Why don't these guys get on with it, and stop living in the past on how great the RAF was during WWII, remember it sure.. but constantly talk about it, NO!". You think Brits don't keep bringing up WWII, and WWII related topics? Maybe not on this forum obviously, but there are many others out there.
You guys notice it and for some reason it bothers you when a Pole does it, yet when a Brit does the same thing you probably wouldnt even notice, as a matter of fact join in on the convo.
Would you say the same thing if an American started a thread "If the U.S didnt enter the war, would the allies have won?".
What I will probably never fully understand is, why all this seems to be so important to Polish people (or should I say Polish politicians?) almost 65 years after the end of WW2. Like ANZAC Day at home - never got it why anyone would give a hoot about this stinking part of history. Remembering? Yes! Living in the past? No!
Some people like to remember history and discuss it?
I could say every single time I hear a Brit talk about WWII, "Why don't these guys get on with it, and stop living in the past on how great the RAF was during WWII, remember it sure.. but constantly talk about it, NO!". You think Brits don't keep bringing up WWII, and WWII related topics? Maybe not on this forum obviously, but there are many others out there.
You guys notice it and for some reason it bothers you when a Pole does it, yet when a Brit does the same thing you probably wouldnt even notice, as a matter of fact join in on the convo.
Would you say the same thing if an American started a thread "If the U.S didnt enter the war, would the allies have won?".
wzgrza
23 Sep 2009
wzgrza
23 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
*"But also NOT directed to all western types." :)
(with the exception of the "all western types" comment - there ARE folks here in the US who are both aware of and appreciate the Polish contribution to WW2, just want to make that clear)
*"But also NOT directed to all western types." :)
wzgrza
22 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
Most of you lot fail to know the facts, especially when it comes to Poland during the WWII era, and in many cases upon being informed of said facts by Poles, you accuse Poles of telling lies, and trying to glorify Poland. Not the first, or the last time I have seen this.
When a Pole speaks up, and tries to point out the achievments of Poland, and looks for a bit or recognition, and states FACTS, which to the westerners are often UNPLEASANT from our side about the war, he is shot down and labeled as lieing about facts, and trying to glorify Poland. Maybe because some of these events take away from the percieved glory about our great "allies". For example a clear betrayal is constantly rationalized (a self defense mechanism) as we did all we could, and went to war because of Poland! (now projecting blame on Poland for their entry to the war, another self defense mechanism). *enter some baton accusing me of victimizing Poland* Yet everytime there is a thread about Poland and some of the great things they achieved, shortly after there is someone else trying to downplay that achievement. Or hell, even if there is a thread about the start of the war there is always some typical bloke who makes a dumb comment to instigate the topic and put Poland down, before a Pole even mentions anything about Poland and what happened there.
But yet it's fvcking ok with you lot to talk about how great the U.S and the U.K was from sunrise to sunset. Fvcking typical western double standards, God forbid anybody tries to take any of your steam away from you.
And if you are in your post refering to one individual, then kindly make that known, and avoid calling all Poles liars about history. Because in my experience if anybody is telling lies, and denying facts, and twisting history about Poland during WWII, or WWII, is your types.
And this post is not only directed towards you. But also not directed to all western types. I will not generalize like you did, as we have many friends from the west that we can come to terms and common ground with.
Or would you like to try and claim that Poles do not often have the unfortunate habit of lying about historical facts? I somehow doubt that even you would like to take such a foolish position.
Most of you lot fail to know the facts, especially when it comes to Poland during the WWII era, and in many cases upon being informed of said facts by Poles, you accuse Poles of telling lies, and trying to glorify Poland. Not the first, or the last time I have seen this.
