Genealogy / I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony? [48]

BrutalButcher
Yes but we are not talking about being an Israely citizen>we are talking about being Jewish.

Genealogy / I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony? [48]

I said "Fail" because he said Ashkenazi is a nationality...
Yes ,you are born Jewish if your mom, father or grandparents are/Were Jewish.

I did say I assumed Ashkenazi was the nationality. Being Catholic I wasn't sure...have heard the term just never bothered to look it up. I just got the breakdown from my wife on the diferences.

It is incorrect however to state if the grandparents and father were jewish than you were born Jewish. Unless you of course are speaking about the maternal grandmother. The father has nothing to do with it.

Genealogy / I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony? [48]

Seanus

I understand ...my point is ...some words have an undeniable conotation even when said in jest or ignorance. If the Germans were more fortunate in WWII . THe word Jew would probably mean something entirely different today.

Genealogy / I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony? [48]

Seanus
I would love to see Seanus walk into NYC around 125th street and scream I have come to talk to a nig*er . As they beat him to a pulp, you could reply I have heard American rap and thought it was ok to use that word.

Jew is only derogatory if thrown that way.

But I do agree with you the word has become so commomplace it is how one "throws it". Maybe its just me. I grew up around Polish jokes my entire life they never seemed to bother me but the word polack still does.

Genealogy / I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony? [48]

yehudi
It is not even close. unless you are talking about the term Polack.

He's a Polish-American, these guys seem to have a serious problem with everything Jewish. I think it's because there are more Jews than Poles in America and they're more respected that Polish-Americans are, so they feel outnumbered and underappreciated or something.

not sure if this coment was directed at myself. I am a bit sensitive to the term Jew as my wife practices the Jewish faith. She is Russian. I practice Roman Catholicism. I am half Polish and half Irish. I have no problem with my wife being Jewish.

How is the Term "jew" derogatory?

As an American and being married to one, I am probably more sesitive to the word Jew than most.

Genealogy / I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony? [48]

BrutalButcher

What does Fail mean. First of all you have it backwards. You are not born a Jew. You may practice the Jewish faith but the nationality was in ancient times Hebrews and more modernly Israelis. Although I will give you this there is what I lovingly call the "Mutt clause" that according to Jewish law a person isn't Jewish unless the mother is.

The term Jew is derogatory although unfortunately common place nowadays. and although the term semetic does include several people generally around the Middle east it generally in modern times refers primary to those of the Jewish faith.

Genealogy / I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony? [48]

Yasonas
I have never heard of a Jewish gene. Jewish is a religion not a nationality. of course I am assuming Ashkenazi is the nationality.

Genealogy / Polish Professional Genealogists, experience with them? [5]

escapee3
He discusses prices with you before he does the work. When I started with him, I was worried that he was going to take me to the cleaners. He was supportive. So were the people who I contacted that had used him in the past. I used him for both my Grandmother and my Grandfathers family. I was more interested in information on my paternal side however. It turns out Zadrozny is a much more populr name than Skibniewski. (there were several famlies living in the area vs only 1 skibniewski family) I also got frustrated because I never got my grandfathers birth certificate. My grandfather was born in 1886. The records for 1870's and 1880's were not at the archives. Destroyed in the war or lost in fire. This was very distressing for me as the information he was finding seemed meaningless unless there was proof it was actually him. I have around 120 records brth/death/marriages that he translated for me. Records went back to 1806 for both familes. He found 4 generations of family on my grandmothers side and 3 on my grandfathers. It takes time to order films so there were large gaps between getting information which was a relief and curse at the same time. I was anxious to get the information but also it allowed me a break so I could make payments rather than pay a large sum at once. During one of these breaks I posted my rsults on Nasza Klasa. I attempted to use a translator program to post a message in Polish. Apparently the translators are not that accurate because the lone responder told me she was impressed with my attempt but felt my message was not getting across. She asked if I needed some help. She translated a post I wanted to write and I posted her translation and sent posts to members with same surname. Within 2 weeks I got a responce from my second cousin once removed. He told me I had 35 living cousins living in Poland and in the UK. I have had several conversations with the ones in the UK and found one of my cousins is getting married next year. Not sure if I can but I may try and attend. This discovery made all my worries and doubts disappear.

Genealogy / Polish Professional Genealogists, experience with them? [5]

escapee3
The time spent varied with my genealogist. But for each branch of family it would take aprox 4-6 hours. Travel costs are also involved. After the initial search proved successful, he suggested ordering the LDS films as this will cut down on costs. It did because ordering documents can get expensive when ordering from the archives. He took digital photos from the LDS films ad did not charge me rather than ordering from the archive at $6 - $8 per document. It can be frustrating and I understand your apprehension. I too was taken back when I layed out the money, however, my results were priceless. One thing that was unique about Emil was he didn't ask for the money up front. He seems very honest and understands the economy is down. He may even work with you.

polishgenealogy.com.pl
polishgenealogy@rubikon.pl is his page on the net.

