rich55
5 Nov 2009
News / 14 year old rape victim from Warsaw denied abortion! [348]
Mmm, not so sure cheehaw. Heard plenty of people claim God or Jesus has helped them but I've never seen the evidence. I can understand how at a difficult time your faith in a god and words from a holy book can give you strength, courage and support; but to say that God or Jesus has physically done something to help you is simply twisting an interpretation of the way something occurred to try and prove the existence of a god. When I hear people say 'Oh I prayed to God and this happened and it saved me from harm..' I always wonder why God didn't bother to save the millions of people who must have been praying to their last breath to be saved as they starved in concentration camps, choked in the gas chambers, shook with fear as they were lined up to be shot. Tell me, why was your 'behind' considered by God to be worth saving and their behinds weren't?
Powerful words; some might say beautiful in a strange way. But it doesn't alter the fact that so often when believers in God are asked to show some logical, proveable evidence for their belief, or at least something that can withstand a degree of questioning, they quote from the very book which non-believers are asking them to prove is the true word of a god.
The way I see it, if anyone who is going to use the god/religion argument to oppose abortion, they need to show some evidence of the validity of their sources, i.e God and the Bible or whatever holy sources their beliefs are based upon. This isn't just an anti-Christian stance I'm taking but I would include any other faith if their believers were to use their religious beliefs as an argument against abortion. You see, the problem with using the god/religion 'facts' as the basis for your argument is that you need to convert the non-believer to your faith before you can actually use this argument, which probably isn't going to happen as such a person will always require some rationality when all you can offer is irrationality.
Jesus is real have no doubt. saved my behind a few times. more.
Mmm, not so sure cheehaw. Heard plenty of people claim God or Jesus has helped them but I've never seen the evidence. I can understand how at a difficult time your faith in a god and words from a holy book can give you strength, courage and support; but to say that God or Jesus has physically done something to help you is simply twisting an interpretation of the way something occurred to try and prove the existence of a god. When I hear people say 'Oh I prayed to God and this happened and it saved me from harm..' I always wonder why God didn't bother to save the millions of people who must have been praying to their last breath to be saved as they starved in concentration camps, choked in the gas chambers, shook with fear as they were lined up to be shot. Tell me, why was your 'behind' considered by God to be worth saving and their behinds weren't?
"Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne etc etc."
Powerful words; some might say beautiful in a strange way. But it doesn't alter the fact that so often when believers in God are asked to show some logical, proveable evidence for their belief, or at least something that can withstand a degree of questioning, they quote from the very book which non-believers are asking them to prove is the true word of a god.
The way I see it, if anyone who is going to use the god/religion argument to oppose abortion, they need to show some evidence of the validity of their sources, i.e God and the Bible or whatever holy sources their beliefs are based upon. This isn't just an anti-Christian stance I'm taking but I would include any other faith if their believers were to use their religious beliefs as an argument against abortion. You see, the problem with using the god/religion 'facts' as the basis for your argument is that you need to convert the non-believer to your faith before you can actually use this argument, which probably isn't going to happen as such a person will always require some rationality when all you can offer is irrationality.