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beckyinjozefow   
28 Sep 2008
Life / I am in Poland on a tourist visa and have been here for 2 years.. [53]

Thanks, Marek. You have won the prize for being the only dupek on this forum. You must be a very lowly Pole with no life and no girlfriend or friends for that matter. I do NOT live in Poland. I am a businessman in the United States.

I'm not Marek, but Michael, you said you've been here for two years and not left and now you are saying that you don't live here. You really ought to work it out. In another place you said something about being here since 1995.

You have a life here, but unless you are so old you can't adjust, even if they ban you from Poland, "you'll live" and "life goes on" and it can go on for you in another country if you are banned from Poland. We may have to go through hard times, but manage to live. I'm sure you could find help from someone back in the states if you have to relearn how to live there. There are rescue missions and other agencies who help people.

But for those of you who think it was a "loophole" to go out of the country...I don't think so. It was the law.

I really think that Poland benefits from us being here...so they should work with us being here.

Most Americans I know help and help many others around them...financially, English help (often free), etc., give away food, help with charities....
beckyinjozefow   
28 Sep 2008
Life / Doing laundry in Poland [66]

It's very excessive. It's part of our wasteful American society. Probably the progaganda of some chemical company that did successful advertising (at least with parts of society) to make them think they had to. I didn't grow up that way. My mom would get upset when we put clean clothes in the laundry cuz we didn't want to put it away.
beckyinjozefow   
28 Sep 2008
Life / Life in Pre and Post Communist Poland [12]

The main difference between Poland then and now is that during the miserable real-socialism era people had money, but couldn't buy anything because shop shelves were empty (the symbol of downfall of communism are mustard and vinegard as the only 'shelf fillers') and now they can buy whatewer they want, but many can't afford it.

Everyone would have money now as well if there was nothing to buy. It's called "forced savings".

All their pent up wants/needs released...is it no wonder there is no money?

I saw 40-year-olds squealing around in sports cars like a 20 year olds...(1994)...
beckyinjozefow   
28 Sep 2008
Life / People with Down Syndrome/Mental disability in Poland [26]

That is why they often have to stay at home. If someone lives in flat in 4-floor building without lift how can he get out on his own?

I think that the people in Poland are not very well used to accepting "different" people, no matter if it is their color, religion, or differences in ability like mentally handicapped.

HOWEVER, I did see at Carrefour that they hired a bunch of deaf people to work as cashiers. There were signs up that our cashier was deaf. I chose to go in one of their lines. I was sooo tickled to see them being hired.

As to people with Down's. There are schools for them. I don't think they ever plan on them working. They are big on "renta" here...People can seem to get a disability payment for quite a few things...just being "nerwowy" can render some a cash payment monthly if they can get the right doctor to sign on. Why work for just a bit more if you can stay home and watch tv?

When wages catch up and there is actually a difference between working and getting renta for some "barely noticeable" disability,...why should they work?

I haven't seen alot of people with Down's. but I've seen plenty of people with walking problems like polio victims, etc.

They do have special schools and Domy Spoleczny for them.
beckyinjozefow   
28 Sep 2008
Life / What is your experience about giving birth in Poland? [12]

I have 5 children. 3 in the states and 2 in Poland. Each was in a different hospital. I think I can compare the two countries, but as someone mentioned, each hospital is different.

My first in Poland was in 1994 and in Warsaw at the Institute of Mother and Child. It was when the dad being there was a "new thing" and very few hospitals allowed it. My husband was there for it. I had a midwife in a big room with what felt like a constant stream of people coming through. I did not like the fact that it was a teaching hospital and thus, each patient is a case...no privacy. As to the birth itself...

I spoke almost no Polish ("tak," "nie," "woda" were my three words at the time as we hadn't been here long and I wasn't learning very fast). I had been shown the hospital with a doctor who was supposedly going to be there when I gave birth (I was under the understanding they were going to call him.) When I did go in (about 10 pm), he said he wasn't coming in because he had a cold. ?? So, I had the midwife, who looked about 18 years old....OK...maybe 20. She was fine. She knew a few words of English like "push". We did okay.