Genealogy / last name cieryt [9]

There are 13 Cieryt's on

nasza-klasa.pl/szukaj?q=Cieryt

This is a site very similar to facebook in Polish.

Genealogy / If He didn't come to America by way of Ellis Island.....! [25]

Barbee
Declaration of intent or petition for naturalization papers are most probablt located in the state where your grandparents met and married. I believe you will find what you are looking for using this link

genealogybranches.com/naturalization.html

if not let me know and I will double check for you.

Genealogy / Can anyone recommend a researcher they have used in Australia?? [8]

poliwog
Are you sure the information you have is accurate. What documents do you have currently with your mothers maiden name and or place of birth? Unfortunately sometimes even with accurate information birth records sometimes can not be found because they were destroyed, etc.

Genealogy / Can anyone recommend a researcher they have used in Australia?? [8]

poliwog
That is a major problem. Emil is very good. He has contacts at many of the archives and visits them frequently. I am sorry it did not work out for you. I unfortunately was unable to find my grandfathers birth record as well as the archives are missing the records for the decade my grandfather was born. He was however to find a tremendous amount of information going back a couple of generations in my family so far. I am still waiting for the LDS records for 1800 - 1830. Did he say you didn't give him enough information or were the archives missing records. If they are there he usually comes up with something.

Genealogy / Looking for Kustowski [5]

Sammie
I am going to assume that your Father and uncle came over to the usa. Did they become citizens? If so you want to locate a document called Petition for naturalization or Declaration of intention. This document will state the ship your father came over on and the date he came over as well as the last known address (it is usually the town not the address) at which he was living prior to coming over. It also list where your father was born. Good luck.

Genealogy / If He didn't come to America by way of Ellis Island.....! [25]

Domino
Thank god, I thought I was going crazy. Were you able to find your grandfather naturalization papers? I wish you the best of luck.

Genealogy / If He didn't come to America by way of Ellis Island.....! [25]

Domino
Hello Domino. maybe i am a little slow today but i did not understand your response. I posted a link to where one could find naturalization papers and which one someone may be interested in looking for. i thought this was an adequate reponse to the post u wrote right above mine. Did I miss something? and what does ufdah stand for? i am sorry if this repetitive.

Genealogy / Surnames Janiewicka and Weshesfisky and Dumore [4]

carolynegould
Well there are a few places you can look :
1 what was the religion of your husband stepfather and mother. If Catholic than try to find the marriage certificate. Back than it was probably in Latin, find polish catholic churches (doesn't have to be but most poles tended to try and find ethnic churches and go out of thier way to attend) near where your family resided. Most churches I have called have bent over backwards to help find records. Most times the marriage certificate will list the town where the couple was born/baptized.

2 If john weshesfisky became a citizen it is possible his spouces information will be listed on the petition of naturalization record. This is not guaranteed but it tends to be more specific/accurate than soc sec records.

Genealogy / Can anyone recommend a researcher they have used in Australia?? [8]

King Sobieski
$20.00 per hr documents found range from 6- 8 dollars per document. He will translate document in full if requested. He will discuss all numbers and give you all options ahead of time.

Genealogy / Can anyone recommend a researcher they have used in Australia?? [8]

polishgenealogy@rubikon.pl is his email u can also check out his site at polishgenealogy.com

His name is Emil Krasnodebski. I have used him to trace my grandfather and grandmothers family name back as far as he can. If you would like any questions answered either msg me privately or post and I will reply quickly. He is fairly reasonable but is very knowledgable.

Emil can translate not only Polish, but Russian, Latin and old Greek.

Do you have the town where your mothers family came from?

Genealogy / If He didn't come to America by way of Ellis Island.....! [25]

Domino
Do you know which state your relative stayed in when they arrived. You can try this link it is how I found my grandfathers naturalization papers.

genealogybranches.com/naturalization.html

as far as which ones to get the petition is the earlier of the 2 documents, both documents have very similar information on them. the second document is nice to get also because it was the later document (usually 5 years) and includes spouce information and children and thier current address. For persons seeking women relatives:

From 1855 to 1922 alien women became citizens automatically if they married an American citizen. Women could derive citizenship from their spouses until 1922 when the law was changed... ( This is not necessarily a dead end if you know the husbands name and where he was naturalized, his Petition for Naturalization includes some spouce information including where spouce was born)

After 22 Sept 1922 an alien woman who married a US citizen could skip the Declaration of Intention and file for a Naturalization Petition. But if an alien woman married an alien man (after 22 Sept 1922) she would have to start her Naturalization proceedings at the beginning with a Declaration of Intention.

