Ironside
13 May 2009
Ironside
13 May 2009
Ironside
13 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Polish PM before a war was Składkowski, with Mościcki as President!
Only other polish PM during the war with M - Mikołajczyk!?
Which one?
In fact. Churchill didn't like the then Polish PM. I forgot his name. It begins with M.
Polish PM before a war was Składkowski, with Mościcki as President!
Only other polish PM during the war with M - Mikołajczyk!?
Which one?
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
WWII - if not Poland it would be France, Belgium or Greece or maybe Soviets were war would have been started!
Before Austria then Czechoslovakia all were nice to Mr Hitler - look what they get in return .
Maybe Britain should give to Germany some of their colonies ? for a good measure - why not?
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4LaLDG5xE
Battenbergs and all that ....
Lets face it,when will Poland take responsibility for playing a huge part in causing ww2 to start with its usuall pompous attitude when it came to Danzig? Why not just give the Germans the road and rail route access between west and east prussia?
WWII - if not Poland it would be France, Belgium or Greece or maybe Soviets were war would have been started!
Before Austria then Czechoslovakia all were nice to Mr Hitler - look what they get in return .
Maybe Britain should give to Germany some of their colonies ? for a good measure - why not?
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4LaLDG5xE
Battenbergs and all that ....
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
All right!
Don't worry BB something to cheer you up:
All right!
He was already in his "conquering dictator" mood...most just didn't know yet and still believed in him fully!
Don't worry BB something to cheer you up:
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Sorry BB!
What about that?:
Dieses Video ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar.
Sorry BB!
What about that?:
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
It's only song!
What count - intension's !
Something for You.
*smile friendly *
I think you just did! ;)
It's only song!
What count - intension's !
Something for You.
*smile friendly *
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
[quote=isthatu2][/quote]
OK! precision with drums !
Now mine about someone love - soldier who was killed.
And Bard I like - sorry no English subtitles !
youtube.com/watch?v=W23lDELxuys
Good nite!
[quote=isthatu2][/quote]
OK! precision with drums !
Now mine about someone love - soldier who was killed.
And Bard I like - sorry no English subtitles !
youtube.com/watch?v=W23lDELxuys
Good nite!
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
14 days then!
I see you are learned in the ways of propaganda and lies.
Something from your teachers:
youtube.com/watch?v=nAh5mfkuAXk
Would you care to quote the document in which Britain promised to attack Germany within the first week?
14 days then!
Either that or admit that you are telling yet another of the tired old lies which make up part of the big lie which was first told by the Nazis and was then told by the Soviets and is now told by Poles: Britain was responsible for what happened to Poland in 1939.
I see you are learned in the ways of propaganda and lies.
Something from your teachers:
youtube.com/watch?v=nAh5mfkuAXk
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Yes, typical for Communist propaganda whoever disagree with you he is a Nazi.
Harry leftist with agenda.
Polish government should know that.
Here is the particular Nazi poster you are still singing from:
Yes, typical for Communist propaganda whoever disagree with you he is a Nazi.
Harry leftist with agenda.
There did not exist any plan to aid Poland, France and UK had not agreed on any concerted operation, that in itself proves that neither France nor UK had any intention whatsoever to fight a full scale war on Polish account
Polish government should know that.
Ironside
15 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
What lie? I blame Polish government.
Well, look who is speaking, Harry who is using every trick in the book and lies to prove that Poland is not up to standards - his standards!
The very simple fact is that you are using the same lie as was used on Nazi propaganda posters. And was then used by the Communist regime after the war.
What lie? I blame Polish government.
If anybody is behaving like a Nazi and a Communist, it is you.
Well, look who is speaking, Harry who is using every trick in the book and lies to prove that Poland is not up to standards - his standards!
Ironside
15 May 2009
News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]
good1 lol
You are like a black hole of insanity - you suck in all common sense and logic and exterminate it.
good1 lol
Ironside
15 May 2009
News / Should Poles become a minority in Poland? [150]
Genetic and racial characteristic are secondary to cultural and religious differences and you are mixing both together.
And i have no big love for Germans but i'll take a Fritz over a paki any day of the week.
