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Prince   
15 Feb 2009
History / What was Polands greatest historical moment? [24]

Germans on knees :)

prussian

The Prussian Homage by Jan Matejko

The Prussian Homage or Tribute (German: Preußische Huldigung; Polish: hołd pruski) was the formal investment of Albert of Prussia as duke of the Polish fief of Ducal Prussia.

Prince   
12 Feb 2009
History / German Russian aliance durring WWII - Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact [7]

KATYN MASSACRE execution of Polish officers
On 17 September 1939, in violation of the Polish-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact, the Red Army invaded the territory of Poland from the east. In the wake of the Red Army's quick advance, which met little resistance, between 250,000 and 454,700 Polish soldiers had become prisoners and were interned by the Soviets. On 5 March 1940, pursuant to a note to Joseph Stalin from Lavrenty Beria, the members of the Soviet Politburo - Stalin, Vyacheslav Molotov, Lazar Kaganovich, Mikhail Kalinin, Kliment Voroshilov and Anastas Mikoyan; signed an order to execute 25,700 Polish "nationalists and counterrevolutionaries"
Prince   
12 Feb 2009
Genealogy / Trzaska Coat of Arms [16]

Well my ancostrs gave for many other families right to use my coat of arms. They had to be good enought :)

As to aristocracy privilages .... after 1918 when Poland regained indendence there was so special treatment for nobility. Maybe only the fact that aristicrats were ususaly richer than others gave them more power.

Polish kings could give titles.
Prince   
12 Feb 2009
History / German Russian aliance durring WWII - Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact [7]

text

Text of the secret protocol (in German)

Soviet and German officers meeting after the invasion of Poland

soviet

Soviet and German soldiers in Lublin

molotov

Ribbentrop welcoming Molotov in Berlin, November 1940

car

Rendezvous. David Low's cartoon, published in the Evening Standard on 20 September 1939, shows Hitler greeting Stalin, following their joint invasion of Poland, with the words, "The scum of the earth, I believe?". To which Stalin replies, "The bloody assassin of the workers, I presume?"
Prince   
9 Feb 2009
Genealogy / Trzaska Coat of Arms [16]

David_18

You are very wrong at many (most) points . :)
Prince   
9 Feb 2009
Genealogy / Trzaska Coat of Arms [16]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzaska_coat_of_arms

"156 names altogether: Balukiewicz, Bałukiewicz, Betko, Białostocki, Biały, Bielecki, Bielski , Błażejewski, Błażejowski, Błażewski, Bogusz, Brunowski, Buczkiewicz, Buczkoewicz, Buczkowicz, Budkiewicz, Butkiewicz, Chojnacki, Chojniski, Choromański, Choynacki, Chrząszczewski, Chrzczonowski, Cierzpięta, Ciskowski, Ciszkowski, Czarnołęski, Czusołowicz, Czusułowicz, Dłuski, Drężeński, Droszacki, Drożecki, Drożewski, Dubrski, Dudkiewicz, Durbski, Durpski, Durski, Dutkiewicz, Dziedzina, Filipkowski, Filuński, Glinicki, Glinka, Goliniński, Goliński, Gołuchowski, Gołyński, Gutowski, Janczewski Glinka, Jarzyna, Jarzyński, Kleczkowski, Knoll, Konopacki, Kotowski, Kotutawicz, Kotutewicz, Kotwicki, Krajewski, Kufałowicz, Kurnoch, Kurnochowski, Lubiejewski, Lubiewski, Luśnia, £apiński, £ukowicz, £yczkowski, Mejszer, Meydalon, Mgorowski, Michalski, Michałowski, Miłocki, Mokowski, Nagórka, Nagórski, Nartow, Nartowski, Nartowt, Niemierowski, Niemirowski, Otwocki, Palmowski, Pancerzyński, Papleński, Papliński, Pątkowski, Pielasz, Podbielski, Podsędkowski, Polaczek, Ponikiewski, Popławski, Poszyliński, Przychodzki, Rojecki, Rojewski, Rotowski, Rycicki, Ryczycki, Rykaczewski, Sczucki, Sieklucki, Słupecki, Sobiesand, Sokołowski, Szczucki, Szwejkowsk, Szwejkowski, Szygowski, Szygowski na Szygach, Świecikowski, Świejko, Świejkowski, Świeykowski, Tarchomiński, Truskowski, Truszkowski, Trzaska, Trzasko-Durski, Trzaskowski, Trzonkowski, Trzonowski, Trzśskowski, Tymczenko, Tyski, Tyszczenko, Tyszka, Wawrzyszewski, Wendrogowski, Wędrogowski, Wieluński, Wilewski, Wileziński, Wiszniewski, Wiśniewski, Włoszczewski, Włoszczowski, Wolszleger, Wołkanowski, Wycbieszyński, Wyleżeński, Wyleżyński, Zabielski, Zakrzewski, Zakrzowski, Zastruski, Zimoszarski, Zorawski, Żórawski, Żurawski"
Prince   
5 Feb 2009
Law / Poland: the most attractive European country for future investors [55]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomasz_Bagiński