When a Pole speaks up, and tries to point out the achievments of Poland, and looks for a bit or recognition, and states FACTS, which to the westerners are often UNPLEASANT from our side about the war, he is shot down and labeled as lieing about facts, and trying to glorify Poland. Maybe because some of these events take away from the percieved glory about our great "allies". For example a clear betrayal is constantly rationalized (a self defense mechanism) as we did all we could, and went to war because of Poland! (now projecting blame on Poland for their entry to the war, another self defense mechanism). *enter some baton accusing me of victimizing Poland* Yet everytime there is a thread about Poland and some of the great things they achieved, shortly after there is someone else trying to downplay that achievement. Or hell, even if there is a thread about the start of the war there is always some typical bloke who makes a dumb comment to instigate the topic and put Poland down, before a Pole even mentions anything about Poland and what happened there.
But yet it's fvcking ok with you lot to talk about how great the U.S and the U.K was from sunrise to sunset. Fvcking typical western double standards, God forbid anybody tries to take any of your steam away from you.
And if you are in your post refering to one individual, then kindly make that known, and avoid calling all Poles liars about history. Because in my experience if anybody is telling lies, and denying facts, and twisting history about Poland during WWII, or WWII, is your types.
And this post is not only directed towards you. But also not directed to all western types. I will not generalize like you did, as we have many friends from the west that we can come to terms and common ground with.
wzgrza
18 Sep 2009
News / Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...) [80]
Muslim fanatics have been around for YEARS, and will continue to exist, regardless of your occupation of Afghanistan (which is not the only terrorist hot-spot out there). The Taliban is gaining strength, and al-Qaeda is much stronger then "Operation Enduring Freedom" planned it on being.. seems there is a lot of work that still needs to be done there, a real zoo, and you need all the help you can get. ;)
Afghanistan ; which you will likely back out of with time anyways, and it will become another lost war, like Vietnam.. with less casualties.. at least on the Allied side)
You make Polands role in Afghanistan seem so insignificant, yet apparently your government doesnt seem to think so. Your government can barely show any gratitude, much less yet going to "pay" us for anything.
If your observations are built off of experience, then you must be a real low-life that these are the types of people you affiliate yourself with, and yet whats worse is it seems you allowed them to take advantage of you at one point too... each stick has two ends.
Seems I have struck a nerve with you. I always know it when these take a personal twist. You had no idea what I was even refering to, now realise I had a point and you feel stupid that it in fact did go over your head. It's ok though, nobody here really knows who you are ;)
Heres another question, if you think so poorly of Poles, why are you even on this forum?
Quick question: Do you feel that Muslim fanatics are of no threat to modern day Europeans?
Maybe it's not such a silly little war. It's just silly to you.
Maybe it's not such a silly little war. It's just silly to you.
Muslim fanatics have been around for YEARS, and will continue to exist, regardless of your occupation of Afghanistan (which is not the only terrorist hot-spot out there). The Taliban is gaining strength, and al-Qaeda is much stronger then "Operation Enduring Freedom" planned it on being.. seems there is a lot of work that still needs to be done there, a real zoo, and you need all the help you can get. ;)
Afghanistan ; which you will likely back out of with time anyways, and it will become another lost war, like Vietnam.. with less casualties.. at least on the Allied side)
Like I said we can probably "pay" you for your service. You only need to tell us you want to be paid. We will pay you .. and then you can show it to "old Europe" and maybe they'll be appeased for 10 minutes. ..
You make Polands role in Afghanistan seem so insignificant, yet apparently your government doesnt seem to think so. Your government can barely show any gratitude, much less yet going to "pay" us for anything.
And then you reveal yourselves as nothing but the little money grubbing fools that you probably are. Krysia's observations were probably built upon experience. I know my own are.
If your observations are built off of experience, then you must be a real low-life that these are the types of people you affiliate yourself with, and yet whats worse is it seems you allowed them to take advantage of you at one point too... each stick has two ends.
You got that right, slick. Dog chasing his tail is what you are. Go get em' dog
Seems I have struck a nerve with you. I always know it when these take a personal twist. You had no idea what I was even refering to, now realise I had a point and you feel stupid that it in fact did go over your head. It's ok though, nobody here really knows who you are ;)
Heres another question, if you think so poorly of Poles, why are you even on this forum?
wzgrza
18 Sep 2009
News / Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...) [80]
This has absolutly nothing to do with what I said. Wooosshhh.