Genetic and racial characteristic are secondary to cultural and religious differences and you are mixing both together.
Ironside
15 May 2009
History / Heretics Asylum - The First Republic of Poland [50]
Why to you want to be "Catholic"? Is it important to you to be "fake" Catholic as opposite to the real thing?
Why are you so persistent to be something in the name only?
You oppose confluence of the clergy in the political affairs and private lives - any examples?
Because what? Because you have the power to decide what Catholicsm is? Going by your definition, maybe 15% of people who consider themselvs Catholics are "the real thing". At least among people I know. I, for one, am anticlericall Catholic. I oppose the influence of the clergy in political affairs or on our private lives. Is that illogical for you? So down with the logic. Who cares.
Why to you want to be "Catholic"? Is it important to you to be "fake" Catholic as opposite to the real thing?
Why are you so persistent to be something in the name only?
You oppose confluence of the clergy in the political affairs and private lives - any examples?
Ironside
15 May 2009
History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]
Why Those towns were chosen? for what reason ?
It's estimated, rightly or wrongly, the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved at least 2 million lives more they they cost.
Why Those towns were chosen? for what reason ?
Ironside
15 May 2009
Ironside
15 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
What it has do to do with Ukraine and Poland question?
But I will not do it anymore - satisfied?
At 22 Of January Lwów was in the hands of the residents not Ukrainians!
As for common enemies Poland had been allied with Petrula from Ukraine proper.?!
My question if both Poles and Ukrainians were defending their territory - who was right ? both?
Naprawdę? aż się posikałem ze szczęścia!)))
Well, I'm not so sure about you!
Any examples ?
How many people had been killed ?
What about Ukrainian terrorist organizations finances by foreign governments?
(they murdered polish minister)
Are you equal that with Wolyn massacres ??
Well, maybe you are Pole but strange one.
Our land back or at last some of it.
Absence of diplomacy on the internet as you claim doesn't mean you have to call names. A couple of dialogues above you asked me to not do it. Wy are offending other people?
What it has do to do with Ukraine and Poland question?
OK, let there be free speech. Forgive me all my strong words directed to you and simultaneously I forgive you yours. Let there be peace, with difference of opinion maintained. :):):)
But I will not do it anymore - satisfied?
Somehow there was Western Ukrainian People's Republic with capital in Lviv and Ukrainian People's Republic in Kijiv which united in 1919, January 22 if I am correct. So again you are wrong about that. And before the unification they didn't fight among each other and had common enemies. So what is your question?
At 22 Of January Lwów was in the hands of the residents not Ukrainians!
As for common enemies Poland had been allied with Petrula from Ukraine proper.?!
My question if both Poles and Ukrainians were defending their territory - who was right ? both?
OK, my doubts about your Polishness are more or less dissipated. :):):):):):)
Naprawdę? aż się posikałem ze szczęścia!)))
Yes, I am Ukrainian at heart. :):):):)
Well, I'm not so sure about you!
Why do you see Ukrainian monuments and forget about Polish ones? Polish controvercial figures, including murderers of innocent people, also have their monuments in Poland and Poles don`t care when foreigners critisize. So, there is a draw.
Any examples ?
Look, if in peace times of 1930s Poles organised a cultural and national cleansing (called polonisation) for Ukrainians by closing their schools, churches, organizations, sending pacification police units to Ukrainian vilages to arrest opponents and beat peasants, what do you expect that the oppressed people would do during the cruellest of all wars? Yes, UPA butchers were complete barbarians but can you also remember Polish grave mistakes in Ukraine?
How many people had been killed ?
What about Ukrainian terrorist organizations finances by foreign governments?
(they murdered polish minister)
Are you equal that with Wolyn massacres ??
Well, maybe you are Pole but strange one.
So, if Poles can`t accept their dark past, why do you expect it from Ukrainians???
Our land back or at last some of it.
Ironside
15 May 2009
News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]
He is only expressing his opinion based on personal experience - and never claimed to be an expert.
If people were talking only about something they know, there'll be nothing but silence.
Talk of what you know, not what you like to know, but don't. :)
He is only expressing his opinion based on personal experience - and never claimed to be an expert.