They have a low intervention policy here, and I LIKED the fact that I wasn't wired to a bunch of monitors and such which just made me nervous in the states. I liked the fact that they told me to go take showers and spray the hot water on my uterus area during a contraction in order to help me relax. I REALLY liked that and it was much nicer than lying in a bed hurting.

I didn't like the fact that they told me after I'd been at the hospital for a couple or three hours that they were going to maybe give me something to speed up the process. I would have objected vehemently to that! it seemed more about them wanting me to get it over with than anything like monitoring or a need to hurry it up. My 2nd daughter was finally born about 2 am. No problems. over 8 lbs.

I didn't like the fact that they showed me a double room where I would be but then put me in a room with 6 women, with absolutely NO privacy curtain around the bed and a steady stream of husbands visiting and doctors (did I mention that it was a teaching hospital?)--As much privacy as being in the middle of Jerozolimskie! (that's how it felt!) Everyone can see as they examine the woman across the way. Very bad. I was SO glad to go home. I begged to go after 2 days of boredom. I really wanted to go. There was nothing to do except lie there. There was no tv in the room. I did not know I was supposed to bring my own water, juice, diapers, food, etc. Why would I think that? The food was completely inadequate for a new mom. They used cloth diapers. They kept the baby in a nursery til feeding time. But I can't complain. My only expectations were that I would be in a double room and I was in a room with 6 and of course, I expected privacy curtains! I was so ready to go home!

Oh yeah...when the doctor looked at me and told me..."see you next year".. I couldn't believe it. Two days after birth is NOT the time to talk to a new mom about another baby.

The admittance to the hospital felt like it came out of yesteryear. They had this big book of newsprint where they asked everything from my name to how old I was when I had my first period!!! (??? that was a new on me--had delivered 3 in the states and not had that one asked me ever). Cost at that time...about $230. For that I was grateful. The experience was not one of warm fuzzies. I felt very alone and the hospital was ugly, the experience was not "nice." However, it was not "awful" either. (My other deliveries in the states were more homey and the food was much better and the nurses came more often to check on me, etc.)

Scroll ahead 3 years. 5th child. 2nd in Poland.

I gave birth to him in Otwock. Noone spoke English there, but by this time I could speak some Polish. I also came prepared with something to do (some sewing and books), drinks, juices, and my husband brought in food. Once again, I liked the fact that they let me walk around during the time of labor. That was wonderful. In fact, the whole time, they let me walk around, get showers like in Warsaw, etc. I liked that and it helped with the pain of contractions. My husband was allowed to be there.

They signed me in a big book not unlike the one in Warsaw (this is in 1997)...I'd not seen a single computer entry yet.... It was a big book about the size of a huge registrar with paper like newsprint. I had a doctor who was on call. He came in for the actual birth. The actual birth was terribly "open"...a number of women could have been in there giving birth at the same time on a different slab. Thankfully noone else was there. I was SO thankful. I really didn't want to hear anyone else as there was nothing separating their slab/table from mine except a few pieces of equipment and maybe a szafa or two. Otherwise...no problems about delivery. No complaints because there was no one else wandering around I would not want other people wandering around hearing me while I was giving birth! They really need to work on the privacy and dignity aspect.

I missed obiad (delivered around obiad time and they didn't save it for me) and so was very hungry for kolacja since I had missed breakfast due to labor. Kolacja was completely insufficient for a new, nursing mom and one who is lactose intolerant (and one who can't stand warm milk and doesn't like white cheese!--I'm not even a picky eater, but it was one piece of thin white bread with some butter or margarine, and a slab of white cheese, and a thin slice of almost ham...) My husband brought in food. The food was really, really bad. Nothing "tasted" good. The hot chocolate was watery and not very chocolately and the food just completely inadequate. They used cloth diapers which they twisted somehow on the baby--they weren't soft and they didn't use pins. I thought it was pretty clever, but they didn't show me how to do it and I felt pretty stupid when I had to ask the nurse how to diaper my (5th) child!

They did not change our babies very often...they kept them in the nursery or beside our beds..whichever we preferred. I was in a room with 6 ladies and felt like the grandma. I was the only one having my 2nd child or more. I was 35--the rest were about 20. No privacy curtains around the beds.

I felt like the care was adequate, but only "just". I won't complain. The cost was 42 zl. for 2 days. Once again, I begged to be let out as I just wanted to go home! The nurse came once afterwards, but I didn't like that. I didn't want them visiting me at home since I didn't feel like it was any of their business what our home was like or where we lived.

