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johan123   
5 Jun 2007
News / Revenge or Justice? Vetting Laws in Poland [18]

The regime change in 1989 was essentially a trade-off: we forget about the past and you go quietly ... with your ill-gotten gains.

This is a lie!

Let sleeping dogs lie and get one with life thats what I say...anger breeds hatred and thats not the right direction for an up and coming country to go, but thats an outsiders view

What's more some European powers have little interest in clarifying any of the above for reasons that will be become known in the history books our grandchildren will read. I am afraid very few people in the west can begin to understand or comprehend what has happened. They should, however, consider their own history and decision making processes before lecturing Poles about how to treat former communist criminals. They should first explain the reasons behind the decisions taken after the second world war. The reasons behind " Yalta". The reasons behind the recognition of the illegal Polish government (put in place by Moscow) after the second war world.


The present-day population of Poland should be punished continually by politicians concentrating on the past.
How ... errr ... forward-thinking.

These are the very same individuals today that seek to confuse and disinform Polish society about who cooperated. They were also the same individuals who changed, created ,rewrote and destroyed numerous numbers of secret police files prior to the election of this government. Poles have the right to know who they were and how they cooperated. They also have the right to demand compensation from the guilty.

What's your family background Varsovian!
johan123   
6 Jun 2007
News / Revenge or Justice? Vetting Laws in Poland [18]

The damage was done, the previous elite has handed/is handing over the reins to their friends and family - let's punish them too for the sins of their fathers, shall we?

These are the very same individuals today that seek to confuse and disinform Polish society about who cooperated. They were also the same individuals who changed, created ,rewrote and destroyed numerous numbers of secret police files prior to the election of this government. Poles have the right to know who they were and how they cooperated. They also have the right to demand compensation from the guilty. [/quote]

let's punish them too for the sins of their fathers, shall we?

Those guilty of crimes against the people should be punished !

Revenge or Justice? Vetting Laws in Poland

Both! Justice can always be complimented by revenge.
johan123   
6 Jun 2007
News / Revenge or Justice? Vetting Laws in Poland [18]

Amathyst we are not considering whether or not Joe Bloggs should be punished! W

We are concerned with people that held positions of power and influence!

Former high ranking party officials are now honourable members of the upper classes of Polish society. They had the financial capabilities to reposition themselves in free market Poland. Many of their children were educated at western universities. They themselves travelled abroad extensively, had access to foreign currencies and shopped in Pevex's shops. They will also be entitled to very handsome pensions.

johan123   
11 Jun 2007
UK, Ireland / English people attitude towards Poles? [761]

Hmmm, I find the explanation of complicated or unexpected points of grammar in a foreign language to be counter-productive, especially to less advanced learners.

Why on earth would you want to teach " complicated or unexpected points of grammar" to less advanced learners! There is no reason to move from the target language in order to explain something.
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Schröder was a populistic nut, an embarassment!

Schroder should be sitting in a prison cell !

I'm a German and a Western European...we all detest them!

Based on what! Your understanding of how your media presents them.
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

johan...Schröder is no longer (for awhile now) and Chirac is gone too...you will need some new excuses!

Schroder needs to be brought to justice!
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

The Yukos Affair would never have reached an expropriatory crescendo without the silence, if not active support, of the German banking and political elite. Their main concern, as the Yukos Affair unfolded, was how Germany and its banks could profit from state theft. This moral disengagement was not only dangerous for Russia but also for the strength of democratic principles in Germany. Surely German citizens are aware that the support by Chancellor Schroeder of a regime that closes the press, attacks NGOs, expropriates property in show trials and targets ethnic minorities is simply inconsistent with the German idea and that of Europe.
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

A persistent stance against corruption is the sine qua non for energy security. Russia’s Gazprom cannot be a partner to Europe while it fails to invest in its own infrastructure, arranges the deportation of responsible lobbyists for corporate governance, invests 14 billion dollars in non-core assets, such as news media, and is run from the Office of the Presidential Administration of Russia.
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

The twins are now looking for excuses. They see dark, secret powers at work everywhere: old communist networks,

If these individuals feel that their cooperation was justified and that the information given by them was not detrimental to others. Why should it be a secret? If I worked or lived a long side a communist party informer I have every right to know who the person was and what information was given to the authorities about my person.

As far as any legal proceedings are concerned, those guilty of nothing more than membership of the communist party have nothing to fear. They should ,in fact, be more than willing to open all the files in order to prove their innocence.

In order for Poland to move forward people, whose families and lives were destroyed by the former system, have the right to demand justice. The current confusion is a direct result of not bringing certain individuals to justice. Former high ranking party officials are now honourable members of the upper classes of Polish society. They had the financial capabilities to reposition themselves in free market Poland. Many of their children were educated at western universities. They themselves travelled abroad extensively, had access to foreign currencies and shopped in Pevex's shops. They will also be entitled to very handsome pensions.