If people were talking only about something they know, there'll be nothing but silence.
Ironside
15 May 2009
News / Should Poles become a minority in Poland? [150]
No, I don't
Your obviously proposing multi-culturalism, two questions.
No, I don't
Genetic and racial characteristic are secondary to cultural and religious differences and you are mixing both together.
Ironside
16 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
You are missing a point here guys.
All this blaming thingy or as you call it whining, has a source in one prevailing believe - that if not for WWII Poland could have been one of the leading European nation.
It's Poland ****** situation give fuel to all kinds of resentment.
You may find it laughable idea but prewar Poland was vibrant and rapidly developing nation considering starting point.
Poland economy was better than prewar Spain and Greece and most of the neighbors excluding Czechoslovakia and Germany.
WWII destroyed all and communism finished it, almost annihilated polish elite and what you can see today is but a show of the former polish culture.
No wonder some people are looking for someone to blame and it has nothing to do with
politic
You are missing a point here guys.
All this blaming thingy or as you call it whining, has a source in one prevailing believe - that if not for WWII Poland could have been one of the leading European nation.
It's Poland ****** situation give fuel to all kinds of resentment.
You may find it laughable idea but prewar Poland was vibrant and rapidly developing nation considering starting point.
Poland economy was better than prewar Spain and Greece and most of the neighbors excluding Czechoslovakia and Germany.
WWII destroyed all and communism finished it, almost annihilated polish elite and what you can see today is but a show of the former polish culture.
No wonder some people are looking for someone to blame and it has nothing to do with
politic
it was championed by the duck brothers.
Ironside
16 May 2009
News / Should Poles become a minority in Poland? [150]
I'm proposing that people in every country should take control of the governments which obviously are under some other influence.
If you take a wee black boy and rise him in the European family he will share culture and religion with his foster family regardless his racial and genetic characteristic.
If not multi-culturalism than what are you proposing?
I'm proposing that people in every country should take control of the governments which obviously are under some other influence.
How are they secondary to culture and religion when culture and religion are not passed through blood and play no role in the spread of ideas?
If you take a wee black boy and rise him in the European family he will share culture and religion with his foster family regardless his racial and genetic characteristic.
Ironside
16 May 2009
Ironside
16 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
I admitted that I was somehow provocative towards Nathan.
The Rus country's were destroyed by the Tatars, one part survived and fund its way to grow.
Republic of Great Novgorod and the Grand Duchy of Moscow which later become czarist Moscow by assuming despotic power and killing and enslaving free citizen of the republic.
Kiev and the surrounding areas become part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and thus only Rus state were Duchy of Red Rus which had close ties, dynastic, economic and military with the Kingdom of Poland.
When Russ dynasty died King of Poland inherited that territory and made it part of the Crown, the same rule applied as for Burgundy or Provence.
And that finished Russ in this part of the Europe.
Only thing that left was religion.
After Union between Grant Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland, province of Kiev and Wolyn become part of the Kingdom about 1560s.
It was almost empty land, sparsely populated, local nobility encouraged immigration of workers from the densely populated Kingdom.
In about 100 years that land have seen three things:
Rapid grow of the province in terms of the economic and demographic.
Local nobility started to think about themselves as a part of the Polish Commonwealth.
Immigrants from Poland integrated fully with local traditions and religion.
In that melting pot between Cossacks, Crown, Grand Duchy, Tatars and Moscow Rusyn tradition, language and culture had been born.
So, all references to middle ages Rus are irrelevant.
Rusyns were new phenomena but not necessary destined to become nation, only fall of the Polish Commonwealth were the reason that in the XIX century Rusyns started to build modern nation similar to Italy and Germans .
And for it's name funny enough they had taken the word from polish language Ukraine -meaning country at the edge or at the end( of the Polish Kingdom).
That closeness To Russia is result of many years of the Russian rule over that territory.
Notice that country's like Belarus and Ukraine are on the territories of the former Polish Commonwealth, they were different enough not to be devoured by the big Russian tyrannic Empire.
I have no problem with Ukraine proper and existence Ukrainian nation or first Ukrainian independent state ever.
My reservation are limited to some territory which should belong to Poland.