Overall, my experiences were okay. The costs were CHEAP compared to the states. Once I realized that my expectations needed to be drastically lowered, I was okay. Delivery was not a "pleasant experience"...no special meals for the new couple, no homey delivery room, no nurses who really cared about you personally, etc. (at least I didn't feel that way) The level of care was sufficient. My children were born without problems, so I'm thankful. I felt like the cleanliness in the hospitals was sufficient, but without my contacts, I can't see super well, so maybe that was part of it. The hospital in Otwock was woefully ugly and in need of a paint job, etc. If I were to give them a grade, I'd say that the hospital in Warsaw in 1994 was a B and the one in Otwock was a C. However, because I knew Polish and had lower expectations, my experience was better in Otwock than in Warsaw.

If there is anything you want to know specifically, I'd be glad to answer. My children are now 13 and 10, so these experiences may be "out of date" by now. Everything is probably a bit spruced up and updated. Maybe they even have computers when the pregnant moms register into the hospitals now! ???

Personally, I liked the lack of gizmos and monitors, etc. I felt like I was more like in a birthing center in the states. Low tech stuff. But for me, it was fine.
beckyinjozefow   
21 Sep 2008
Life / IS POLAND A GOOD PLACE TO RETIRE IN (FOR A POLONIAN)? [8]

That was interesting.

I didn't see how much they are living on but he was shocked at the price of toner for his ink jet printer and the price of a pint of good ice cream. Those things were/are difficult for us as well. But you get used to them...we don't eat much ice cream anymore.
beckyinjozefow   
21 Sep 2008
Life / Electrical heating vs central heating in Poland [9]

Everything is changing rapidly. I've heard that gas has gone up several times lately (in the last couple of years). I'm not sure that there is much of a difference now in the price of heating. (It's all expensive, IMO.)
beckyinjozefow   
21 Sep 2008
Life / Doing laundry in Poland [66]

I have impression that Americans are a bit obsessed about washing. Few years ago I spent 6 weeks with my family living there....And I was little surprised that they wash jeans-trousers just after one day of wearing it? Isn't it excessive?

Yes! Very excessive. It also wears out your clothes faster. And that from an American.

One of the differences in the washing machines is that the European models heat the water itself...!!!! So, you don't use up your hot water from the hot water heater. That can be good, but it is also a good bit of the reason very hot loads (90 degree) take the longest.
beckyinjozefow   
20 Sep 2008
Life / IS POLAND A GOOD PLACE TO RETIRE IN (FOR A POLONIAN)? [8]

I don't think they should come back. Why?

1. The mentality is different here. They won't fit with the other older people, if they have lived in the USA for long, they are used to seniors being fit, active, and having hobbies. Here, they seem to not really do too much of anything special. I mean, in the states they have quilting clubs, golf clubs, widows groups who go to different restaurants, the Purple Hat society, etc. FL is a cheap place for seniors and they cater to them. It seems that many here just sit around waiting to die. There are exceptions, of course, but there isn't a very well developed senior citizen's group here.

2. The dollar doesn't go very far now. $1300 won't get very much if you have rent a flat. Even a one room place goes for approximately 1500 zl in Warsaw. That doesn't leave much room for travelling, hobbies (at $20/meter, you can't buy much cotton to make quilts, either.)

OF Course, if you have family here, by all means. If you have a flat and can live in it (and stand it...I don't think that living in the typical high rise apt. is very appealing), then you would be ahead.

So, my answer...if your ties aren't very strong in the USA and are strong here, by all means come here, but if it is "6 one way and half dozen the other", I don't see the motivation to come back here for someone who is used to freedom of actions and independence of thought.

There is a lot of "group think" here that revolves around the Catholic Church. If you aren't Catholic anymore, you may find that you don't fit very well anymore.
beckyinjozefow   
20 Sep 2008
Life / Doing laundry in Poland [66]

I had an American style GE washer. I replaced it a couple of years ago with a European front loader. I really do like the front loader. The GE American model took about 30 min. per cycle (load), and my European model takes between 1 hour 40 min. to 2 hours 30 min. So, I don't plan on doing a bunch of loads in one day. I have a dryer, but I try not to use due to the cost of electricity and the wear and tear on clothing. I hang things up. Not even outside...just inside the house.

