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zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #1
Many here see me as some 'Anti Poland' maniac. I love Poland and just find it Very very sad to see it going down the toilet. They are so reliant on EU and foreign investment but have a bunch of idiots running everything, investers are not stupid, it will stop, Poles with any IQ are leaving the sinking ship.

Pis is more concerned tracking down old Communists 'as recomended by 'Radio Maryja', picking out the Jews 'as recomended by 'Radio Maryja' and stopping any gay thoughts 'as recomended by 'Radio Maryja'.

The extreamists are running the country. I just get so angry when people think IT IS ALL PERFECT! here is the link for the all thing for the true .pub10.bravenet/forum/775788990/show/1016230

It is all just sad, Poland came so far. For what?
magda09 1 | 54  
19 Jun 2007 /  #2
It is all just sad, Poland came so far. For what?

to go further ahead, learn and independently use skill to move ahead :).

Poles with any IQ are leaving the sinking ship

no, not everyone who leave is leaving sinking ship. World today is different, we need to move. I do not think i will be in canada forever. My family is most important, but i soon encourage to move back to poland :).

extreamists are running the country

no
OP zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #3
how well can you know the situetion here in Poland IF YOU ARE IN CANADA !!!!!!!!!!!!! via internet ???????????????? give me a break
magda09 1 | 54  
19 Jun 2007 /  #4
i have been all my life in poland, i move to canada just after marriage just 4 years it has been
OP zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #5
4 years it has been

a lot happen in that time I think you should come back here to see how things are going and bealive me you much better off in canada
away guy 10 | 343  
19 Jun 2007 /  #6
Very very sad to see it going down the toilet

Listen here bud, i come from a really bad country and i think Poland is doing just fine , there are many more countries in the world doin terrible , just look at the UK and other European countries they are full of scum and ilegal folks walking around living off the rich peoples tax , that pisses me off. I have enter Poland legally and paid alot of money and paper work which many people dont do and they just sit here ilegally it makes me crazy !!! By the way countries have bad rulers not only Poland if u think so ..

very sad to see it going down the toilet

Maybe you are angry with Poland for another reason , maybe about a girl or guy problem ? U can tell us ?
OP zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #7
i think Poland is doing just fine

you do 1million people that had left dont think so !!!!

I am happy married with a Lovely Polish girl , I have job a nice job office that pay me 4000 PLN netto I have my own flat here so I am not angry with Poland Poland is for me doing fine but for a lot of people is not !!!
away guy 10 | 343  
19 Jun 2007 /  #8
1million people that had left dont think so

1 million from Poland yes have left , but new stats show that more and Poles and woman that want to settle down and have kidds are coming back to Poland, just look at all the English and u name it coming to Poland give it some time and it will become full of English speakers , they buying up property . Yes many Poles leave so do so many other countries but people return , im not Polish but i made it BIg here just in 10 months and if u have money here its a great place !
OP zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #9
lot of poles that left said oh I can find no job I need to go to the Uk to work bla bla bla I have the job paper in my hands BKING MACS , TESCO , all the big names they when you walk in in a place like london have Poles working they are also hiring here so why do they go ?????? you tell me oh better pay ??? better life before they said we want to be in EU we dont want to be outsite bla bla bla now the first thing they do is run !!!

are coming back to Poland

that is not true mate !!!!
TheKruk 3 | 308  
19 Jun 2007 /  #10
Zion has a valid point, I think. The Government could and should be doing more to encourage Poles to form their own businesses. But we see mostly foreign companies taking control, but that is the way the world is going. I think Poles are extrememly clever and given a fair field to play on meaning easier business regulations and speedier processes, the economy would pick up from within as well as from the outside.

I really don't believe Zion has an anti-Poland axe to grind.
I see it too Poland is held back by an inefficient system. And dare I say it (please don't kill me) religion.
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
19 Jun 2007 /  #11
By the way countries have bad rulers

I second that :) look at Bush

Zion- I thought at one point Lech was offering some money for young PL people to come back.

What are your feelings towards foreign corporatins moving into Poland? Many are against this, yet they wish for more jobs or more opportunity.

Maybe some of these student and people working aborad will eventually bring their skills back to PL because I know family is so important. I see your frustration but I cannot relate because I don't live there.

Once these people that remain in PL get older, who will be replacing them in the work place? Are there apprenticeship programs in PL? Trade schools?

What is your suggestion to try and keep Poles in Poland? I try to tell my GF and she says theres nothing for here there and the employers don't pay well. What would make PL more attractive to it's youth do you think? .
Ranj 21 | 948  
19 Jun 2007 /  #12
better life before they said we want to be in EU we dont want to be outsite bla bla bla now the first thing they do is run !!!

