History / Comment on YouTube regarding Powstanie Warszawskie [32]


If Russia had stepped out of self interest - not signed a non-agression pact with Hitler and sided with Poland, I don't think Hitler would have invaded (55 million lives saved). At this early point, the German army had not seen real action and were not 100% sure. The prospect of taking on Poland, Russia, UK and France would have been too much (Hitler would not have known that UK and France would have done f**k all at this point) Therefore, to say that without the Red Army’s help the Germans wouldn't be out of Poland in 1944 is a little patronising.

News / Poles learning from the British? [42]

The Poles invented Wodka so they know how it should be experienced. The Brits nicked tea from India and ruin it by putting milk in it. Innit!


As a Brit living in Britain - I spoke out in protest to the way this country is going (down the shitter) and me thinks lessons can be gained by looking at others who are not on that same precipice - and maybe, just maybe it's the other way round. Looking through history - Britain - it's language and structure is shaped/influenced by the Romans, Germans, the French and even the Poles. Reasons why you are not a Muslim, you have a written constitution, you are not Teutonic, you know the Sun does not actully orbit the Earth, you had the Enigma code, Radium, Wodka(wehey), the greatest Pope ever, the end of communism in Europe yada,yada.

...and whats this i hear!!! No apostrophe??!!! Shame on me. i stand enlightened!. i shall flagellate myself till floweth mine crimsom blode. Innit!

Its only a forum mate - not Oxford bleedin university.
Chill! (thats another thing the Poles taught me)

News / Poles learning from the British? [42]


Please dont.

News / Sarkozy on Wednesday arrived in Poland to strike a strategic partnership [57]


Soul

Genealogy / people who had grandfathers fight the war [12]


Why is Northern Ireland ('Ireland' being the operative word) part of britain?

History / Comment on YouTube regarding Powstanie Warszawskie [32]

You are so busy thinking how clever you are that you have missed the point altogether. Poles were trying to free themselves from the Germans all the time. Why do you think 300,000 Poles were shot on street corners - why Poles were fighting in Casino, RAF, Africa, Normandy? Where were the Russians? Later when Russia was invaded they changed sides because now they needed help. Russians were advancing YES but only because America gave them money and equipment. Don't like heariong that? Russia did not LIBERATE Poland. (Liberate - to set free)

Russia did not set Poland free. They murdered them in coal mines, dragged them from their beds for execution - sent them to Siberia for fighting the Germans. All about balance. Liberate my big fat hairy ASS! What the hell do you know?

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I'll say it again. The USA were architects of the Liberation of Europe. Of course the rest of the allies contributed. They did the best they could even though they bailed Europe out 20 years before. Russia prevented the complete liberation towards the end of the war and caused the cold war.

Life / Germans and Poles - Fiction or Myth? [127]

Poles only get defensive when provoked. They feel obliged to correct the slander. When you publically quote history - make sure you know what the deal was.

Stalin had already drawn his new map of Europe at this time. Poland and Eastern Germany where to be communist. Poland was fighting with the red army to help defeat the Germans. There was no time for Polish soldiers/people to have sensitive debate about who was in which town. Poznan has always been Polish. Wroclaw started as a Bohemian town until it was taken by the Prussians, who were later taken by Germany.

Life / Germans and Poles - Fiction or Myth? [127]


The people of Europe were responsible for WWII.

There have always been - there are now - and there always will be people like Hitler in the world today. This cannot be helped. The way we deal with these people can.

In 1939, the countries of Europe all stood back in self interest - with their
"I'm alright Jack" mentallity, while Austria and Bohemia were taken and Poland crucified. UK, France, Russia, Itally together could have nutralised Hitler by October 1939. The Nazis were not 100% sure of their capabilities until they took Poland. They became cocky - and the rest is history.

" All that is needed for Evil to triumph,
is for the good man to do nothing."
W. Dwight Eisenhower

Life / Germans and Poles - Fiction or Myth? [127]


Is this what you witnessed - or are you repeating what some other idiot told you?

Law / Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest [30]

Unfortunately - I have a life 'on the otherside'...

Law / Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest [30]


The price of eggs would be cheaper due to cheaper labour


Insolently is just another word for arrogant.


A man in a wheelchair temporarily disabled, "Ha! You are in a wheel chair and therefore you cannot enter my club - you are not equal to me - I can run and jump! All you can do is sit there... DOH!! A wheelchair ramp.