Many Polish people have a drying rack and put in front of their radiators (winter time). It isn't very hard. And it makes sense. Often in the summer, they will put them on their balcony.

Is there anything else you'd like to know? This may be a small thing, but kind of handy to know. You really can't do the massive amounts of laundry that you do in the states in one day. You do get used to doing it over longer periods of time.

"You do what you gotta do!" (I've lived in Poland 14 years.)
beckyinjozefow   
14 Sep 2008
Life / Things to be afraid of in Poland? [109]

Very little.

But I was afraid of quite a few things when I came 14 years ago. What, specifically?
1. driving a stick shift. I had not successfully learned how to do so in the USA.
2. learning a new language
3. having a baby in a hospital when I spoke only three Polish words--tak, nie, and woda. (thankfully it wasn't my first)
4. having things stolen...esp. money and our vehicle
5. the school system and trying to work through it while not speaking Polish
6. going into government offices or banks and trying to figure out the right words to say

Things I wasn't afraid of...
1. the people...drunks esp. don't scare me since the "really drunk ones" can't even stay on their feet--why would I be afraid of them? I could kick them hard and they'd topple.

2. the roads

Things that required a lot of courage/determination:
1. going to the bank the first time to make a withdrawal
2. pushing through bazaars when it grates against every fiber of your being to be so "rude"
3. looking an opinionated babcia in the face (I wasn't wearing a hat, my kids weren't in scarves, hats, coats, etc) and NOT replying in kind.

4. driving our van the first time, knowing it cost more than all our previous vehicles put together while at the same time knowing I didn't really know what the street signs meant nor was I very good at the gear shift! My foot trembled, I killed the thing in the middle of an intersection and went home without ever making it to the store I wanted to go to. Of course, the other vehicles honked at me, letting me know of their displeasure. Thankfully, it wasn't in Warsaw.

Things I was wise to be afraid of:
1. Having things stolen. We've been stolen from many, many times in 14 years, (most from our property) but if we weren't careful, it would be at least double that, I'm sure.

Keep a close eye on your money, don't wear your wallet in your back pocket and be alert. Think and act proactively.
beckyinjozefow   
13 Sep 2008
News / What are the economical chances of Poland? [30]

The truth is, that Polish people will have to act in community and lead by the spirit of community if they don't want to come under the wheels of subtile but very evil acting capitalism of today.

And what is your point?
beckyinjozefow   
13 Sep 2008
Life / How important is it to have a car in Poland? [37]

I'm sure it depends on you. We were without a vehicle the first two months we lived here...with a newborn child and 3 other children. We were so grateful for our vehicle. But, if I lived in a city and near grocery shopping, and knew I were only going to be here 18 months, I might not bother (if I had no kids).

However, if you desire the freedom that the car will give you, then search around for a used one. They have come down...way down in price in the last few years.

But, many people who have cars still use the trains to go places, like Zakopane, or trips to the Baltic. Less hassle and sometimes cheaper.

With a car you are always worried whether someone else has decided they need it worse than you do.

Drivers here often have purchased their licenses and aren't really good about the rules of driving and it is true, they are often very rude and ignore signs, etc. Today I was driving on a road under construction where the street was blocked off and only traffic my way was supposed to be on the road but someone coming the other way decided they needed to use the road that was for our direction instead of taking the objazd. Very selfish. I had to wait for them to go. It was only because he didn't want to take the detour... If I had forced the issue and forced him off the road, I would have had the "right of way" to do so, but rather than have the accident, I was polite and let him go.

