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I Gotta Ask: Who Else Is a Jewish-Polish Person With an Interesting Testimony?


Nickidewbear 23 | 583  
18 Sep 2009 /  #1
Meanwhile, I still have to try to compile some of what I've already written to present my testimony in a more complete form (maybe I'll even make a YouTube video on it and put a link to it); but I want to hear other testimonies of Messianic and non-Messianic (Christian and non-Christian) Jewish-Polish people and Jewish people of Jewish-Polish descent. For example, if God used your crypto-Jewish Catholic family to bring salvation to you and some others in your family, I want to hear that story (to which, as I've alluded to already, I can relate).
Yasonas - | 2  
18 Dec 2009 /  #2
I have always thought myself to be mostly Polish (according to family) however, after having my dna tested, it seems on my mother's side (mtdna), there is an awful lot of similarities to the Ashkenazi Jewish gene data base. Not sure if this is coincidence or if there is some real evidence there. For what it matters, all I know is that my great grandmother's last name was £os, and she was from BiaƂystok. Furthermore, she never said anything about this. Coincidence? Truth? Something hidden? Who knows?

I also match my Mtdna in HVR I and HVR II at a genetic distance of 0 to a person who is Jewish and whose mother has lived in Israel since the 1700's? Strange? Haplogroup is H, subclade is pending results. I might also add that I match with someone whose family is from Belgium. Of course these matches are many generations ago.
jonni 16 | 2,485  
18 Dec 2009 /  #3
present my testimony

Testimony of what - a court case?
markskibniewski 3 | 200  
19 Dec 2009 /  #4
Yasonas
I have never heard of a Jewish gene. Jewish is a religion not a nationality. of course I am assuming Ashkenazi is the nationality.
BrutalButcher - | 391  
19 Dec 2009 /  #5
markskibniewski

Fail. There isn't an ashkenazi nationality, since "Ashkenazi" isn't a country....it's a group of Jews.

There is indeed a "Jewish" gene and it's the one born-Jews have...it connects them to other semitic peoples like Arabs, Armenians and so on.

Of course, converts to Judaism don't have that gene, but I can assure you that when you're a Jew, you're part of the nation of Israel and a descendant of the israelites.
markskibniewski 3 | 200  
19 Dec 2009 /  #7
BrutalButcher

What does Fail mean. First of all you have it backwards. You are not born a Jew. You may practice the Jewish faith but the nationality was in ancient times Hebrews and more modernly Israelis. Although I will give you this there is what I lovingly call the "Mutt clause" that according to Jewish law a person isn't Jewish unless the mother is.

The term Jew is derogatory although unfortunately common place nowadays. and although the term semetic does include several people generally around the Middle east it generally in modern times refers primary to those of the Jewish faith.
yehudi 1 | 432  
20 Dec 2009 /  #8
The term Jew is derogatory

That's like saying the term "Pole" is derogatory. It is only to someone who thinks it is.
BrutalButcher - | 391  
20 Dec 2009 /  #9
What does Fail mean. First of all you have it backwards. You are not born a Jew. You may practice the Jewish faith but the nationality was in ancient times Hebrews and more modernly Israelis. Although I will give you this there is what I lovingly call the "Mutt clause" that according to Jewish law a person isn't Jewish unless the mother is.
The term Jew is derogatory although unfortunately common place nowadays. and although the term semetic does include several people generally around the Middle east it generally in modern times refers primary to those of the Jewish faith.

I said "Fail" because he said Ashkenazi is a nationality...
Yes ,you are born Jewish if your mom, father or grandparents are/Were Jewish.
How is the Term "jew" derogatory?
vetala - | 382  
20 Dec 2009 /  #10
How is the Term "jew" derogatory?

He's a Polish-American, these guys seem to have a serious problem with everything Jewish. I think it's because there are more Jews than Poles in America and they're more respected that Polish-Americans are, so they feel outnumbered and underappreciated or something.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
20 Dec 2009 /  #11
these guys seem to have a serious problem with everything Jewish.

That's a Polonophobic generalization.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
20 Dec 2009 /  #12
If you can call the Jews a nation, i.e Jewish nation, then why can't you say the Ashkenazi nation as they fulfil the same criteria as other Jews, maybe bar Israeli Jews as they have their own country with defined (semi) national borders?