Define moan.
When you do - you will find I am not moaning - but simply broadening the narrow mind.

AND now back to my original question : what can another EU country do that Poland can't?

I beleive your first answer has been nutralised.

Law / Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest [30]


Yeah - slavery got england rich in the first place!


Define arrogant!!! Defending honour?? Being proud??? Being cheeky??? cleaning someones shitter and smilling at the end???


Poland should not have been communist in the first freekin place.

What do you mean by "caught up"? What does Poland need to "catch up"?? Poland has free human beings in a democracy, who work, have industry, play, sing & dance, pay taxes, play music, sport, defend, create, cultivate.

Poland is not as rich as western Europe. Is that what you mean. Money. Is that all that it takes to be in the club?? Well in that case yes, sometime in the future they will catch up and be respected - and silly them for being distroyed and taken over by communists while the rest stood by and watched.

I'm not a Pole. I'm English.

Law / Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest [30]



Take any country in Europe (on it's own) and tell me - what can they do that Poland can't.

Now, in this case quantity is not an issue - or is it just purely down to money and riches? Are you saying - when Poland is rich enough to gain "respect" ???


You have given me no facts - just your opinion...


Historians have repededly quoted
For most parts of Europe, WWII was very real but their suffering cannot be compared to that of Poland and east of


Poland is one of the most forward looking countries in Europe mainly because of her past. She only looks back when provoked. And here you are...

I'm not entirely sure you know all the facts.

Law / Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest [30]


Poland has been a member of Europe for over 1000 years - and has contributed to it's development many times - led by example. She does not need to earn anything. It's not her fault she has been held back by hostile oppression.


Give me one reason why Poland should not be able to TRY to compete on the same field? You make it sound like Poland has been disqualified for a wrong doing and has to kiss-ass her way back up. It's so arrogant. If she does not try, she will not learn/rehabilitate.


Any country usually must go through hardship in order to progress. That's normal. It's nothing special and does not help your argument. At least they were free to do so and they were not sandwiched inbetween Ruissia and Germany. Surviving that for 1000 years - now that's hardship - that deserves respect. For the other countries - opportunity falls in their favour - and they take it. They develop. It's normal. Hard work sure - but nothing special.


You see - there it is. I did not say that. It is not consistant to my point. Poland will always fight for her place - her respect - just like she has always done. It's the attitudes that exist which bug me. Just because Poland was destroyed and kidnapped by the communists - it does not take away her dignity, pride, intelligence, capability, wisdom, inspiration, potential and her respect. You think it does? You said - all is fair in love and war. It's not. That's why the Geneva Convention was born. People are not always animals.

Law / Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest [30]

I think most people fear/are influenced by what other people/counties think of the twins - rather than actually consider what the twins have done.

Poland speaks for all ex-commi counties becuase it's bigger and more noticeable. Poland popped up from nowhere and demanded respect. She needed a firm hand and guts - otherwise she would have got a crap deal. The other western countires and Russia were irritated by this and preferred to keep Poland in touch. Their new europe had to make way for more voices. The twins had a very hard job. They were not perfect but a lot of Poles liked their firm and fair approach - within reason. It commands respect.

Once Poland has re-established her deserved equal place in Europe - THEN can she deal with the rest in the usual wet diplomatic way.

Take a look a Churchill - he was hated and mistrusted - until he saved England during time of need. When he saved England people cheered stability returned and then they booted him out for a less adventurous leader.

Real Estate / Can I buy a small farm in Poland? [49]

You should speak to the Germans - they have this master plan about buying half of Poland in the near future.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


So why are these qualified, intelligent, western, civilised gentlemen inspectors not doing their job properly and exposing those poor working class to years of problems and general danger? Why do they not view the work done by these so called cowboys?

Note* If a house was built in Poland by UK standards I hazzard to guess it would not make it through the first winter.


Before you conclude about others - you first need to have a good look at yourself.

Before you can rock & roll - you first need to learn how to play the blues.

News / Things you might not know about Poland [76]

Over the last 1000 years Russia and Prussia/Germany have been trying to suck the very life out of Poland - take her land, kill her people, hold back her development. They try to claim anything worth while which she produces. This makes it very difficult to identify anything accurately. Time has blurred the edges.

If I were a member of a dury - I see the evidence before me. I base my verdict on facts. This area of northern europe was a mixed bag. Polish - German - Prussian all crossed over.