But I think there are far worse driving situations...try Egypt. !!
beckyinjozefow   
13 Sep 2008
Life / You know you have been living in poland too long when.... [73]

You think it is weird that people are so friendly when you back home and having the postal employee or the cashier be chatty is really strange,

You think security guards walking the streets are normal, though you never see them do anything,
you forget that people don't necessarily like the question, "What do you do for a living?" and may actually think it is none of your business when you are just trying to be friendly,

you realize you hardly know your neighbors, but you don't think it is strange anymore,
you think a normal size pickup truck is a "really big" vehicle,
you get discombulated by a visit back home (USA) and a trip to the cereal aisle...takes 10 min. just to make up your mind what kind of cereal you want,

you miss "chleb" when visiting back home,
you miss (when visiting back home) being able to let your kids walk to and from school,
you think making 5 trips to an office to get one task done is normal,
you are used to only partially understanding what's going on around you,
you get most of your news from the internet,
you are used to talking by phone with a serious "lag" due to the slow internet connection you are calling through,
you get used to the smell of the szambo truck getting someone's sewage,
you are used to hearing late night parties and the thump, thump thump at midnight across the street.
carrying a wicker basket to the grocery store doesn't seem strange,
buying eggs in 10's is normal,
figuring liters per hundred km is more normal than miles per gallon
when you think it strange that some people's children go to school at 8 am and get out at 3:30 pm every day (USA) cuz your kids go a different time each day and each child in your family goes different times

you think mayonnaise and peanut butter should be spread thinly and not 1/4" thick but you are the only one around you who thinks like that
beckyinjozefow   
10 Sep 2008
Study / Public school in Poland - experience with my kids [6]

Someone asked me to tell of my experience putting my kids in public school. So, I thought I'd say just a few words and let you ask questions.

It wasn't very hard in the first place we lived because we lived in the area and had our zameldowania there. The second place (Jozefow), the director didn't want to take us because she was convinced we were some sort of cult and she was afraid of us. How silly. But that's another topic. After a couple of years, we had a mechanic friend who lived in the area speak up for us, and they let us register the next year. Our kids have been in Polish public school since then.

They let them go, even though they were a bit older, into a younger class. I have several kids, so some of them have started in the right age category, but the older ones had to go down some just to be able to start with reading and writing Polish. This helped since they didn't understand too much Polish.

We've kept them in 6 years of Polish elementary school and then taken them out and home-schooled them. My oldest two are in college now in the US and doing fine. The youngest is still in Polish public elementary school (4th grade).

It was not terribly difficult to put them in school. The children were troopers, and in spite of not being able to understand at first, they didn't cry, pitch fits, or anything. So, if you have any more questions, please ask. I'll be glad to answer them.

What do I think of the system? It is rapidly changing. I went to a school meeting last night and for the first time in 8 or 9 years of Polish public school, I came home with a printed out piece of paper with information on it. I wasn't expected to take so many notes...they handed out the information and I could write it on my calendar. I was so pleased. It is humorous to me that we are so behind other parts of the world in this way, but I'm glad it is finally changing.

In our elementary school, the worst problems seem to be running in the halls and noisy kids. If these truly are the worst we have to worry about, then the problems are relatively minor. As far as I know, we don't have a drug problem, or a morality problem. I did hear, however, how some kids had their own black market in cell phones...selling 2500 zl cell phones for 50 zl. last year. So ??? not sure what was going on there. Maybe raising young Mafia members! :)
beckyinjozefow   
7 Sep 2008
Work / Average Polish Income is 2700zl per month [65]

you can't rely on official statistics when it comes to things like the income. The true income is always higher.

I was told this too. Also, I was told that "Polish people like to complain." That was told me by a Polish lady after she told me that Poles will always tell you their official 'low" amount they are making. What they fail to tell is that they may have two or three sources of income.

I'm finding this to be true...
beckyinjozefow   
6 Sep 2008
USA, Canada / DO AMERICANS/CANADIANS TRAVEL TO POLAND???? [57]

What she found lovely about it though, is that she's a socialist and said she found socialism to be working very well there

I would be interested to know what she means.

As to the beautiful parts of Poland. There are many interesting places to visit. There are the famous places like the Salt Mine near Krakow, Malbork near the Baltic Sea, The Old town of Krakow, the small town centers of most of the old smaller cities. But, I personally don't like to visit a place for the buildings...I'd rather see the scenery and/or the people. When we moved to Warsaw in 1994, it was UGLY! It has changed incredibly since that time. They have painted many of the old grey communist block apt. buildings interesting colors and added interesting looking malls and skyscrapers.

I personally think that the architecture of the old cities like Krakow is interesting, but the greyness is daunting and I don't like the overriding feeling of real black soot/dirt that the buildings seems to collect.