With that thing sorted out we all can have a one big happy family,
I suppose Russia doesn't want to be allies with Poland?? better to frighten children with story's about bad Poles kicking **** out of the poor innocent Cossack or ruling in Moscow with terror.LOL
That my view.
Well
I admitted that I was somehow provocative towards Nathan.
The Rus country's were destroyed by the Tatars, one part survived and fund its way to grow.
Republic of Great Novgorod and the Grand Duchy of Moscow which later become czarist Moscow by assuming despotic power and killing and enslaving free citizen of the republic.
Kiev and the surrounding areas become part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and thus only Rus state were Duchy of Red Rus which had close ties, dynastic, economic and military with the Kingdom of Poland.
When Russ dynasty died King of Poland inherited that territory and made it part of the Crown, the same rule applied as for Burgundy or Provence.
And that finished Russ in this part of the Europe.
Only thing that left was religion.
After Union between Grant Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland, province of Kiev and Wolyn become part of the Kingdom about 1560s.
It was almost empty land, sparsely populated, local nobility encouraged immigration of workers from the densely populated Kingdom.
In about 100 years that land have seen three things:
Rapid grow of the province in terms of the economic and demographic.
Local nobility started to think about themselves as a part of the Polish Commonwealth.
Immigrants from Poland integrated fully with local traditions and religion.
In that melting pot between Cossacks, Crown, Grand Duchy, Tatars and Moscow Rusyn tradition, language and culture had been born.
So, all references to middle ages Rus are irrelevant.
Rusyns were new phenomena but not necessary destined to become nation, only fall of the Polish Commonwealth were the reason that in the XIX century Rusyns started to build modern nation similar to Italy and Germans .
And for it's name funny enough they had taken the word from polish language Ukraine -meaning country at the edge or at the end( of the Polish Kingdom).
That closeness To Russia is result of many years of the Russian rule over that territory.
Notice that country's like Belarus and Ukraine are on the territories of the former Polish Commonwealth, they were different enough not to be devoured by the big Russian tyrannic Empire.
I have no problem with Ukraine proper and existence Ukrainian nation or first Ukrainian independent state ever.
My reservation are limited to some territory which should belong to Poland.
With that thing sorted out we all can have a one big happy family,
I suppose Russia doesn't want to be allies with Poland?? better to frighten children with story's about bad Poles kicking **** out of the poor innocent Cossack or ruling in Moscow with terror.LOL
That my view.
Ironside
17 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Still waiting for an answer.
Want to test your luck?
any arguments ?
Well, there is your interpretation and I know nothing about it.
And seriously I doubt your revelations about him (though I don't deny that at war, specially irregular, **** happens).
******** action and reaction ?It wasn't reaction adequate to anything and I don't think that Poles would had done the some if the situation were reversed.
As I said before if they didn't like it they should move to Soviet Ukraine - I bet they would be better off - famine and all that.
What aspiration ? do you think in the prewar situation there was chance for existence of the independent Ukrainian state ? Don't make me laugh!!!
On the said territory only 56% of the population were Ukrainian, most of the towns, industry, wealth and educated people were Polish, for one they could not be able to constitute proper government without cooperation from the Poles because there was not enough educated Ukrainians.
Thats for starters, do you think Soviets would have been standing idle.
They aspiration at the times were idiotic and dangerous to stability of any state, and considering that there were never an Ukrainian state it was impossible to do otherwise, Polish government at the time had all the power to ethically cleansing that territory, yet nobody even considered it - so don't you dare to say that Wolyn massacres were fault of the victims !!!!!!!
Your views at the matter are bias by the knowledge of the outcome and worthless.
Well, always blame victims - they cannot defended themselves!
Very wise if you blame perpetrators there is chance they might kick your ass.
I hope you are constant in your very citizen like attitude.
It just a thought but you and Nathan are coming across as one person - are you?
Do you know that for a fact ? Can you prove it?
For one what make you think so?
Secondly, what you call colonizations ?
Ah but they do! Don't believe me? Ask BB!
As for 800 years - thats wrong, check your informations.
Prussia became independent in 1701, Silesia was part of the Bohemian Kingdom and became part of Prussia in 1740.