Tomasz Bagiński (To-mash Ba-geen-skee), Tomek Baginski (born January 10, 1976, Białystok) is a BAFTA Award-winning Polish artist and animator, best known for his Oscar-nominated short movie, The Cathedral (2002). For his newest short, Fallen Art (2004), he received a BAFTA Award for Best Short Animation and Grand Prix for Digital Shorts at Golden Horse Film Festival 2005 (shared with: Jarek Sawko and Piotr Sikora). Bagiński also created cinematics for The Witcher computer game based on the books of Andrzej Sapkowski.

ir: Tomek Baginski / Poland / 2005 In an old forgotten military base far from civilization, a group of deranged military officers nurture their insanity.

After success of The Witcher on global market it seems that we are going to have next part of this game.
Prince   
5 Feb 2009
History / Poles in Battle of Berlin - 1945 [2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

Poles were fighting near Brandenburg Gate and Reichstag.

The three Soviet Fronts had altogether 2.5 million men (including 78,556 soldiers of the 1st Polish Army), 6,250 tanks, 7,500 aircraft, 41,600 artillery pieces and mortars, 3,255 truck-mounted Katyusha rocket launchers, and 95,383 motor vehicles.

krasnajaarmia.webpark.pl/redarmyadvanceberlin.jpg

Those who couldn't join 2 Polish Anders Army and were imprisoned in Russia, decided to march on West with Russians .
Prince   
5 Feb 2009
History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

The same army later liberated Holland.

In Polish (top): "Thank you, Poles." in Dutch (bottom): "Freed by the Poles." Liberation of Breda, Netherlands, 1944.
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

Other or not stated I don't know what does it mean ... but if we look on the map ... and avoid swamp areas.

Only in one rural region Poles weren't the biggest ethnic group (south east).
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

So you mean that in most of the areas which Poland annexed in 1921, Poles were not in the majority. Only in some of the major cities. Glad we've got that agreed.

In Genral Poles were in majority there. :) How can you separate the city form surounding grounds. Or take Swamp ...

And if you want to see betrayal, look what you Poles did to Ukraine in the 1920s. What goes around comes around, as Poland learned to her cost.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lwów_Eaglets

Lwów Eaglets (Polish: Orlęta Lwowskie) is a term of affection applied to the Polish child soldiers who defended the city of Lwów during the Polish-Ukrainian War (1918-1919).

Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

You took Stalin's hand actually.

And walked with him on Syberia...

No it didn't. Not even the Polish government made such a stupid claim. Here is what they defined as the majority for each district in Poland on the basis of the 1931 census:

Well if we look on map you present us here we can notice that actualy Most of major cities were Polish. When you look on line where Belarusians and Ukrainians met each other on this map ... it is swamp. So Poles were in majority there.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polesia

Polesia, Polissya, or Polesie is one of the largest European swampy areas, located in the south-western part of the Eastern-European Lowland, mainly within Belarus and Ukraine but also partly within Poland and Russia.

swamp

Not to many people there.