Genealogy / No documents found regarding my late grandfather? (born in Grajewo) [23]

I know this seems obvious but have you also tried where the husbands family resided. It is possible that she went to live with the husbands family also. I believe Caprice49 was suggesting that since her husband died your grandmother may have or the civil regestry office may have entered the birth under her maiden name since the husband was no longer around.

I don't want to sound negative but I had the same situation where I found all my grandfathers sibling information but not his. He was born in 1886 in the Stary Luboten region and the records for the 1870's and some of the 1880's were lost so I never got his birth registry. It is possible that the records are lost due to the wars. I would never give up though.

Genealogy / If He didn't come to America by way of Ellis Island.....! [25]

This document is packed full of information including for all of you people looking for where your relatives came from last known address in poland and the exact date of arrival and the ship they came over on.

Forgot to mention that the ship and date of arrival is guaranteed to be there as the person seeking citizenship would not be approved unless all iformation provided was accurate and checked out.

Genealogy / If He didn't come to America by way of Ellis Island.....! [25]

kolechowicz
OK first just because you checked the records for ellis island doesn't mean its not there. I searched and searched for my grandfathers record but couldn't find it until I found another wonderful document. Did your grandfather ever become a citizen of the United states. If so you want to find a document called his declaration of intent or petition for naturalization. This document is packed full of information including for all of you people looking for where your relatives came from last known address in poland and the exact date of arrival and the ship they came over on.

Chin up the record keepers at ellis island were notorious for mispelling polish immigrant names. My grandfather was Andrew (Andrzej) Skibniewski they spelled it Andrry Shalemswsky . he came over on The Gneisenau on March 16, 1906. I found the record online and to tell you the truth it looks like Skibniewski to me on the passenger list, I am not quite sure how they screwed up the spelling so bad.

Genealogy / No documents found regarding my late grandfather? (born in Grajewo) [23]

I unfortunately do not know what the proper Catholic parish was for the Grajewo area but from what I have read it seems he may not have been born there . You may try Radzilow there was a large jewish population in this area in the time period when your grandfather was born and it is only 17 miles away from Grajewo . It is hard to nail down where to look when you are not sure where your grandfather was born? :( I will do additional research and see if I can find something for you.

Genealogy / DNA Test Poland [29]

amoeba
I was only implying that the more she puts monetary pressure on you the more she puts a strain on your ( I hope ) happy relationship with your wife. I feel for you. Can you attempt to take her to court in Ireland based on the fact that is where she got pregnant?

Genealogy / Suwalki - Buckiewicz Polish names... [12]

Have you tried nasza-klasa there are 18 Buckiewicz listed there. Not sure if any of them are the ones you are looking for.

Genealogy / DNA Test Poland [29]

amoeba

If she knows you are married she is in a position of strength and can cause you many problems which as you said is her intent. I agree with the post above I would not pay a dime until she takes the test. It is unfortunate that you are not interested in the future of the child or you would have even more leverage if you decided to sue for custody. Anyway good luck to you.

Genealogy / DNA Test Poland [29]

well I would assume you will have to aproach the same court that she applied for original support. If you don't trust the lawyer you used before get another one. Does she know you are married? If so , you have a problem.

Genealogy / No documents found regarding my late grandfather? (born in Grajewo) [23]

Saw your post on Polish forums.com was curious what the reply said from the State archives in Lomza? I have heard this is an extremely difficult archive to gain access to as the chief is at the

same time a teacher at the seminary and archive is closed in June-August,
the rest of the year is opened 2-3 hours a day, only 2-3 days a week. It's
necessary to make an appointment before visit.

Although your family was jewish you may still want to try the local church as they often recorded all births not just catholics. You want to try to find out what the proper Roman Catholic parish was for the area and give them a shot.You may try the Stary Luboten archives.

Genealogy / DNA Test Poland [29]

I have a question and a comment. First how did she get court ordered child support without a DNA test. What court Poland or Ireland? You will have to get a court ordered Dna test. I would not think you will have to pay any legal fees for the mother, based on the fact she will have none unless she tries to fight it which I doubt she will be able to.. You will have to pay for the test and your fees.

I feel bad for the bashing you received in your previous post. If the child is proven yours it is both your and her responcibility to care for the child.

However for all of the bashers out there, why should this man pay for a child that is not his. The court that awarded support without a DNA test is a farce. If this was the case a child could get pregnant from her boyfriend and point at the first guy she sees and say thats the one who should pay for my child.