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southern   
14 Dec 2007
News / Polish-German Relations in the Present [697]

Next, I was shocked at how "fresh" the fallout from WWII is

Yes,it is fresh because in Europe there were mostly losers from this war and they want to know why they lost.

Where is this coming from? The grandparents? The young adults of today?". It seemed to me that it (unresolved anger, fear and frustration between Poland and

It is coming by itself,by the circumstances.When a Pole goes through some situations and certain behaviours,he starts to wonder why things are like this,what led to them.

Then I wondered, if I were a 20 something in Germany today, how would I react to all the restrictions, imposed guilt, overwhelming pressure to be so politically correct all the time? I have to say (as a very free Ammie of course) I'd be fed up! I had nothing to do with what that generation did! Why do I have to tip toe around on eggshells? To hell with this!

They say the same and cause even more anger to the other people who suffered from german actions.

This is MY life and I will live it my way. (Of course this would get me in a LOT of trouble in Germany).

You would have no trouble.Germany starts to use again the national emblems as a way to inspire people for higher productivity.

So what would happen? How would I rebel? How could I be an individual and have a voice, when conformity is demanded? I think I would burst at the seams. There is too much independent rebel in me.....I would probably do something counter to the culture just to be heard, even if I didn't really agree with the cause! I think I would have a kind of anger in me, looking for a way out.

In Germany you simply would not say anything because in this country the authorities are respected.If you rebel like this,you become a danger for the general well being.Amis in this aspect seem to Germans paranoid.

Does that make sense? Is that any different than a generation of young people struggling to assert themselves by letting their hair grow and following the Beatles? (another generation, I know...but you get the idea?

In fact it is some generation when people try to cut all their hair to make good skinheads.

My bottom line is this: I would rather see people speaking freely and "getting it out of their system" than keeping it bottled up (a pressure cooker eventually blows). I see that what comes out is a bit ugly sometimes, especially when one side does not try to see the other side's view OR tries to trump each other out of ego. *sighs*

It is Europe,you do not understand.What is free expression for somebody,it is fascism for somebody else.Many prefer control.

I can put myself into Polish shoes as well. There is a lot of pain, agony, and suffering there. But acting out the victim role is just as dangerous as boiling in the pressure cooker. It keeps you chained up to the past and prolongs the misery. It would eat me alive to try to live like THAT! How could I ever fight my way out of that kind of fog to do or be anything? I think I would feel depressed and "stuck".

I think in USA there are many minorities who play the victim role very efficiently.I have heard about affirmative action in favour of blacks,measures in favour of Hispanics etc.

My fave line from the "behind the scenes footage" of The Pianist from Roman Polanski (paraphrased): "This film shows that there is good and bad in all people. There were bad Germans and good Poles, but there were also good Germans and bad Poles".

Have you read Rokosovsky's orders to the red army?''Comrades you should realize that there are no good Germans.The only good German is the dead German.Kill,kill,glorious soldiers of the red army.Do not respect the pride of german women.Make them remember you with terror for the next hundred years''.
southern   
12 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

I believe that at the beginning Russia was the main threat fro GB and France and Germany was allowed to get into strength to be the last line of defense fro the western world. Still it was expected that the Russians will start the war and not Germany.

Since the strike of coal workers in GB in 1928 and the defeat of communist party that followed,Stalin had ceased to be a major threat for England.On the contrary nazis gained ground all the time.They had even appeared in USA.It was a decision of now or never for the English.

The only major force which could cope up with nazis in equal terms was Soviet Union.So the thought was to turn Hitler to the east,when he would start a long term war with Soviet Union resulting to weakening and fall of both communist regime in Soviet Union and nazi regime in Germany.In this aspect they made the mistake(also made by Hitler) to underestimate the power and control of Stalin over Soviet Union.They thought he was seriously weakened by the opposition,the Moscow trials,the disappointment of people by the famine,the gulags,the nationalist movements in Caucasus,Ukraine,Baltics etc.Nobody thought Stalin so strong that he actually was.