Germans state - 1871.
Really ? What about Northern Ireland? Crazy?
And quite that nonsense about colonies , will you?
We lost to Soviet Union not to Ukrainians, Soviets no longer exist , and land taken away is claimed by states that never existed before.
And you say it's fair - maybe in the barmy world of weed smokers!
If you bend backward to accommodate everyone it may happen that someone will take advantage of you, and as for me you can do it on your own accord and your own personal responsibility but don't expect me to go along with you on this path of self deny.
My question if both Poles and Ukrainians were defending their territory - who was right ? both?
Still waiting for an answer.
Lol. All you can reserve is a kopniak w dupe. :)
Want to test your luck?
When Russ dynasty died King of Poland inherited that territory and made it part of the Crown, the same rule applied as for Burgundy or Provence.
any arguments ?
Let`s be frank about Kuraś - I think the dark side got him. If he hadn`t been fired by his superiors, he would have worked as a chief of communist secret police for many years. With his talents, he could have even made a career in their main headquarters in Warsaw, next to Berman, Radkiewicz etc.
Well, there is your interpretation and I know nothing about it.
And seriously I doubt your revelations about him (though I don't deny that at war, specially irregular, **** happens).
I don`t equal them, but I consider the WW2 Wolyn massacre a direct result of Polish brutal pacification of Ukrainian national aspirations in peace time before the war. Polish action caused Ukrainian reaction. Isn`t it obvious? DO you think that Poles would behave differently if they were in Ukrainian shoes?
******** action and reaction ?It wasn't reaction adequate to anything and I don't think that Poles would had done the some if the situation were reversed.
As I said before if they didn't like it they should move to Soviet Ukraine - I bet they would be better off - famine and all that.
What aspiration ? do you think in the prewar situation there was chance for existence of the independent Ukrainian state ? Don't make me laugh!!!
On the said territory only 56% of the population were Ukrainian, most of the towns, industry, wealth and educated people were Polish, for one they could not be able to constitute proper government without cooperation from the Poles because there was not enough educated Ukrainians.
Thats for starters, do you think Soviets would have been standing idle.
They aspiration at the times were idiotic and dangerous to stability of any state, and considering that there were never an Ukrainian state it was impossible to do otherwise, Polish government at the time had all the power to ethically cleansing that territory, yet nobody even considered it - so don't you dare to say that Wolyn massacres were fault of the victims !!!!!!!
Your views at the matter are bias by the knowledge of the outcome and worthless.
No, I am a Pole who is able to look critically at his own nation`s actions. I believe Polish politics in Ukraine was incredibly stupid and blind. And it finally brought about the massacre. It just couldn`t end another way. I am so sorry...
Well, always blame victims - they cannot defended themselves!
Very wise if you blame perpetrators there is chance they might kick your ass.
I hope you are constant in your very citizen like attitude.
It just a thought but you and Nathan are coming across as one person - are you?
Come on, be realistic. Nothing like that is going to happen. That is what irritated me about you previously - your fighting for a lost cause. :):):):)
Do you know that for a fact ? Can you prove it?
I thought the era of colonization ended long ago. :):):)
For one what make you think so?
Secondly, what you call colonizations ?
In the same way Germans may demand the return of lands in western and northern Poland which once belonged to them. For quite long- 800 hundred years??? :):):)
Ah but they do! Don't believe me? Ask BB!
As for 800 years - thats wrong, check your informations.
Prussia became independent in 1701, Silesia was part of the Bohemian Kingdom and became part of Prussia in 1740.
Germans state - 1871.
In the same way Great Britain or France lost their colonies all over the world in result of WW2. What would you think about an Brit if he/she still claimed British rights to India and its territory? Crazy? :):)):)
Really ? What about Northern Ireland? Crazy?
And quite that nonsense about colonies , will you?
Do you expect any compensation for the loss caused by the nation`s weakness? I am afraid such cases don`t happen.....
We lost to Soviet Union not to Ukrainians, Soviets no longer exist , and land taken away is claimed by states that never existed before.
And you say it's fair - maybe in the barmy world of weed smokers!