Poland has only been in the EU a short time......nothing worthwhile happens overnight......it takes many years......give Poland sometime (and the people who left----my guess is many will be back) :)
away guy 10 | 343  
19 Jun 2007 /  #13
Yes ur rite , they go to UK because most English are lazy , yes and because of the money and easy life there. I recon its also because Poland is over populated and and too many people no jobs left . Once the big guns come into POLand with there money , there will be many jobs soon, for example cars manufactures , electronics and so on ther'e coming in slowly ..
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
19 Jun 2007 /  #14
I have the job paper in my hands BKING MACS , TESCO ,

But, people don't want to work these types of jobs. I do agree that it makes no sense if they were to work at the same place but in the UK, but some people aspire to be sth better.
OP zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #15
Once the big guns come into PoLand

they are already here !the pay need to get better but for that to happen the gonverment need to change and for that to happen the people need care and if all they think is in leaving !!!! then all will go down . more people leave then return !!! I dont have the numbers here and now but if one search or wacth BBC is easy to find thay out
TheKruk 3 | 308  
19 Jun 2007 /  #16
They need hope Fisz sounds simple but I talk to young folks everyday and the sound like your GF. Those with decent jobs and the possibility to advance stay. The others leave.They feel that the older generation of politicians cares little for them and they will be replaced by people they train and the cycle will go on forever.
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
19 Jun 2007 /  #17
It's frustrating because I'd like to try living there. I'm tired of the US :) I need a break from this rat race. Good thing I'm on vacation in...15 min :D
OP zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #18
But, people don't want to work these types of jobs. I do agree that it makes no sense if they were to work at the same place but in the UK, but some people aspire to be sth better.

jobpilot.pl
pracuj.pl

one can find it all in here anything you want to work at Poland offer I have the job paper in my hands right now the same jobs been coming up for the past 3 monthes
away guy 10 | 343  
19 Jun 2007 /  #19
Ok fine i rest my case i wrote what i know and believe im happy here in Poland with my Polish wife and we go 2 twice a year to my warm country , i make good money and im happy God blessed me , so ill stay in Poland its a great place for me to raise kids in the future , so if you wana go then go , ill stay thanks ...
OP zion  
19 Jun 2007 /  #20
so if you wana go then go

i am going nowhere and hope more of us will do the same but I dont think so think more will leave ! maybe only outsites will stay maybe the will change the name of the place to Foreiland

Time for news on CNN good night all
away guy 10 | 343  
19 Jun 2007 /  #21
place to Foreiland

Yes that is possible , and it cud be sad in the future that Poles cud get fewer and more people from other countries come in to Poland , that is where the goverment should crack down on ilegal immergrants !!
TheKruk 3 | 308  
19 Jun 2007 /  #22
Away Guy, I'mhappy too but I am lucky I have a skill that is needed and I can take care of my kids and wife on my income, but in America it would be impossible on a teachers salary. I mean I don't save much but I can go on vacation once a year and take it pretty easy all summer, but I make decent money here I cannot fathom how people have kids and live on less than 2000 zloty!

What I am saying is Poland has great potential and the Gov. seems to be choking it.

Just curious what would you like to do for work here Fisz? If you don't mind me asking.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
19 Jun 2007 /  #23
My God, I should be studying right now but few things need to be cleared here:

picking out the Jews 'as recomended by 'Radio Maryja'

WTF??? Could you back up that statement because it's the first time I hear about it.

The extreamists are running the country.

LPR could be considered extremist, but PIS? I don't think so.

a lot happen in that time I think you should come back here to see how things are going and bealive me you much better off in canada

Yes, a lot of things did change. For example I remember few years ago having a job was basically a privilege. Do you want to know the secret behind the oh so famous "polish working ethic"? Well before 2004 I always heard from my employer "If you don't like it than leave! There are 10 people standing outside the building and waiting for your job!". It was a pretty good motivation to work extra hours for free and do things that werent in my . But now due to a work force shortage the situation really did improve. Slowly we can feel the wages rising even here in the province. I just changed my job and I'm happy with my income, something that wasnt that certain few years ago.

Zion has a valid point, I think. The Government could and should be doing more to encourage Poles to form their own businesses.

I don't think that they know exactly how to do that.

What is your suggestion to try and keep Poles in Poland? I try to tell my GF and she says theres nothing for here there and the employers don't pay well. What would make PL more attractive to it's youth do you think? .

This phenomenon is strongly connected with our communist’s heritage. You see during the communist times the reality here was rather dull. Everything was gray, there were times where the only products stocked in shops where mustard and vinegar, long ques, government invigilation, no perspectives what so ever… From time to time we could see some western/American films in TV and everybody was dreaming about living the life of westerners. Times have changed, CCCP broke down but people still are fascinated with the west. You know, If someone would lock you in your house and force you to stay you would hate that place at some point. Add to that the power of TV with the power of gossip and you will get the answer. I think that a lot of people don’t know what they have until they loose it.