First they underestimated Hitler,then they underestimated Stalin.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

lol,you tell me,were next to France,youve got Russia ;)

Simply the politicians in England decided that nazism was more threatening than communism for GB's exsitence as a power in a free anglosaxon world.They could not tolerate the antisemitism and freedom limitation Hitler wanted them to accept.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

What ?...Hitler thought French were a subrace (not as the same degree that some other ethnics, but still...), he wanted to conquer France.
About England, he said that English people were better than French, but didn't love them,

According to Hitler the human race was divided in
1.Aryans(Germans,English,Dutch.Skandinavians).The French were also Aryans but in decadence since they had mixed in some percent with negroes
2.Mediteraneans(Spanish,Italians,Greeks etc).They were the second category,much lower rank than Aryans but also significant for civilization
3.Slavs.They were according to Nazis the lowest category of human existence.Some of them deserved to survive only to work as slaves for the Aryans.They were incapable of reason and constructive thinking.They had offered nothing to mankind.

4.Jews.They were intelligent but evil.They had to be exterminated since their existence caused misery for the Aryans.
5.Blacks.They were not part of human race.According to Hitler blacks belonged to the animal kingdom.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Hitler loved the English,had no desire for war with Britain and would have been quite happy leaving us(and probably france) out of his euro tour,as it was peace feelers were being sent out

Hitler made an offer to the English after the war in France that was repeated in Hess' visit.GB would keep its empire if it signed peace with Germany and let him attack Soviet Union without caring about a western front.GB rejected the proposition although both parts knew it meant the end of british empire.

In Oktober 1940 Hitler made another proposition to Molotov.If Soviet Union remains his ally and helps him to attack England,he will allow Soviet Union to conquer India and many of the british colonies in Asia.Molotov refused and asked Hitler to withdraw all his troops from Romania,Bulgaria and Hungary,to allow soviet ships operating in mediteranean sea,and to give Soviet Union military bases in Norway and Denmark!Hitler could not believe what the Soviets asked.He told them I have first to discuss with Mussolini such serious claims and then he gave orders to Wehrmacht to prepare operation Barbarossa.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

As a whole. There were a number of Czechs that helped the Allies.

Under Heindrich the Czechs were so satisfied by their life under nazism,that GB had to send two people to kill him in order to revive some kind of resistance.Their wages had become better during german occupation.Generally Czechs do not tend to resist a lot.(opposite to Poles,see their attitude towards Austrohungary,Napoleon wars,WW1,now etc).Generally I like Czechs a lot,they simply try to adjust,they do not like to fight wars.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Poland was a special case.It was special because it suffered severe damages and it did not win despite it was faithful ally to the winners.Take for example Italy.They were heavily engaged in axis,yet at the end of war they were almost considered winners due to italian diplomacy.Take France.They were defeated shamefully,yet at the end they paraded as winners although their resistance and general attitude could not compare to polish.The Czechs never fought,so in part they were responsible for their fate.The Hungarians,the Bulgarians,the Croats,the Romanians,all were axis allies,so their punishment was in part justified.

On the other hand all the nations which became western allies,the Greeks,the Serbs,the Norwegians,the Dutch,the Belgians,all gained their independance and a lot of financial support.

So you really have reasons to complain.But it should be in that context.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Where did you get those numbers????? A quarter of the population was gone after WW2. Did you mean because of concentration camps?

Again you fail to understand.Number of dead does not play any role now.The Soviets had 20 million deads.Poles lost half a million only in eastern Poland due to ukrainian nationalist actions and NKVD authorities.There is no point to compare losses.

You should center on what you can demand.For example the Germans destroyed Warsaw by plan.There is the written document to do that signed by german legitimate government.They did not destroy Paris or Rome.So since Germany is now united,you may claim compensations.It is estimated to be 50 billion euros by Kaczynski's comitee.