If you bend backward to accommodate everyone it may happen that someone will take advantage of you, and as for me you can do it on your own accord and your own personal responsibility but don't expect me to go along with you on this path of self deny.
Ironside
17 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Yeah keep dreaming. Your view at that issue is so wide of the mark that I won't bother to repeat myself, you are so bias probably due to your communist education.
I'm not forming my opinions on Germans from the Internet.
No if anything Poland offered protection from Tatar and Turks.
In what way is harmful?
I don't care, to relay on kindness of the strangers is not wise policy.
In the politics that kid of attitude is dangerous.
By colonization I mean controlling the foreign land with an ethnic group which is larger than your own and which opposes your rule and wants to abolish it. Decolonization took place after WW2 when all ethnic groups larger than colonizers rebelled against their rulers. So was the case in Ukraine.
Yeah keep dreaming. Your view at that issue is so wide of the mark that I won't bother to repeat myself, you are so bias probably due to your communist education.
Look, it would be funny to form our knowledge of contemporary Germans on the case of BB (who is pulling your leg most of the time, BTW), just like it would be funny to form it about contemporary Poles on your case.
I'm not forming my opinions on Germans from the Internet.
No, why? When you look at the map of Poland from 10 century, you will see that Poland expanded eastwards at the cost of Rusin population. If in 20 century Poles were still in minority in these lands, it meant a colonization failed.
No if anything Poland offered protection from Tatar and Turks.
I consider your demands very harmful to Poland. Even if there are more like you here and you formulate your demands formally and start political debate about it, you are going to gain nothing, but we and Poland may lose a lot.
In what way is harmful?
Anti-Polish sentiments might again rise in Ukraine. You are blind to such a possibility or don`t care
I don't care, to relay on kindness of the strangers is not wise policy.
In the politics that kid of attitude is dangerous.
Ironside
18 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Elites at the time were no different from those in Europe.
Point is they had no partner to talk to, as all the local nobility considered themselves as part of the Commonwealth no some peasants or cossacks.
Local aristocracy choose Crown.
I think you are not able to understand times you talk about, seeing it in the light of modern standards.
It's past long forgotten, what about our land back?
Right now Ukraine is a mess , nobody knows what will happen.It dream.
Well, first of all Ukraine should chose it way and so far is impossible to guess future direction of that country, Poland is not in the position to do something and Nathan could say that it is imposing .......
Really good relations should be built on mutual interests and understanding.
[quote=Nathan][/quote]
You always takl about colanisation and ......lots of things I don't agree
You don't offer any argument only facts interpreted in the light of your views, and you are saying that we should working together , fine but some issue from the past should be make clear,
Have you been to the Ukraine at all and for how long?
I wonder if your views are representative ......
Sorry, I will finish later - now I must go .....
тихо й, слухати Пісні.
youtube.com/watch?v=JDccFGGiO9I
Yes, it is a great pity that the Commonwealth of 3 Nations didn`t arise. We would be invincible. :):) The elites of the times were too shortsighted for that and in result all parties lost and a sea of blood was spilled.
Elites at the time were no different from those in Europe.
Point is they had no partner to talk to, as all the local nobility considered themselves as part of the Commonwealth no some peasants or cossacks.
Local aristocracy choose Crown.
I think you are not able to understand times you talk about, seeing it in the light of modern standards.
It's past long forgotten, what about our land back?
Poland and Ukraine working together will be a substantial power which might positively influence this region of Europe.
Right now Ukraine is a mess , nobody knows what will happen.It dream.
With hostile relations between us, separated, we will only cause trouble for ourselves and everybody around, with third parties winning their schemes in the region.
Well, first of all Ukraine should chose it way and so far is impossible to guess future direction of that country, Poland is not in the position to do something and Nathan could say that it is imposing .......
Really good relations should be built on mutual interests and understanding.
[quote=Nathan][/quote]
You always takl about colanisation and ......lots of things I don't agree
You don't offer any argument only facts interpreted in the light of your views, and you are saying that we should working together , fine but some issue from the past should be make clear,
Have you been to the Ukraine at all and for how long?
I wonder if your views are representative ......
Sorry, I will finish later - now I must go .....
