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Comment on YouTube regarding Powstanie Warszawskie


Terrell 1 | 1  
20 Mar 2008 /  #1
I noticed this comment on one of my favorite YouTube Videos -- It disturbed me quite a bit -- even though i take two mood stabilizers every day -- my reply is posted underneath.

On You Tube: Powstanie Warszawskie / Ryszard Swiecicki

"Poles,pay homage to fallen soviet soldiers who died liberating your land.They did YOUR FATHERS' JOB.

So if you respect yourself,your roots,your ancestors most of whom greeted
Russians,keep your heads low."

MY REPLY:
gologram, The Russians are guilty of political treachery and betrayal for their deeds in 1944. The polish people will always keep their heads held high in remembrance of the noble courage and fighting spirit of the AK - Polish Home Army. If the Russians are "friends" who needs enemies? I pay homage to the fallen heroes of the AK, with great respect.
Davey 13 | 388  
20 Mar 2008 /  #2
The Soviets also killed a significant number of Poles and put them under a communist regime....
Jozef Pilsudski - | 25  
21 Mar 2008 /  #3
I will never show any form of automatic respect to Russians, who have been the historic enemy of the Polish nation, crushing all chances of Polish statehood for centuries, along with the Kingdom of Prussia.

Russians in World War II were no better than Germans, if not worse. It was the Soviets (Molotov) who signed the pact for the division of Poland with German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, seized the eastern half of the country, and then, during the Warsaw Uprising against the German occupation, allowed the brave Polish insurgents to be crushed as the Red Army twiddled its thumbs outside of the city with the hope that all Polish notions of independence from Moscow would be eradicated by the Wehrmacht by the time they finally arrived.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
21 Mar 2008 /  #4
With Russia not taking responsibility for the murders commited they continue to live in lala land of lies. Can you share the You tube with us so we can also comment on this as education is needed.
EbonyandBathory 5 | 249  
21 Mar 2008 /  #5
Typical Russian attitude, I say. No suprise here.
OP Terrell 1 | 1  
21 Mar 2008 /  #6
The website address is:



Title of YouTube video: Powstanie Warszawskie
Author: Ryszard Swiecicki
Over 20,000 views and over 200 comments
celinski 31 | 1,258  
21 Mar 2008 /  #7
Excellent job on the Video. Russia's due to tell the truth. Look at what Germany has had to do to make ammends and yet Russia has acted as if no one can see.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
22 Mar 2008 /  #9
Without the Red army Poland would never have been free of the Nazis. The home army only rose up into open confrentation once the Soviets were over the border,without the millions of Soviet soldiers fighting the nazis to the east the AK would never have been in a position to launch full scale open warfare against the nazis,never mind liberating Poland.

Dont like hearing that? Well,its just as 2true" as the fact that stalin ordered the halt on the vistula and that the Soviets "occupied" Poland from 1945.

All about balance .
ogorek - | 165  
22 Mar 2008 /  #10
You are so busy thinking how clever you are that you have missed the point altogether. Poles were trying to free themselves from the Germans all the time. Why do you think 300,000 Poles were shot on street corners - why Poles were fighting in Casino, RAF, Africa, Normandy? Where were the Russians? Later when Russia was invaded they changed sides because now they needed help. Russians were advancing YES but only because America gave them money and equipment. Don't like heariong that? Russia did not LIBERATE Poland. (Liberate - to set free)

Russia did not set Poland free. They murdered them in coal mines, dragged them from their beds for execution - sent them to Siberia for fighting the Germans. All about balance. Liberate my big fat hairy ASS! What the hell do you know?

o5m6.de/Routes.html

I'll say it again. The USA were architects of the Liberation of Europe. Of course the rest of the allies contributed. They did the best they could even though they bailed Europe out 20 years before. Russia prevented the complete liberation towards the end of the war and caused the cold war.
noimmigration  
22 Mar 2008 /  #11
america did not enter the war to liberate europe, they entered because germany declared war on the usa AFTER pearl harbour was bombed. America was quite happy to profit from europeans fighting fascism and the grave threat the nazis posed to the wholeworld. The land leases and debt that britain took on (with 10% interest) was paid off in 1996.

america was fighting for its own survival in ww2 just as the europeans were fighting for theirs. And on anthoer note, without the intervention and naval/military commitment of france, and the franco american treaty of france, america would never have won its independance from britain.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
22 Mar 2008 /  #12
america did not enter the war to liberate europe, they entered because germany declared war on the usa AFTER pearl harbour was bombed.

no i'll tell you why america joined the war, it was for neither of those reasons, although pearl harbour was a bit of a motivator.