Poles should be the least bit of your worries if you are worried about immigration. Poles don't come here like they used to anyways. Rightfully so.
Of those "wow 2,500 soldiers" that you speak of many have died for your little wars. But there you go a sentance later talking about your skulls knocking around on the bottom of the North Atlantic. I guess American lives are much more valubale.
Thank you? And you lot talk about how we think the world owes us something. hahah
This was in the 1800s ..when there were all kinds of jobs. That's over now. The gravy train is closed. Here's an amazing concept, stay home in Poland and grow your own economy?? I don't know, rely on yourselves???
This has absolutly nothing to do with what I said. Wooosshhh.
Poles should be the least bit of your worries if you are worried about immigration. Poles don't come here like they used to anyways. Rightfully so.
Of those "wow 2,500 soldiers" that you speak of many have died for your little wars. But there you go a sentance later talking about your skulls knocking around on the bottom of the North Atlantic. I guess American lives are much more valubale.
Thank you? And you lot talk about how we think the world owes us something. hahah
wzgrza
18 Sep 2009
News / Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...) [80]
What point? Apparently you are missing mine.
If you don't understand why people emmigrate from their home country, then there is no point of even arguing with you.
What point? Apparently you are missing mine.
If you don't understand why people emmigrate from their home country, then there is no point of even arguing with you.
wzgrza
18 Sep 2009
News / Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...) [80]
This may go over your head, but this would be sending a sign, that nobody is going to bend over here, without getting anything in return. It is a two way road. The point is not whether you care or not at all. Hardly meet any Americans who know where Poland is.. much less yet go there.
Bigger and better then everyone else? By wanting to be treated fairly? Seems you don't know what you are on about. Don't know if you have been paying attention, but money is what makes the world go round, ESPECIALLY in the good ol' U.S.A. And that's what America is to ANY fresh immigrants (including your ancestors) is MONEY!! You talk like this fact is a shock or surprise to you.
Everything you say here is driven by your clear dislike of Poles (or what at least seems like). Millions of Poles came here with nothing in hand, and worked their way up to having a home and putting their kids through school, and starting from scratch a new, normal life. So please don't mix up your relatives, and friends with the Polish population in the U.S. Way to generalize (an unfair and wrong generalization at that) an entire nationality.
Just like in any other country where there is an influx of foreigners. Remember the Irish and NYC way back when?
Besides, the English in Poland arent necessarily looked upon favorably by the Polish, either.
Typical Polish belief. Just because you need a visa you feel like a begger. There were visas to Poland, did we feel like beggers? We could care less,
This may go over your head, but this would be sending a sign, that nobody is going to bend over here, without getting anything in return. It is a two way road. The point is not whether you care or not at all. Hardly meet any Americans who know where Poland is.. much less yet go there.
Why do the Poles feel like they have to be bigger and better than everyone else? Why you trying to come here anyway? And once you're here, all you care about is how much money you make. That's what America is to Poland, MONEY.
Bigger and better then everyone else? By wanting to be treated fairly? Seems you don't know what you are on about. Don't know if you have been paying attention, but money is what makes the world go round, ESPECIALLY in the good ol' U.S.A. And that's what America is to ANY fresh immigrants (including your ancestors) is MONEY!! You talk like this fact is a shock or surprise to you.
You come here and don't obey the rules, (you make your own rules) and cheat and lie just to get ahead. Poles give a bad image in America by walking around drunk, stealing and lying and act like they are better because they came to America.
Everything you say here is driven by your clear dislike of Poles (or what at least seems like). Millions of Poles came here with nothing in hand, and worked their way up to having a home and putting their kids through school, and starting from scratch a new, normal life. So please don't mix up your relatives, and friends with the Polish population in the U.S. Way to generalize (an unfair and wrong generalization at that) an entire nationality.
And the INS does have information on the illegals, except they hide all over Chicago and can't find them.