These are the very same individuals today that seek to confuse and disinform Polish society about who cooperated. They were also the same individuals who changed, created ,rewrote and destroyed numerous numbers of secret police files prior to the election of this government. Poles have the right to know who they were and how they cooperated. They also have the right to demand compensation from the guilty.

What's more some European powers have little interest in clarifying any of the above for reasons that will be become known in the history books our grandchildren will read. I am afraid very few people in the west can begin to understand or comprehend what has happened. They should, however, consider their own history and decision making processes before lecturing Poles about how to treat former communist criminals. They should first explain the reasons behind the decisions taken after the second world war. The reasons behind " Yalta". The reasons behind the recognition of the illegal Polish government (put in place by Moscow) after the second war world.

The very same reasons today are being used to justify the EU's close cooperation with Russia. A Russia infiltrated with former KGB agents in all areas of economic and political life. A Russia who rewards cooperation with riches and punishes dissent with murder.
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

He got sacked johan...and it's a while!

It hasn't been dealt with! The twins are dealing with our **** and not brushing it under the carpet.

Polish politics has been filled with grating talk about religion and nationalism.

As far as the western press is concerned the above issues are the focal point. Why? Because the west will not deal with the real issues: Russian Mafia State/ Former communists criminal legitimise by western powers.
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

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The west is responsible for communist criminals been taking seriously on the international stage. A mistake, once again, repeated as far as the Chinese are concerned.

Where are the standards!

Instead of swiftly adopting Western standards of democracy and tolerance

johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Don't you think your gov should be more concerned with your own politics???

This concerns gas supply. which is absolutely vital to the whole of European Politics. Why can't Germans deal with it!
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Poland if they make your country ridiculous

This is what the western press seeks to do in order to avoid the real issues. If something becomes to difficult rubbish the problem.
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Germans trust Russians more than Poles speaks for itself...

Exactly. Germany trusts a Mafia State over a European partner!
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Poles are only so aggravated and furious because they now can't no longer held up the hand and demand millions of good money just for owning the land for the pipeline...pure greed!

Of couse, the German press wouldn't have it any other way. The real issues must be avoided at all cost!
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Bratwurst boy,

The conversation above represents Poland and Europe. As we can see you are not at all interested in an exchange of views. Your main focus of attention is to chat up Ola. This, in fact, is very similar to Europe and Russia. Poland is just a boring side issue!
johan123   
14 Jun 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

I just asked didn't I....

It's the same as far as Europe is concerned. You did ask but your intention was closer contact with Ola and not the real issue. Europe's intention is closer cooperation with Russia based on self interest. Poland's opinion, whether valued or not , is of no interest to old Europe.
johan123   
19 Jun 2007
News / the most true Post about Poland ever( the truth will set you free) [29]

am happy married with a Lovely Polish girl , I have job a nice job office that pay me 4000 PLN netto I have my own flat here so I am not angry with Poland Poland is for me doing fine but for a lot of people is not !!!

What are you talking about? Unemployment in Poland is fictional!

What is your suggestion to try and keep Poles in Poland? I try to tell my GF and she says theres nothing for here there and the employers don't pay well

People are paid as much as they are worth!
johan123   
1 Jul 2007
UK, Ireland / Unemployed due to Polish who work in the UK [126]

THe same thing has happened in ireland. Foreign workers have undermined many of the hard won rights of irish workers and trade unions (especially in the building trade) by agreeing to work for sh1t wages. Irish labourers were getting 13.50 an hour, basic wage, until polish workers came on the sites and agreed to work for 9 euros(with no overtime rate!). I have a polish friend who went to work on a site and was told this was the new rate. He took the job but within a month he and other polish workers lost their jobs to Latvian workers who agreed to work for 7 euros an hour.

Irish building workers have had the luxury of lack of competition for too long! Rates were far too high and productivity was extremely low. Competition was badly needed and long awaited.
johan123   
1 Jul 2007
UK, Ireland / Unemployed due to Polish who work in the UK [126]

Competition is one thing, but being priced out of work is another, maybe if your industry had the same thing going on, you might have a different opinion. Im all for a decent days pay for a decent days work.

Lack of competition leads, in the long term, to poverty for all!
johan123   
1 Jul 2007
UK, Ireland / Unemployed due to Polish who work in the UK [126]

The danger of all this is, of course, that it is becoming a modern form of Thatcherism via the back door.

Thatcherism enabled the UK to regain economic competiveness and set the stage for unprecedented growth.