If your american and you see the German war machine smashing through europe what are you thinking, hhhhhmmmm, well he German nation if spread over a far and wide area, say over the whole of western europe and going into africa and asia, will become more powerful than the USA. THey joined to stop the German's getting bigger than them. It really is that simple :)
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
22 Mar 2008 /  #13
fighting fascism

fascists like noimagination
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
22 Mar 2008 /  #14
america was fighting for its own survival in ww2 just as the europeans were fighting for theirs.

100% agreed.

You are so busy thinking how clever you are that you have missed the point altogether.

Dont be daft,Im just showing the other side,the truth that it was the Red Army that swept the germans out of Poland,not the Polish Army,underground or otherwise.

What the hell do you know?

as much as you since neither of us were there......
Polson 5 | 1,770  
22 Mar 2008 /  #15
without the intervention and naval/military commitment of france, and the franco american treaty of france, america would never have won its independance from britain

They would have won their independence anyway, later maybe, but they would.
Noimmi and his Almighty Britain Kingdom.... ;)
Jozef Pilsudski - | 25  
22 Mar 2008 /  #16
The Soviet Union and the Red Army liberated Poland only in the sense that a slavemaster purchasing a slave from another slavemaster liberates said slave. Of course, the Germans have collected so much hate for themselves over the years, that people are too blind to see that. Russians and Germans in the World War II era may have been a world apart ideologically speaking, but when it came to unjustified brutality and the suppression of Polish independence, they were two sides of the same coin.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
23 Mar 2008 /  #17
I don't think that isthatu actually disagrees with that. He just stated the obvious, that without the Red Army’s help the Germans wouldn't be out of Poland in 1944. Nor in 1945. Nor in the 50's…

Without the Red army Poland would never have been free of the Nazis.

Never say never. It is one thing to conquer a country and another thing to actually keep it.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
23 Mar 2008 /  #18
Thanks Matyjasz,you see where Im coming from (others please note,the word liberate did not feature in my posts,only your replies).

It is one thing to conquer a country and another thing to actually keep it.

HHHmmm ,anywhere in mind eh?;)
The point is,just because a Russian fool wants to write nationalistic half truths why should that be followed by Polish nationalistic half truths?
Jozef Pilsudski - | 25  
23 Mar 2008 /  #19
I don't think that isthatu actually disagrees with that. He just stated the obvious, that without the Red Army’s help the Germans wouldn't be out of Poland in 1944. Nor in 1945. Nor in the 50's…

He seems to think though that the Polish people owe the Russian people some form of thanks. No more thanks than a slave owes his new master. Yes, the Russians kicked the Germans out of Poland to establish their own tyranny in a country which they had absolutely no right to occupy in the first place. It was Molotov that divided Poland like cattle with von Ribbentrop in the first place. This is not commendable. This is not honorable. If the Poles should thank the Russians for keeping the Germans out, then the Poles should thank the Germans for keeping the Russians out; It's equally illogical.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
24 Mar 2008 /  #20
Russian fool

History has not seen the full truth of what "Stalin" was up to. As the world freely condems "Hitler" the bigger killer "Stalin" continues to hide behind lies.

The executions of 21,857 Polish POWs and civilian officials, captured when the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east in 1939, serve as a telling example. Known as the Katyn Forest massacre for the location where 4,421 of the Polish POWs were shot in 1940, this grisly event proved too big to be buried with the bodies. The Soviet authorities put together a commission that claimed to prove that the Poles had died at the hands of the Germans after they invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. But the Katyn files in the Soviet archives, all labeled top secret, offer incontrovertible evidence that Stalin and other Soviet leaders ordered the executions and then orchestrated a cover-up that would continue for decades. Pressed repeatedly by the Poles for an honest accounting, even Mikhail Gorbachev would provide only a partial admission based on "newly discovered evidence" that had been there all along.

Great Terror of 1937-38, when approximately 700,000 people were shot in assembly-line executions

newsweek.com/id/90408
ogorek - | 165  
30 May 2008 /  #21
I don't think that isthatu actually disagrees with that. He just stated the obvious, that without the Red Army’s help the Germans wouldn't be out of Poland in 1944. Nor in 1945. Nor in the 50's…

If Russia had stepped out of self interest - not signed a non-agression pact with Hitler and sided with Poland, I don't think Hitler would have invaded (55 million lives saved). At this early point, the German army had not seen real action and were not 100% sure. The prospect of taking on Poland, Russia, UK and France would have been too much (Hitler would not have known that UK and France would have done f**k all at this point) Therefore, to say that without the Red Army’s help the Germans wouldn't be out of Poland in 1944 is a little patronising.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
30 May 2008 /  #22
Therefore, to say that without the Red Army’s help the Germans wouldn't be out of Poland in 1944 is a little patronising.

