History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


At the time he was treated as a rebel more than anything, back then the rebellion wasnt national, it was some subjects of the kingdom rebelling against the local rulers rather than the kingdom itself, the idea of independence came later.


Nathan there was NO UKRAINE at that time, Cossacks were a multinational political and social class, Chmielnicki was not even a classical Cossack he was a commonwealth noble, he was learning in a catholic school, he was wearing polish clothes and his father was a courtier of a polish noble, he spoke fluent polish and latin which were also his family languages as with all commonwealth nobles.

Yes i agree that Chmielnicki was an ukrainian hero as in "hero to the people of Ukraine" but he was not Ukrainian himself.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Well he came from somewhere obviously since the post occupied by his father was not inherited but granted.


The problem here Nathan is that Kievan Rus seized to exist as a result of Polish cultural influence, the kievan elites willingly embraced polish culture letting the ruthenian culture and civilization literally die out since it was not preserved.

The old Kievan Rus simply died and got replaced by polonized elites and illiterate masses, the only two connections were religion and ethnicity since both culture and civilization were discontinued in favor of polonisation.


Of course the majority of them were Ruthenian, the concept of ukrainian nation did not exist back then.


Ah but was turkish his first language ? Polish was.


He could be a Pole, a Lithuanian or a polonized Ruthenian however his fathers position as well as his coat of arms indicate with most likelyhood that they were a polish family who settled in Ukraine a generation or two earlier.

Genealogy / Any information available on the Przedecz camp? [13]

I was pretty sure this thread was a cheap provocation ( maybe Harry on another account ? ).

I've actually called Przedecz town hall and the resident IPN historian here in Wroclaw, there has never been any kind of camp in, near or around Przedecz, not even a prison.

This thread is officially a bullshit provocation.


I suggest you do not post random pictures of well fed happy children trying to back up your made up stories.

News / Poland will take half a century to catch up with the West [240]


I'd rather live in Poland thats as well off as Germany :) The report is rubbish, the changes have been happening pretty fast thus far i see no reason to believe the 50 years claim.

Genealogy / Any information available on the Przedecz camp? [13]


How does it help ? It just says there used to be some jews in Przedecz, there was never any camp or prison facility there, the closest you get is a police arrest.

I love it how you bastards always refer to Jews as if no one else died, fucking double standards.

Genealogy / Any information available on the Przedecz camp? [13]

There was no camp in Przedecz in 1947, definitely no labor camp.


Type in "Chłopi komuna" in google images and you'll find his "family" between pages 23 and 25 i'll dig it up again, the picture comes from the 60s and shows a silesian family from an article in an old communist paper and Przedecz had no labor camps.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]



No one is certain but there are indications that he came from Poland, we have his fathers name and surname ( which was originally Chmielnicki - polish ) as well as his coat of arms.

It is of course possible that he was natively ruthenian but its very unlikely given the context.
Actually yes it does, Kievan Rus fell mainly due to the faulty succession system after which it was taken over by polonized lithuanian elites and saw a major influx of polish settlers and clergy which ensured total polonization of the ruthenian nobility, by the 15 century the vast majority of the intellectuals of Ukraine were completely assimilated and had not a bit of ruthenian in them.


Kievan Rus was never a powerful country because it was very sparsely populated, granted it was quite strong and advanced but definitely not more advanced or very definitely not stronger than contemporary polish duchy and later kingdom on account of very very low population.


The only reason the mongols ever stopped was because of the death of Genghis Khan, it had nothing to do with any sort of resistance in Rus.


Oh but we did, read up on battle of Legnica ( which we lost incidentally ).


The same Kopernicus who defended Torun against Teutonic Knights and was polish as hell ?:)


Yes it was, i never said it wasnt.


On the contrary, i never claimed Ruthenians didnt have any culture or civilization or that it was inferior, polish culture had two things, it was much more attractive and much more dynamic, those traits do not mean that it was better simply that it would be adopted over the native culture.

Just look at current american culture how its adopted worldiwde despite it being well...shitty, our culture and civilization was not better, it was simply much much more dynamic therefore it replaced the old ruthenian culture.


I imagine he learned quite early on, given that he occupied the official post in the local administration he would have to.


Check professor Tarasiuk "Nowy czas" it contains quite an extensive work done on Chmielnicki, prof Stefan Tarasiuk is a Polish-Ukrainian so its hard to accuse him of bias.

Genealogy / Any information available on the Przedecz camp? [13]


In 1947 ?

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

Nathan how about you stop making things up ? Cossacks rebelled because Poland planned to make the register smaller and that was the only reason.


Read what i write it was more dynamic and it was more dynamic because it replaced the Kievan culture, if it wasnt more dynamic it wouldnt be able to do so its that simple.


Well apparently they saw something in it since they chose it over yours and allowed the ruthenian culture to die out in favor of polonization.