I would conclude by saying he was of mixed origin with sympathy to the Polish cause. He faught with Poland against the Germans.

z_darius has concluded in the best way. Give Copernicus to both sides because history is uncertain.

Harry - you have taken Copernicus completely away from Poland because he "APPEARS" to want to be Prussian. Some aspects of history have not changed.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


Wrong. From what I have seen - this is how it works:

The Employee knows that wages are lower in Poland. He offers the Pole £50 when normally it's £100, but in Poland he'd get £25. The Pole says yes because he's making double and he can't risk losing the job to the next Pole. The employee makes £50.

However - once the Poles settle down they learn how to deal with the employees and gradually get better pay.

I could never afford builders at the going UK rate anyhow - and I'm on £30K. I have a roof over my head because a pole agreed to fix my house for a price I could afford.


So when the building inspector arrives on site - and issues pass certificates etc...that means nothing or are they cowboys also?

"rather like a lot on this forum! "
don't be so hard on yourself

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


The PM is Scottish. People will do anything to obtain power
and fulfill personal ambition.
members of parliament vary in nationality cos this is multicultural
country.
Referenda don't always reflect the real cause. When I was in
Wales people spoke their own language passionately.
Ajgraham's views match mine for once.
I don't need to ask the English. It's about the other 3.


It's not really that complicated because it's documented. The complicated part is the information that was hidden by Russian and other propaganda - and which is now emerging. You grew up thinking one thing - and now you find out it's not quite like that - and you can't deal with it. That's all. Noone is slagging you off. You have to be mature enough to accept that you may have not done all that you have been told.


It's not out of proportion. It's how it happened. Nice tantrum! Yes you know the truth now because I've just enlightened you.


I have not "Doctored" wikipedia becuase it would say if I did.
If you look at the bottom of the wikipedia article, there is a long list of sources and references to other articles by different people. No-one has just made this up.

The whole world can't be wrong:-
Wikipedia is written collaboratively by volunteers from all around the world. Since its creation in 2001, Wikipedia has grown rapidly into one of the largest reference Web sites. There are more than 75,000 active contributors working on some 5,300,000 articles in more than 100 languages

Hey ajgraham - Scotts rock! There's loads in Warsaw and they know how to party! They love wearing their Kilts out on the town and the local girls love them!


The world knows that Poland was invaded by Germany. You got about 2% of the whole story there.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


Wales or Scotland are not clinging onto power in N Ireland. They want to be free as is most of Ireland.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


I said if the information was not true - it will be edited (i.e.corrected) or removed. The info in Wiki regarding Enigma still remains - because it's true. It actually happened. For example, if I were to write that Hitler never existed - it would be corrected or deleted - becuase he did. If I were to write that ajgraham doesn't know what he's talking about - it would remain - becuase it's true. You know the truth is out there - it just needs to be accessed.


thats correct, but you conveniently omit to say that we were talking about how the Enigma code was broken and how it got into the UK and how that helped the allies to win the war. Read the info link I sent about Marian. You know this information is only the tip of the iceberg. You really don't understand what happened during the last 70 years - what happened between Poland, Ruassia, Germany, France and England. You have no idea - which makes it more anoying when you try to debate them based on propaganda and what your history teacher told you. My grandfather faught Germans in the morning and Russians in the evening during those 2 weeks in 1939. England and France were supposed to attack in the west. That was the deal. They didn't. Betrayal. Fact. We got over it. Life goes on - but conveniently no brit ever acknowledges that - or even knows that. Every time you post onto this forum you have no idea how much you insult the honour and integrity of a proud nation with your arrogant ignorance. Apart from that you seem ok :)


What seems normal in the UK is not in Krakow. Culture is very different. If you were to live in Krakow for a while - get used to the culfure - you will notice this stag behaviour more. To people who live there think it's vile. The staggs don't seem to have any respect - in a land where respect is real.


If you found out what really hapened to Poland in the first weeks of the war - you would not post such insults - because you are human with humility.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


These things are not printed in newspapers - why give them extra exposure. I've seem them - forgot to tell you about the group with blow up dolls on their soulders - you know the sex dolls. Krakow is a special place for Poles - it's not Sidcup highstreet.


You can stick 2 fingers up at me - but that doesn't stop you being a nob. Marian Rejewski, a Polish code breaker broke the Enigma code and created a formula to it's breaking. This formula was adapted to keep up with the extra wheels etc and a computer was created in UK to speed things up. Marian risked his own life to bring the Enigma machine to UK with French help.