Jew is only derogatory if thrown that way.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #13
"Ashkenazi" isn't a country

Ashkenaz = Germany

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

Ashkenazi Jews,......
"the Jews of Ashkenaz"), are the Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north. Ashkenaz is the medieval Hebrew name for this region and thus for Germany. Thus, Ashkenazim or Ashkenazi Jews are literally "German Jews."

Later, Jews from Western and Central Europe came to be called "Ashkenaz" because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Ashkenazi intelligence is the conjecture that the higher general intelligence measured in IQ tests of Ashkenazi

German Jews have an higher IQ as other Jews....also Germans have an higher IQ as other Europeans (coincidence?)
jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

The Yiddish language, which many people think of as the international language of Judaism, is really the language of Ashkenazic Jews.

Most American Jews today are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s

BrutalButcher - | 391  
20 Dec 2009 /  #14
Bratwurst Boy

If you have such a high IQ you wouldn't marry Turks:P
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #15
If you have such a high IQ you wouldn't marry Turks:P

Nobody with ANY IQ would...

Seriously I prefer the Ashkenazim to any oriental immigrant! They are smart, value education and business and behave, most are secular now anyhow....
BrutalButcher - | 391  
20 Dec 2009 /  #16
Bratwurst Boy

Explain German women being so keen on spending their lives with an Erhan :D or with a Mohammed or with a Jamal or with a Khaled?

I read the article and I can only say :Fail. Israel's average IQ is normal, and it's the Jewish state. Ashkenazi Jews have good mathematical and verbal abilities, but that's about it.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #17
Explain German women being so keen on spending their lives with an Erhan :D or with a Mohammed or with a Jamal or with a Khaled?

Take your "fail" and shove it where the sun doesn't shine arsehole! Who cares....

Israel's IQ is average because of the many sephardim and mizrahim and arabs now.
isteve.blogspot.com/2005/06/ashkenazi-vs-sephardic-intelligence.html

You will see a lowering of the IQ in all those peoples who mix to much!
BrutalButcher - | 391  
20 Dec 2009 /  #18
Take your "fail" and shove it where the sun doesn't shine arsehole! Who cares....

Israel's IQ is average because of the many sephardim and mizrahim and arabs now.

I'd rather not shove it and let it shine there so others can see that the article you base your argument upon is full of fallacies.

Israel's IQ is average beecause of the Arabs.

Germans are more intelligent than other Europeans...Deutschen ueber alles?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #19
Germans are more intelligent than other Europeans...Deutschen ueber alles?

Heh :)
If you want to put it that way!

(But Poles and Dutch are close)

...is full of fallacies....

What fallacies?
There are facts and stats and numbers...totally unbiased!

ethnicgenome.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/ashkenazi-mizrahi-arab-iq-in-israel
BrutalButcher - | 391  
20 Dec 2009 /  #20
Bratwurst Boy

The article claims that Israel's ashkenazim are mixed with the Sephardim. Good scores for my people anyways :P
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #21
Yeah...from around 115 down to 90....congrats!
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #23
And German's IQ is?

Without the many Turks we would surely score higher...
BrutalButcher - | 391  
20 Dec 2009 /  #24
Bratwurst Boy
Wonders who made the test.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #25
Did you really never hear of it? It was THE news some times back :)

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece
BrutalButcher - | 391  
20 Dec 2009 /  #26
Bratwurst Boy

I see. Well, who cares? Germany is the most powerful country in Europe...the richest....and the most doomed .
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363  
20 Dec 2009 /  #27
the most doomed .

....as compared to Israel??? I think we will survive you, no fear! ;)
vetala - | 382  
20 Dec 2009 /  #30
That's a Polonophobic generalization.

Nope. I'm Polish and I don't consider Poles to be antisemitic at all. The myth of 'Polish Antisemitism' was and still is fuelled mainly by Polish Americans, many of whom are stuck in the kind of thinking that was popular in Poland 100 years ago. How else would you explain the fact that nearly all Polish Americans who speak on this forum are either antisemites or proudly proclaim that they've freed themselves from traditional Polish antisemitic thinking? I don't mean that ALL Polish-Americans are antisemites, ofcourse, they just seem to truly believe that this is expected of them.

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