[quote]Look what's happening in England? They can't stand you there
[quote]Look what's happening in England? They can't stand you there
Just like in any other country where there is an influx of foreigners. Remember the Irish and NYC way back when?
Besides, the English in Poland arent necessarily looked upon favorably by the Polish, either.
wzgrza
18 Sep 2009
News / Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...) [80]
Ironic this announcement comes on the 17th of September..
Ironic this announcement comes on the 17th of September..
wzgrza
17 Sep 2009
News / Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...) [80]
I don't blame him.. it's hard to read some of the bullsh!t people on here spew without getting a little worked up sometimes..
Sokrates, if you didn't want the missile shield then why are you so angry?
I don't blame him.. it's hard to read some of the bullsh!t people on here spew without getting a little worked up sometimes..
wzgrza
11 Sep 2009
News / Polish public property to be destroyed by Italian company to set up a pub. [30]
Not saying it's communism, what I meant it is the greedy communist generation, who is only interested in filling their own pockets, going against and disregarding public opinion on the matter. Capitalism isnt always that great anyways.. to an extent.
The public is against this from what I have heard yes?
What did this beach look like?
I have a feeling there is a difference between that beach, and to the little beach pub project they have going on now.
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Polish land shouldnt be being sold out to foreigners at the rate it is now anyways. It is excessive.
dude, this is capitalism at it's best.. this is not communism in any form or manner.
Not saying it's communism, what I meant it is the greedy communist generation, who is only interested in filling their own pockets, going against and disregarding public opinion on the matter. Capitalism isnt always that great anyways.. to an extent.
The public is against this from what I have heard yes?
There was a beach here until the 1950s.
What did this beach look like?
I have a feeling there is a difference between that beach, and to the little beach pub project they have going on now.
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Polish land shouldnt be being sold out to foreigners at the rate it is now anyways. It is excessive.
wzgrza
11 Sep 2009
News / Polish public property to be destroyed by Italian company to set up a pub. [30]
It all comes down to one greedy piece of sh!t who will be dipping his hands in this, and collecting the money for it. Without a care in the world for the land, and the historic value of it.
Makes me sick, typical mentality in Poland, especially in the Government. I can't wait till that communist generation dies out.
Oh and of course your gonna get all the foreigners in this thread saying how great of an idea it is.. because they don't give a flying fk... why should they.
It all comes down to one greedy piece of sh!t who will be dipping his hands in this, and collecting the money for it. Without a care in the world for the land, and the historic value of it.
Makes me sick, typical mentality in Poland, especially in the Government. I can't wait till that communist generation dies out.
Oh and of course your gonna get all the foreigners in this thread saying how great of an idea it is.. because they don't give a flying fk... why should they.
wzgrza
7 Sep 2009
News / Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert [130]
Perhaps some would listen, but surely they would not come to his concert to watch the black man perform live.
If this happened in Kenya and a black guys faced replaced a white guys face there would be absolutley zero stink about this. But since it's a fkin black guy the world is up in arms. Love the double standards.
As for the real issue why they did it, if everybody is wrong so far I don't know. Maybe the black guy said he doesnt want to be in Microsofts commercial anymore, so they had to insert a different head to avoid some sort of law suit.
Perhaps some would listen, but surely they would not come to his concert to watch the black man perform live.
If this happened in Kenya and a black guys faced replaced a white guys face there would be absolutley zero stink about this. But since it's a fkin black guy the world is up in arms. Love the double standards.
As for the real issue why they did it, if everybody is wrong so far I don't know. Maybe the black guy said he doesnt want to be in Microsofts commercial anymore, so they had to insert a different head to avoid some sort of law suit.
wzgrza
7 Sep 2009
News / Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert [130]
His whitening began before he came to do his tour in Poland, so it is possible that racist Poland would only accept him into the country had he whitened himself... he eventually gave in.
Once again. There are not many black people in Poland, so why should there be advertisements with black people on the cover? EVEN IF the product sells the same, it is fair to assume by the marketing department, that it may sell better if they change the black guy to a white guy in predominantly white Poland.