If you talk about Polish resistance on baltic coast if you look on map it was hard to defend but ....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Westerplatte

Strength:

Poland:
182-209 men


Germany:
3,400-3,500 men
Air support
Battleship Schleswig-Holstein and 2 torpedo boats.


Casualties and losses

Poland:
At least 15 Killed in Action and 53 wounded in Action, survivors taken prisoner

Germany:
Disputed, probably about 200-400 killed and wounded
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

Poland signed that treaty when it suited them and then did exactly what they had promised not to.

Poland couldn't beat Soviets totaly because it would be the end of Poland. Occupation of Russian wasn't possible as well. Pilsudski said Moscov for Russians.

However, Lviv/Lvov was Polish

That is the problem - if there was Polish majority who fought aganist Ukrainains. What kind of sharing was that ?

what factors brought about the restoration of Lviv to Ukrainian control?

Yalta.

What about the rest of the territory Poland took following the treaty of Riga? If those areas were so Polish

Most of this lands had Polish majority I don't know anny facts about this oppersons . If you look on current problems with people who some how stayed there ...
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

Would you care to make any comment on the backstab move carried out by Poland in the treaties of Warsaw and Riga? Thought not.

Poland couldn't beat Soviets because White Russians were allied with allies from WWI, anti-commie Russians rejected Polish independence. Only peace with commie Russia was possible.

but in reality it was the Poles who split Ukraine 50/50 with the Soviets and then set about repressing the Ukrainian people!

As I've said. Lwów was Polish.

Belarus

polishforums.com/poles_belarus_minority_under_siege-32_30866_0.html

WTF! Who was splited ?

Where is this 50/50 ?

Why this cities after WWII were given for somebody ease? Milions of people were expeled. Poland was on allies side durring WWII.
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

The British government had by then (1946) already recognised the Stalinist Polish government and the Polish-government-in-exile in London was derecognised and so illegitimate to the British; therefore the Polish 'free' forces could not be afforded official reconigtion by HM government

That is the main problem. Because Stalinist Polish government had no support in Poland.

I am fed up with Polish blaming everyone one else and taking no responsibility themselves, when in fact they are their own worst enemy.Put the past to bed, and look to a brighter future and don't expect everyone to give Poland preferential treatment just because they think they deserve it.

We are debating history.

"Poland Politics and History"
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

The very simple fact is that the official government of Poland was invited to send representatives but didn't bother and that representatives of the Free Polish forces were also invited but that they refused to turn up because they thought that not enough of them were invited.

Ok I trust more for authors I have mentioned and that British government had real reason to excuse Poles for this parade.

That's marvellous information but I was talking about how Poland stabbed Ukraine in the back and stole half the country after the Polish-Soviet war of 1920-1921. Poland and Ukraine signed the treaty of Warsaw in 1920 in which Poland promised Ukraine that the countries would fight the Soviets together. Then, after the war was won, Poland promptly signed the treaty of Riga in 1921 in which the Soviets and Poles made a peace which didn't involve the Ukrainians (specifically forbidden under the treaty of Warsaw) and Poland stole half of Ukraine. The USSR paid Poland 30 million rubles and got the other half of Ukraine to do with as it wished. Why not learn about the history that you claim to be so proud of?

Poland had taken Lwów, city with Polish majority and citizens who, 3 years ealier, had formed units from their childern to defend Lwów in war against Ukrainians.

Anny way Harry you vision of history is strange.
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

Harry you are troll using diffenrent nick names on this forum ... but just read this book.

amazon.com/Question-Honor-Kosciuszko-Squadron-Forgotten/dp/0375411976

It is good that some Brrits and Americans write honest history books about Poland... British have tendency to believe only for "their" authors so fortuantly there are some.

When is Poland going to write a letter to Ukraine apologising for stealing half of Ukraine and oppressing the people there after Poland stabbed Ukraine in the back while the two nations were supposed to be fighting together against the Russians.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lwów_Eaglets

Lwów Eaglets (Polish: Orlęta Lwowskie) is a term of affection applied to the Polish child soldiers who defended the city of Lwów during the Polish-Ukrainian War (1918-1919).