Yes,but as factual as any hindsight veiw of history can be,come on,do you really expect anyone with a serious interest in this era to believe that the Home Army could have defeated the germans in '44?

Youve obviously got your agenda,not sure what it is,but it runs contrary to logic and military facts,a **** poorly equiped resistance army has NEVER liberated a country on its own,never,no matter how brave or spirited they may be its just an imposibility without outside help,and before you ***** about the UK again just remember where the vast majority of arms and supplies for the AK came from.

er,not sure what your point is Carol? Everyone knows the reds stood by and let Warsaw be torn limb from limb,and that the Home Army put up THE MOST HEROIC resistence against the nazis in wartime europe.This doesnt change the fact that the people who destroyed the nazis in eastern and centrel europe were the soviets,not any underground forces. It was the Red Army(with Polish LWP forces) who stormed into berlin and ended the war,not the ,by then disbanded,AK.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
30 May 2008 /  #23
that the Home Army could have defeated the germans in '44?

I guess if Stalin didn't start killing in the east in 1939 and then our trip to Siberia. What was left of human beings when the Home Army was formed kicked butt. I believe of the 1.7 million 20,000 lived to make it into Home Army from Siberia. What does this say of the death rate.

If you read the post Terrell was referring to it's from a very uneducated or anti Polish moron. With this said, yes Poland was attacked from all fronts and lost high numbers right from the start. IMO Poland's fight from beginning to end was heroic when we look at what they were up against.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
30 May 2008 /  #24
I guess if Stalin didn't start killing in the east in 1939

It was war,sh it happens.

then our trip to Siberia

sorry,didnt know you had been to siberia...

What was left of human beings when the Home Army was formed kicked butt.

er,yes,but "kicking butt" is a far cry from defeating a vastly supperior army isnt it. The 4000 US deaths in Iraq demonstrate that the Iraqi "insurgents" can "kick butt" but it doesnt mean they are anywhere near driving the coalition forces out of Iraq does it?

IMO Poland's fight from beginning to end was heroic when we look at what they were up against.

Of course it was,you wont get any arguments from me on that point,but not the point that is being debated is it?
BTW,Carol,have you ever met any former AK fighters? Just wondering,because I have met quite a few and will happily admit I am not even a pimple on their heroic bottoms ,but,having studied the AK at some length I will still admit,as will AK veterens that ,alone,they never stood any chance of defeating or driving out the germans on their own. The entire premise for operation tempest(the move from sabotage to open warfare) was to rise up once the superior forces of the Red Army were on Polish soil soil and doing the main part of actual war fighting against the german front lines.

Yes,the russian guy being quoted is talking from his bum/fanny but that is no reason for his opponents to do the same,no matter how righteous they feel.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
30 May 2008 /  #25
Of course it was,you wont get any arguments from me on that point,but not the point that is being debated is it?

Ok then tell me this, do you feel Soviet could have defeated Germany on their own?
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
30 May 2008 /  #26
simple answer,yes.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
30 May 2008 /  #27
yes.

No way they were pleading with USA for help.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
30 May 2008 /  #28
lol,you believe that if you want Carol,but,name me a single US division that fought on the eastern front.......or am I missing something,were T34s made in the US?

Of course the Soviets recieved SOME material help from the western allies,all this did though was free up factories from producing trucks to producing tanks.without this help the soviets may not have smashed berlin in 45,but,bear this in mind,by the time of the allied landings in NW Europe the Soviets had already swept the nazis from pre 39 soviet territory.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
30 May 2008 /  #29
Soviets had already swept the nazis from pre 39 soviet territory.

Sure with conscriptions from other country's. Not on there own. In 1939 Hitler and Stalin were on the same team taking out Poland? It was in 1941 that Hitler set his sights on taking all of Poland.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703  
30 May 2008 /  #30
Sure with conscriptions from other country's

Rubbish.

Not on there own.

The "other countries" ie LWP and Czech legion may have fought heroicaly but the vast vast majority of Soviet soldiers were from the pre war Soviet Union. And the majority of those were from Russia proper.

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