Stop searching for a deeper meaning to this then there actually is.
Last I checked the 50 cent and Beyonce concerts in Poland sold pretty well... I guess then it is fair to say that Poles arent racist, but in fact fans of sh!t music?
Do you think that Microsoft Poland had their hands in his whitening?
His whitening began before he came to do his tour in Poland, so it is possible that racist Poland would only accept him into the country had he whitened himself... he eventually gave in.
Explain to me: does the functionality of the product change once the colour of the person that sells it, changes?
Once again. There are not many black people in Poland, so why should there be advertisements with black people on the cover? EVEN IF the product sells the same, it is fair to assume by the marketing department, that it may sell better if they change the black guy to a white guy in predominantly white Poland.
Stop searching for a deeper meaning to this then there actually is.
Last I checked the 50 cent and Beyonce concerts in Poland sold pretty well... I guess then it is fair to say that Poles arent racist, but in fact fans of sh!t music?
wzgrza
7 Sep 2009
News / Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert [130]
Perhaps the other nations that you speak of have higher numbers of blacks in them. That would only seem logical.
White people prefering to look at an advertisement with a white face on it is not racist.
If white people prefered to look at an advertisement with a black face on it instead, I would consider that strange. But in todays typical "western" type of thinking, with increasingly politically correct views, where people make up their mind going by what is considered PC and what's not, I am probably going to get labeled a racist for even having such an opinion.
Perhaps the other nations that you speak of have higher numbers of blacks in them. That would only seem logical.
White people prefering to look at an advertisement with a white face on it is not racist.
If white people prefered to look at an advertisement with a black face on it instead, I would consider that strange. But in todays typical "western" type of thinking, with increasingly politically correct views, where people make up their mind going by what is considered PC and what's not, I am probably going to get labeled a racist for even having such an opinion.
wzgrza
7 Sep 2009
News / Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert [130]
No. That is what you would like it to say.
What it actually says is that white people identify themselves better with white people, and it is smart marketing.
I guess though for some this concept is a little difficult to grasp.
No. That is what you would like it to say.
What it actually says is that white people identify themselves better with white people, and it is smart marketing.
I guess though for some this concept is a little difficult to grasp.
wzgrza
7 Sep 2009
News / Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert [130]
This entire thread is a ridiculous PC joke.
This coin also has a flip side which says, why does it have to be a black person in the advert, and can't be a white person? Are some of you here racist against whites?
There are not many black people in Poland, therefore marketing tries to target the (white) population they can identify with. That is all there is.
You can all take your politically correct BS elsewhere. Companies and people in marketing have minds, and can think for themselves, and don't need trends, and what is politically correct or not, to make decisions/make up their minds for what will sell their product best.
You say it is "racist" boo hoo / I say it is smart marketing. Bunch of poofs some of you are.
This entire thread is a ridiculous PC joke.
This coin also has a flip side which says, why does it have to be a black person in the advert, and can't be a white person? Are some of you here racist against whites?
There are not many black people in Poland, therefore marketing tries to target the (white) population they can identify with. That is all there is.
You can all take your politically correct BS elsewhere. Companies and people in marketing have minds, and can think for themselves, and don't need trends, and what is politically correct or not, to make decisions/make up their minds for what will sell their product best.
You say it is "racist" boo hoo / I say it is smart marketing. Bunch of poofs some of you are.
wzgrza
5 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]
"Wyślemy do Afganistanu kolejnych 17 Rosomaków, a także helikoptery Mi17 i Mi-24 - powiedział w Polsat News Stanisław Komorowski."
Speaking of pouring money into unnecessary things and brown nosing the U.S
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I don't have any example at the moment, he just gives me that impression. He doesnt seem like a good leader. Even watching him at the ceremony walking sandwitched in the back between Merkel and Putin, and we were the hosting nation, how embaressing.
"Wyślemy do Afganistanu kolejnych 17 Rosomaków, a także helikoptery Mi17 i Mi-24 - powiedział w Polsat News Stanisław Komorowski."