There was resistance everywhere, it doesnt mean that Kievan Rus could have done anything, at the time Mongols were pretty much unstoppable and a sparsely populated country like Kievan Rus couldnt really do much.

How many great writers, painters and poets does Ukraine have in comparison to other countries ? The fact is that your current culture is a mix of all the countries that stayed in Ukraine with some recycled old ruthenian traditions.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Gogol was at least partly polish but thats besides the point, the guy is a representative of the russian literature not ukrainian one, it doesnt matter where you come from if you contribute to another cultural heritage so i stand by my claim that Ukraine has very few great contributors.

Also yes, Gogol was ethnically part Ukrainian part Polish but he was and considered himself as a Russian.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

Uh no, plenty of Poles were writing in Russian but they were born Poles and considered themselves Polish its not that simple, or am i English because i'm writing in english ?:)

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

Even if i consider myself and my work Polish ?:)

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


The fact is Constantin that despite all that happened we're getting closer and closer with Ukraine whereas Russia is being left out more and more, sure people do business with you but as far as international trust and activities Russia is being left out.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

Ah no if Timoshenko gets to rule than Ukraine is lost, i completely agree that Russia can make deals but no longer at a drop of the hat ( the latest gas crisis ) they no longer have enough cheap resources to use them as a leverage AND maintain domestic consumption.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


But they're Polish.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

You mean like...logic ?

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


True true.


Nothing a campaign of terror and forceful polonization wouldnt fix.


I iz simpel!

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Monarchy.


Erm... murder ? Forecefull resetllement ?


True thats why we should be cowardly and only pick on those much weaker, like Ukraine or Baltic States.

See how far Germany came from being a backstabbing little prussian duchy so we should start backstabbing small countries at random.


Neverrr we shall burn minorities liberals and dolls of Harry in the streets, violence is the way.

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]


Erm... Ukraine doesnt even have money to pay the soldiers their money, their weapons and airforce are obsolete and little of what they actually have is usable whereas our are while not strong is reasonable, any war wouldnt last a month.

They dont even have modern tank ammo capable of destroying an MBT ffs.


Naturally. We could trade you for the younger prince, you dont have a use for him and there's no point in having a spare.


We could tie russian children to our tanks

History / UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army. How they killed poles in Volhynia (1943). [139]

We dnot want your communist flower!

History / Polish soldier stories [50]

Aunt used to be a courier in AK in her teens - survived the war.
Great gramps used to be a border corps officer - survived the war.
Great gramps' brother was a an infantry captain in Lwów - murdered by Jews sometime in 39.
Great Uncle ? Dunno really whether his my great gramps or uncle - bought it somewhere in France near Calais.

While i dont have a wartime story, the gramps who used to be a border guard had a few drinks with some german soldiers and officers and they played poker, of course he cheated and won them out of their pistols and rifles, they went back empty handed and dead drunk.

The next day an officer from the same unit ran back for the weapons scared as hell told them that local SS officer will be coming for questioning and to play dumb and pretend nothing happened, they did and gramps got away with his stupidity.

News / Forget Ukraine! The question is: " Is Poland going down??" [36]

Poland is finished Ukraine is going to annex it.

History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Jewish involvement in mass murder of Poles.

When in 17 sept 1939 the Red Army attacked Poland Jews ( including the population of Jedwabne ) took a massive and active part in pointing out Poles for deportation, later on Jews joined NKVD, the NKVD units in the Eastern Poland were almost exclusively jewish.

Question, why did the Jews turn so easily on their former friends, neighbours clients and employees ? Does the subject of jewish genocide on the polish nation gets enough publicity ? Is Polocaust a justified term here ?

History / Polish soldier stories [50]


Sure i'll be over my grandparents this weekend i'll take some pics ( its hanging on the wall in the living room ).

Love / Hot Polish guys photos [73]


He's 200% German.

History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]


I agree with the guy, Jewish nationality excludes being Polish, you're either a Pole or a Jew, you can be a jewish citizen of Poland but that doesnt make you a Pole.

Love / Whose Life is it? Polish girlfriend under family "house arrest" [224]


Sorry to say this but she's feeding you bullshit, there's no house arrest and no ID confiscation.

History / Ancient Polish History thread [180]


No but pillaging Moscow can.
Twice :-)
Oh btw our army was about 5 times smaller, we still kicked ass :)

History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]


Ah but they do, they treat Jews as citizens.


Wouldnt know, i reported it yesterday it takes weeks, last time we nailed someone it took them 23 days so patience young padawan.

Love / Whose Life is it? Polish girlfriend under family "house arrest" [224]

Captain this is Poland, there's no house arrests or ID confiscations here, she's one phonecall away from police and making a new ID takes what ? 5 days ? If she has access to the phone that means you're being played.