Originally the term was applied exclusively to young volunteers (such as Antoni Petrykiewicz), who had participated in the defense of Lwów during the city's siege by the Ukrainian army from November 1 to November 22, 1918. With time, however, the term's application was broadened, and it is now used for all the young soldiers who fought in the area of Eastern Galicia in defense of Poland in the Polish-Ukrainian War

Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

I agree SS formations had very high morale but couldn't break surrounded Poles on hill 262.
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Any apologies about Sikorski's 'murder'? [95]

polandinexile.com/vp2.htm

Winston Churchill added: "Her Majesty's government will never forget the debt they owe to the Polish troops who have served them so valiantly and for all those who have fought under our command"

Yet only six years later the Poles, who were so instrumental to the allied war effort (including The Battle of Britain; Monte Casino; Falaise Gap, Normandy; Warsaw Uprising), were forgotten. Those brave Polish servicemen, unlike every other nation fighting under Allied Command, were not invited to participate in the Victory Parade due to pressure from Stalin on the British Labour Government.An act the historian Sir John Keegan described as "one of the most shameful acts of the Cold War"

Three years ago the son of a Polish Veteran, Michael Moszynski, heard about this for the first time. Moved by the injustice of it all, he determined to put things right and wrote to the Prime Minister. As a private citizen he managed to secure an apology from Tony Blair regarding the British Government's failure to invite the Polish armed forces to the 1946 Victory Parade (covered in the FT on 5th September 2003: "UK finally makes amends for Poland's 60 years of hurt").

Very good book

amazon.com/Question-Honor-Kosciuszko-Squadron-Forgotten/dp/0375411976
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
Language / Kaszubian and Polish [11]

"There are other traditional Slavic ethnic groups inhabiting Pomerania, such as the Kociewiacy, Borowiacy, Krajniacy and others. These dialects tend to fall between Kashubian and the Polish dialects of Greater Poland and Mazovia. This might indicate that they are not only descendants of ancient Pomeranians, but also of settlers who arrived to Pomerania from Greater Poland and Masovia in the Middle Ages."

From Poznań and Warszawa point of view Kashubian dialect is more similar to Greter Polish or Mazovian dilalects but much a little bit more different than in Lesser Poland (Kraków).

To be honest I find many similarities between Greater Poland nad Kashubia.

The other fact is that local dialect disapear in most Polish regions. Kashubians have their identity, some work hard to save local customs and it is good.
Prince   
4 Feb 2009
History / Poles and Falaise pocket - WWII [90]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaise_pocket

The Falaise pocket was the encirclement and destruction of German forces in the Normandy area of France during August 1944 by the Allied armies, as part of the larger Battle of Normandy, during World War II.

Pocket Poland

Polish Infantry moving towards cover on Mont Ormel, 20 August 1944.

After Match:

By 22 August, the Falaise pocket had been closed, and all German forces west of the Allied lines were dead or in captivity. Although perhaps 100,000 German troops succeeded in escaping the Allies because of the delay in closing the gap (many of them wounded), they left behind 40,000-50,000 prisoners and over 10,000 dead. German material losses included 344 tanks and self-propelled guns, 2,447 soft-skinned vehicles and 252 guns abandoned or destroyed in the northern sector of the pocket alone. In the fighting around Hill 262 alone, German casualties totalled 2,000 killed and 5,000 taken prisoner, in addition to 55 tanks, 44 guns and 152 armoured vehicles. The formidable 12th SS Panzer Division had lost 94% of its armour, nearly all of its artillery, and 70% of its vehicles. Composed of close to 20,000 men and 150 tanks before the campaign, it had been reduced to 300 men and 10 tanks. Several German formations, notably remnants from the 2nd and 12th SS Panzer Divisions, had managed to escape eastward to the Seine, albeit without most of their equipment.

German forces surrendering in St. Lambert on 21 August 1944

Canadian: ~5,500 casualties
Polish: 1,441 casualties
Prince   
2 Feb 2009
History / Lusatians our neighbours. [10]

In Budziszyn there is only one monument dedicated (namely) for Poles who fought against Germany in 1945.

Polski