Speaking of pouring money into unnecessary things and brown nosing the U.S
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How would a Tusk "sell out" look like?
I don't have any example at the moment, he just gives me that impression. He doesnt seem like a good leader. Even watching him at the ceremony walking sandwitched in the back between Merkel and Putin, and we were the hosting nation, how embaressing.
wzgrza
5 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]
He just gives me that feeling and impression. Not those countries in particular, but anybody.. he just seems like a pushover when it comes to intl. matters.
He just gives me that feeling and impression. Not those countries in particular, but anybody.. he just seems like a pushover when it comes to intl. matters.
wzgrza
5 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]
Why they bicker is this : Because most Poles, regardless of what they say, deep down inside all have a love for their country, and are proud of it. But at the same time they are pissed that it is so ****** up, that they have to migrate to different lands, in order to have normal, economically stable lives. So therefore they swear at it. It is an interesting paradox, and that is what I have come up with.
Why they bicker is this : Because most Poles, regardless of what they say, deep down inside all have a love for their country, and are proud of it. But at the same time they are pissed that it is so ****** up, that they have to migrate to different lands, in order to have normal, economically stable lives. So therefore they swear at it. It is an interesting paradox, and that is what I have come up with.
wzgrza
4 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]
Well said. How can they keep trying to fight other peoples wars, when they can't even fight their own at the moment.
Well said. How can they keep trying to fight other peoples wars, when they can't even fight their own at the moment.
wzgrza
4 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]
These are reasons I like Kaczynski... for what we have to choose from.
Tusk I think would sell out Poland to the Germans or Russians in a New York minute. Not to be trusted, and it worries me having him in such a powerful position.
These are reasons I like Kaczynski... for what we have to choose from.
Tusk I think would sell out Poland to the Germans or Russians in a New York minute. Not to be trusted, and it worries me having him in such a powerful position.
wzgrza
4 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
Listen i know Poles well and with all due respect their a bunch of bull shiteing bastads, how many confirmed kills from units out side 303 that observed the dog fights? not alot i suppose.They pull all that shite all the time...
wzgrza
4 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]
This is true, and brown nosing the U.S all the time gives Poland fck-all.
Poland need government working in the interest of Poland.
This is true, and brown nosing the U.S all the time gives Poland fck-all.
wzgrza
4 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
Way to judge an entire population on one guy not paying rent. hahaha
Well said. Especially the last paragraph, as it is quite a common occurance.
You could give me 1,000 stories, and it would'nt be enough.
I obviously wasnt refering to your tenant stories.. but to what I quoted.
I had a tenant not pay rent for three months on one of my apartments the other day, i issued a court order and he claimed the 1300 PLN / month i quoted him was what he interpreted as annual, so that would have been 108 PLN / month or 27 PLN per week on a luxury apartment..
Way to judge an entire population on one guy not paying rent. hahaha
Harry you make it sound as the only Poles that flew in Battle of Britain were in 303 Sqn. Looking at specific units you will find that:
Well said. Especially the last paragraph, as it is quite a common occurance.
Fcuking hell dont even get me started, believe me.
You could give me 1,000 stories, and it would'nt be enough.
Do you want it all? do you really want to hear it all? Current: my experiences with Polish tenants i got loads.
I obviously wasnt refering to your tenant stories.. but to what I quoted.
wzgrza
3 Sep 2009
News / Gazeta Wyborcza: US Backing Off Polish Missile Bases [40]
Good, I did not want this shield in Poland to start with.
Secondly, this is just another indication of currently stressed political ties with the U.S.
The new Obama administration changing their mind on placing the missle shield in Poland is a slap to our government, who was for a long time striving with the Bush administration to have the shield stationed there.
This goes along with Obamas current stance on trying to fix U.S - Russian relations.
Even on the ceremony yesterday, for the start of WWII, the Obama administration sent retired general Joe Shmoe, with his limo driver to represent the U.S. delegation there. Laughable... especially to commerorate the start of a conflict in which the U.S so proudly portrays itself as the saviour of Europe in all of its Hollywood blockbusters... the latest being "Inglorious bastards".