It's all here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski

Before you trash wikipedia - it's one of the fewest sources of information which is not riddled with propaganda and lies (i.e. you friendly old history book) Wikipedia is open and available to people who know the truth. If it's not true - it's edited by others.

Quote - Marian Rejewski and fellow mathematician Henryk Zygalski fled, via Spain, Portugal and Gibraltar, to Britain. There they worked at a Polish Army unit, solving low-level German ciphers. In 1946 Rejewski returned to his family in Poland and worked as an accountant, remaining silent about his cryptologic work until 1967.

...but i always give credit where credit is due..... England did play an important part!...


Today this means nothing - symbolistic crap. They are powerless. England only clings onto power in Northern Ireland and even that is diluted.


Well Germany didn't exist then... and France was being raped by England... and the rest didn't have the strength, experience, skill and confidence.


LOL! ...actually they are. All of Europe, most of scandinavia, Northern Africa and parts of Russia are under German control. They are building rockets to reach USA. They are developing the atomic bomb. WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON!!!!!!!!!

Further to the truth, it was England determination and inspiration, but the USA led the way because they had the strength to pull it off. On this occassion, Poland could not effectivelly contribute because it was betrayed left,right and centre and used as a pawn to keep Russia happy. But the underground and free Polish army made their mark - which has been undermined mainly by Russian propoganda.

It was an "allied" effort. The bottom line - America bailed everyone out.


...go on James123 - you can have that one.


Author Hugh Sebag-Montefiore concludes that substantial breaks into German Army and Air Force Enigma ciphers by the British would have occurred only after November 1941 at the earliest, after an Enigma machine and key lists had been captured, and similarly Naval Enigma only after late 1942.[19] Former Bletchley Park cryptologist Gordon Welchman goes further, writing that the Army and Air Force Enigma section, Hut 6, "would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military ... Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use".[20]

Intelligence gained from solving high-level German ciphers-intelligence codenamed "Ultra" by the British and Americans-came chiefly from Enigma decrypts. While the exact contribution of Ultra intelligence to Allied victory is disputed, Kozaczuk and Straszak note that "it is widely believed that Ultra saved the world at least two years of war and possibly prevented Hitler from winning."[

Food / refusing polish food politely... [7]

If you tell them you can't eat meat they will understand - but if you turn down the whole meal that's something else.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]

it's a forum - expect replies. I ran out of steam darn it.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]

you have to give me more than that for me to reply

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


"All is fair in Love and War" is what you said remember? again I tell you - no it's not.
And I tried to explain to you - that is a vile, immoral, cynical attitude to have without humility. It is not a mature response.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


Ok lets talk about empires (remember both no longer exist)
The Polish empire (Kingdom actually) was created through marriage, common relations, religious understanding, freedom of speech. The Polish Kingdom contributed to Europe - it saved Europe from Ghengis Khan in 1259 and 1287. The Poles stopped the Mongols by being a buffer to Western Europe. Thousands died. The kingdom saved Europe from the the Tutonic Knights (Nazis of the time) by defeating them in the battle of Grunwald 1410. The Brits were fighting with the Germans then, but learned a lesson there. The Kingdom saved Europe in 1683 when it defeated the Ottoman Empire (Turks) who had reached Vienna. The Poles saved Europe in 1920 when it defeated the Russian army when it tried to invade Poland.

The Poles were defeated in 1939 BECAUSE THEY WERE FACKED IN THE ARS!!!

The British empire was built on slavery, misery, invasion, murder. The English language was imposed onto the world which is why we all speak English. Maybe we should'nt say more than that...

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]


Never in the field of drunken stuper
have so few - caused so much grief - to so many!!!!!!


Hey ajgraham also don't forget that it was the Poles that broke the Enigma
code in the 30's and gave it to England just before the war. The Brits just kept up with the German upgrades. The Enigma machine contributed to the success over 70% of allied operations.

UK, Ireland / Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British [273]

It depends if an English stag party has been there previously and got completely trollied, groped all the Polish women, mooned a passing nun, pissed in the town quare and up the side of the ancient church, worn Stalin tea shirts, spoke English and patronised those who could not reply, completely disrespected the local culture, behaved like animals and above all THOUGHT THEY HAD A RIGHT TO DO SO!!!!!!