I've only been to London to the airports, Heathrow and Gatwick and the ride by bus inbetween, so I am by no means an expert, but the beauty of England is legendary. The beauty in Poland exists, but is a whole lot less exploited.

As to being a whole lot cheaper for the average tourist...I'm not sure that is true anymore. I find it impossible to find a cheap hotel that is decent and meals out are quite expensive unless you want a kiosk or a kebab. Even then, we found kebabs in Germany for 1 Euro a couple years ago...here they are 8-10 zl. Prices for Americans have skyrocketed here in Poland because of the devaluation of the dollar. Because of that, travelling has become exponentially more expensive. McDonalds is more expensive here than the USA now for us, for less food.

I live in the boring flatlands of the Warsaw area, but think the southern part of Poland and the western part of Poland, esp. the area west of Wroclaw to be beautiful. Since my home in the US is FL, by comparison, the lake region, while maybe considered beautiful by many, isn't that really spectacular to me. I personally prefer mountains. Seas are pretty, but it seems to be difficult to get to the Baltic just to get a look.

I do love the fields of wild lupine, and the poppies that are in the area that you can see as you drive, though.

Things I'd like to see again...there's a very interesting rocky section between here and Krakow that we discovered by accident one day. I'd love to go back there.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojc%C3%B3w_National_Park

I wish the national parks had better visitor centers and more to see in them besides going for walks. We'd learn so much more if there was more information there. One summer we couldn't go anywhere for a real vacation, so we took every Tuesday out and visited things that were a few hours away. We always were home at night, so we ate out after checking out the interesting site. We have a book called "The Most Beautiful Places in Poland". They have it in English and Polish.

In defense of the person who said that

Americans don't travel...

You really didn't mean that, right? You meant, that they don't travel internationally, esp. off the north American continent. When you consider how large the continental USA is, and how many Americans have been to neighboring states, it is impossible to say with truth that Americans don't travel. The average country in Europe is about equivalent to the states in the USA...esp. the western ones.

I'd say that MOST Americans have visited another state other than the one they were born in, so I'd say that "most Americans DO travel, but that they may not travel, yes, probably do NOT travel internationally." Your 80% "no passport" is interesting. I think that is changing due to the climate in the USA about needing a passport if you go to Canada.
beckyinjozefow   
6 Sep 2008
Life / Dogs in Poland - why do we keep them? [28]

Could you please tell me if you have animal rescue like the RSPCA in England I am moving to Poland shortly deep south near Sanok and would like to have two dogs that need a good home I have tried finding info on the internet but as yet no joy

I know if you want a dog like a malamute, there were a couple on Allegro.pl for 1 zl. When you clicked on it, they just said that they were for adoption and not really buying. You were to contact that person. There are plenty of shelters for dogs and cats where you can adopt pets. They are called "schronisko". I'm not sure if that is what you are looking for.

schronisko.net

Just find the area you are interested in and click on it and you will find all kinds of dogs up for adoption.
beckyinjozefow   
6 Sep 2008
Life / PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICES... Problem with Neighbour in Poland. [24]

i don't know how it work in Poland. can anybody tell me, what should i do,

Earplugs. I had a friend who lived quite close to a busy road here in Warsaw and that is what she did.

Otherwise, find a different place to live. It is possible that the reason you got such a reasonable rate on rent is because it isn't the most desirable. Complaining about the chickens won't help and the dogs...well, my dogs can be noisy at times...esp. when an ambulance or fire truck goes by.

You can try to talk with the people, of course. That would be first, but were they there first? Is it true that they are illiterate? What difference does being illiterate have to do with noisy dogs or chickens?
beckyinjozefow   
5 Sep 2008
Life / Head Lice/Louse Treatment in Poland [7]

Yes, there are several things you can buy (I've got 5 kids and live here.) I've gone to the Apteka and asked for something to fight lice, but I've taken in my bottle from the last time and asked for something similar. Every apteka is going to have it.

One of the things you can ask for is "Pipi family nowoczesny preparat do zwalczania wszy."

I'm not sure if you know Polish since this is my first visit to this forum...just registered, but you can just ask for something "przeciw wszami" and they will understand you. If you know Polish, then just ask for something. Don't be embarrassed about it. They don't need to know if it is for you or your kid brother or sister.