I have thought for long that Poland needs to re-assess, who are the real allies they can count on, and trying to work on that. The U.S does not care about Poland.
Not even going to mention the VISAs..
Good, I did not want this shield in Poland to start with.
Secondly, this is just another indication of currently stressed political ties with the U.S.
The new Obama administration changing their mind on placing the missle shield in Poland is a slap to our government, who was for a long time striving with the Bush administration to have the shield stationed there.
This goes along with Obamas current stance on trying to fix U.S - Russian relations.
Even on the ceremony yesterday, for the start of WWII, the Obama administration sent retired general Joe Shmoe, with his limo driver to represent the U.S. delegation there. Laughable... especially to commerorate the start of a conflict in which the U.S so proudly portrays itself as the saviour of Europe in all of its Hollywood blockbusters... the latest being "Inglorious bastards".
I have thought for long that Poland needs to re-assess, who are the real allies they can count on, and trying to work on that. The U.S does not care about Poland.
Not even going to mention the VISAs..
wzgrza
3 Sep 2009
News / Poland Remembers start of WW2 [200]
You are right, Churchill did know about what the Ruskies would do. But it's not that nobody listened, it's that Churchill never really spoke up. As far as Poland goes, FDR was really the initiator, and the one who pushed Poland under the knife with Stalin to start with. The betrayal from Churchills side comes as there were many agreements between him, and the Polish government in London, assuring us that Poland would come out of the conflict as an independant and soverign nation, with its borders untouched.
After the conference in Tehran, your heard less and less about Poland from both FDR and Churchill. FDR and Churchill were both busy brown nosing Stalin, and bending over to every one of his demands, as if they themselves had no negotiating power. Whatever it took to keep uncle Joe happy, they did.
Stalin was made to look like a hero, and became a warm family type member in British media. Nothing was mentioned of the betrayal starting to take place. Articles on Katyn were covered up and not published during that time to not upset uncle Joe. English writers within the UK who saw what was going on and questioned Churchills and FDRs agenda with Poland in their articles, never saw their articles published. The media was sensored. Churchill in the end did nothing for Poland after the war. FDR assured Stalin that he would give him a free hand in Poland after the war.. and that is what happened.
The allies had much more negotiating power then they used, but they just wanted the war to be over. Who cares about some distant piece of land to the East. The same appeasement of Hitler (the conference in Munich), which Churchill was very much against, he allowed to happen with Stalin in the case of Poland, a few years later.
i think you will find that Churchill gave plenty of warnings about what the Ruski's would do to those in its occupied territories
You are right, Churchill did know about what the Ruskies would do. But it's not that nobody listened, it's that Churchill never really spoke up. As far as Poland goes, FDR was really the initiator, and the one who pushed Poland under the knife with Stalin to start with. The betrayal from Churchills side comes as there were many agreements between him, and the Polish government in London, assuring us that Poland would come out of the conflict as an independant and soverign nation, with its borders untouched.
After the conference in Tehran, your heard less and less about Poland from both FDR and Churchill. FDR and Churchill were both busy brown nosing Stalin, and bending over to every one of his demands, as if they themselves had no negotiating power. Whatever it took to keep uncle Joe happy, they did.
Stalin was made to look like a hero, and became a warm family type member in British media. Nothing was mentioned of the betrayal starting to take place. Articles on Katyn were covered up and not published during that time to not upset uncle Joe. English writers within the UK who saw what was going on and questioned Churchills and FDRs agenda with Poland in their articles, never saw their articles published. The media was sensored. Churchill in the end did nothing for Poland after the war. FDR assured Stalin that he would give him a free hand in Poland after the war.. and that is what happened.
The allies had much more negotiating power then they used, but they just wanted the war to be over. Who cares about some distant piece of land to the East. The same appeasement of Hitler (the conference in Munich), which Churchill was very much against, he allowed to happen with Stalin in the case of Poland, a few years later.