тихо й, слухати Пісні.
youtube.com/watch?v=JDccFGGiO9I
Ironside
18 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
But the issues include also border. You saying that we can talk over about everything and then you make preconditions. All mean All!
You might ask why!
It's very simple, border between our country's were drown by Stalin.
You are happy with it I'm not - I think there is ground for discussion.
Next, property left by Poles in the Ukraine.
Question of the Wolyn massacres - are you going to face up responsibility or look for excuses ?
Thats all "problematic" issues in the relations between Ukraine and Poland as I see it!
As for pawian he is
a dreamer not to be reckon with, because sooner or later those question will have to be answered.
So far politicians in Poland are self serving bastards but any government being "really" polish will address those issues.
Nathan it is reality and those issues are real, so stop claiming that I'm some kind of chauvinist or something.
Well, of course you can ignore it as some immaterial ramblings of loony but you know better.
Sure, tell me the issues you have and we will talk them over. Please, don't make them about territories, because the borders will stay the way they are. UPA-AK issue we also dealt with, i hope. If there are any other ones - it will be a pleasure to discuss, Ironside.
But the issues include also border. You saying that we can talk over about everything and then you make preconditions. All mean All!
You might ask why!
It's very simple, border between our country's were drown by Stalin.
You are happy with it I'm not - I think there is ground for discussion.
Next, property left by Poles in the Ukraine.
Question of the Wolyn massacres - are you going to face up responsibility or look for excuses ?
Thats all "problematic" issues in the relations between Ukraine and Poland as I see it!
As for pawian he is
a dreamer not to be reckon with, because sooner or later those question will have to be answered.
So far politicians in Poland are self serving bastards but any government being "really" polish will address those issues.
Nathan it is reality and those issues are real, so stop claiming that I'm some kind of chauvinist or something.
Well, of course you can ignore it as some immaterial ramblings of loony but you know better.
Ironside
19 May 2009
News / Polish priest publishes sex guide [97]
You should read it then.
So according to you book about sex should be written by prostitute.?
youtube.com/watch?v=EpuYoK6wv_Y
I am curious as to how helpful this book could be to a couple experiencing problems in the bedroom. It is after all written by a celibate man.
You should read it then.
So according to you book about sex should be written by prostitute.?
youtube.com/watch?v=EpuYoK6wv_Y
Ironside
19 May 2009
News / Nobility / Aristocracy in Poland ? [92]
Check again.( examples only Czartoryski, Zamoyski )
Maybe you are not of Polish nobility after all?!
Check again.( examples only Czartoryski, Zamoyski )
Maybe you are not of Polish nobility after all?!
Ironside
19 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Well, everyone should be thankful for that, you are very generous.
Sure, and eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland(Crow and you are in the same league).
I concur there is nothing better like good ethnic cleansing.
I see you don't wish to have government which would have been doing it's duty, working in interest of Poland.
Duly noted!
Excuse me but those Ukrainians were forming terrorist organizations with the foreign governments help, and they were planing to rebel and that territory of Poland was never part of any Ukraine in any sense.
So if Mexican in Michigan will feel like it they should be granted right to form independent state Aztec ?! According to your logic they should but nobody sane would agree!
I am not against the discussion about massacres. I want Ukrainian leaders state clearly that massacres were criminal acts.
Well, everyone should be thankful for that, you are very generous.
But I also want Poles to acknowledge that for centuries they conducted a policy of colonization in Ukraine
Sure, and eastern Germany should rightfully belong to Poland(Crow and you are in the same league).
the polonization methods used before the war were a grave mistake.
I concur there is nothing better like good ethnic cleansing.
And God save us from a really Polish government...:):):):):)
I see you don't wish to have government which would have been doing it's duty, working in interest of Poland.
Duly noted!
Excuse me but this in only a more brutal version of what Polish leaders thought and said about Ukrainians before the war.
Excuse me but those Ukrainians were forming terrorist organizations with the foreign governments help, and they were planing to rebel and that territory of Poland was never part of any Ukraine in any sense.
So if Mexican in Michigan will feel like it they should be granted right to form independent state Aztec ?! According to your logic they should but nobody sane would agree!