And dare I say it (please don't kill me) religion.

Nobody will kill you for that Kruk. I think that you are exaggerating here but I would definitely like to hear your point of view.
johan123 1 | 228  
19 Jun 2007 /  #24
am happy married with a Lovely Polish girl , I have job a nice job office that pay me 4000 PLN netto I have my own flat here so I am not angry with Poland Poland is for me doing fine but for a lot of people is not !!!

What are you talking about? Unemployment in Poland is fictional!

What is your suggestion to try and keep Poles in Poland? I try to tell my GF and she says theres nothing for here there and the employers don't pay well

People are paid as much as they are worth!
TheKruk 3 | 308  
19 Jun 2007 /  #25
Nobody will kill you for that Kruk. I think that you are exaggerating here but I would definitely like to hear your point of view.

I think PIS uses religion to establish themselves as the family values party and perhaps investors are a little leary of doing business with what they don't completely understand. And the church has an unusually strong influence here which may sometimes be detrimental to business. Your right it is a bit of an exaggeration and I am not against family or morality or faith, but most strong economies don't have such a strong Catholic voice as does Poland. Not that Poland has to copy these other nations and the church has also done some tremendous good for Poland I just think its harder to be a so called God fearing person and be a successful business person, sad but true.

don't think that they know exactly how to do that

excellent point. its easy to say they should do something without offering any answers.I agree Poland needs some time and I hope many people go to other countries learn from their business practices and make the necessary changes here so Polska is what it could be. Again not that all the answers are in the west, but there are some things to be learned and expanded on to help Polska.
lef 11 | 478  
20 Jun 2007 /  #26
Pis is more concerned tracking down old Communists 'as recomended by 'Radio Maryja', picking out the Jews 'as recomended by 'Radio Maryja' and stopping any gay thoughts 'as recomended by 'Radio Maryja'.
The extreamists are running the country. I just get so angry when people think IT IS ALL PERFECT! here is the link for the all thing for the

I suspect you may be a troll, what about saying something positive ?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
20 Jun 2007 /  #27
Zion, you don't even know Polish, so you have very littel idea what is going on in this country. I bet that you have lefty friends and they feed you with all this stuff.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
20 Jun 2007 /  #28
re: I love Poland and just find it Very very sad to see it going down the toilet

- You greatly greatly exaggerate, zion. And PiS has been so far the best government the post-commie Poland has had.

You also greatly exaggerate with Radio Maryja. They are good folks, really caring for Poland and the Poles.

Finally, you exaggerate when you suggest that the Polish government is Jew-phobic. Facts show that it's the other way around. By the way, the Jewish part of our history is choked by lies. The rather numerous misdeeds of Jews in Poland, e.g. during the stalinist era, have been kept secret, out of fear of the Jewish lobby in America. That's disgraceful.
OP zion  
20 Jun 2007 /  #29
Zion, you don't even know Polish, so you have very littel idea what is going on in this country

I also dont know Arabic and I do know very much what is going on in Iraq .

what about saying something positive

we have to talk more about what is not working and then try to fix it my first post in this topic was take from another discusion forum I just agree with some staff on the post !

over all I just think that lot of people is this country thinks that things are going more well then they really are !!!! and they must see the real picture and only then people will try to fix . yes the place has improve a lot but other places had donne better other places with the same situetion did make better are making better . Poland has a 1 million people that had to move out to survive they so say . has tramps from the 60 `s buses on the roads that are so old I am surprise that still run , and burocracy that stop the progress , and leaders that waste time and money looking for staff in people past or using lot of cash to send the army to a war that has nothing to do with his priorities wich is put the country back in track .America sold Poland to the Russian they say ,today Poland help america to fight when Poland should fight to help his people to stay in Poland and not been Economical refugees in the UK ! think about people, all I am saying is give the people a chance .

Let me tell you about the people ! the old ladies I see strugling to clime the the old tramps and there are lot of them everyday moving around town and I see the old ladies at Market lot of them under the hot sun trying to sell flowers for improve they living and if you stop at this market right in the center of Warsaw and you can see the skycrapes and think Poland is doing well! but if you look to the old people ,is not charming what you will see, they old they been in the war they been in the 40 Comunist rule and now they free but they have to (sell flowers ) there are too many of then so they sell short of say ,some people buy becouse they sorry for them they have a 800 pension to live on is that grow is that poland doing well? when ther old folks seniors cityzen have to live like that I see some childrem not gypsies kid blond blue eyes kids asking for money on the streets things that I only see in Latin america really poors countries not in where sopose to be a part of ther European UNION . so there is a old jewish say`` Blind in the one that does not want to see `` so Poland has a lot to fix , a lot to grow right now is a poor country where young people have to leave to survive and the old people have to make all they can and can not to make day to day . I dont need to know Polish to see things a picture speak more then a million words

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