Really you have the legal rights to get this amount.
If you insist on english role,comparison of number of deads etc,you will gain nothing.Because the Germans will claim that they are not responsible for Nazis' actions and they also suffered from Nazi administration.You play the game anti-nazi,anti-communist,that is proposed to you.They will tell you,ask uncle Putin for compensations or use you simply as a means to press Putin to get some less expensive oil.Do not let them tool you and ask the Germans for compensations.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

I do not mean that.But you have to put it in the right context to make it believable.Otherwise everybody will say the same,for example,you Poles had half a million dead,we Germans had 4 millions due to Nazis,or americans had 350000 dead etc.You fail to cause sympathy.

The Jews managed to gain sympathy through exploiting holocaust as something unique that happened to them only,so if anybody tries to do the same the others will view him in disbelief.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

I think that the main mistake of Poles is to view their situation as unique as something extraordinary.Let's clear for example:
1.English gave guarantees of independance to many countries without being able to keep their promise.
2.Germans had plans for every single land in Europe whether or not they managed to apply them.
3.Soviets used massive deportations as a tool for internal stability and security.
It was not that the english,the germans and the soviets were anti-poles.Everybody had his plans for Europe and Poland was a part of the international conflict.
southern   
11 Dec 2007
USA, Canada / do polish girls like the canadians when they visit? [34]

Polish girls do not fall so much for money.They are not spoilt as much as their western counterparts.And most importantly they have seen now part of the western decadence making westerners far less appealing in their eyes.
southern   
10 Dec 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish girls 'too pretty' for British schools [150]

Not all polish girls are beautiful.Many of them are ugly and some very ugly.One out of twenty polish girls are stunning beauties.Five are plain beautiful,ten average and five ugly.This is the proportion.I notices the best looking babes in the flights to England,so I suspect the proportions there are different regarding appearance of polish girls,in respect to the fact that more beautiful girls have more chances to get hired.

The average polish girl looks better than the average english girl but not better than the average dutch or swedish girl.She looks definitely better than the average german girl,a little better than the average ukrainian girl,a little worse than the average slovak girl and better than the average belarus girl.

English girls are strange because a proportion of them look very pretty like barbie dolls,with excellent characteristics but the average is below the western european standard.I do not know where it comes from.I supspect in England there are two or three different gene pools that have mixed in some regions and remain intact in some others with effect on girls' appearance.The stunning english girls are in the same propotion with the stunning polish girls.The common beautiful girls are less in England than in Poland.

Also english girls are very much attracted by looks.If you look exceptionally handsome,you can get as many english girls as you want,which is not exactly the case in Poland.I mean polish girls do not place so much emphasis on looks as english girls do.They take them into account but it is only one of the features they pay attention to.

Anyway this is my opinion,maybe others see it differently.
southern   
9 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

Not "may" but for sure. Germans would have taken on France and low countries to eliminate a risk of attack from the back during war with Soviet Union and then Britain wouldn't have had excuse to stay away. And no matter, who would have won (Soviets or Gerries) they wouldn't have left GB alone.

GB simply intervened when Hitler tried to change the european balance of power dramatically to his favour.Hitler never intented to invade GB because in his view destruction of England would lead to strengthening of bolshekivism.
southern   
9 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

please have the courtesy not to call them "brits",I do not talk about dead "Pollacks" .

I am sorry,I did not know the term is derrogatory.Of course these people are brave and we are grateful for them since they fought and died for our freedom,in a war that in the beginning seemed to be lost.
southern   
9 Dec 2007
News / Poland turning into a religious state? Polish politic and Church. [96]

nobody

Nobody influences their vote in the West?

I used the word "indirectly", so if the priest criticizes one political party, the voters would unerstand that oposition coul be their choice

I would prefer the priests openly critisizing one party than waiting to be fed by every party.

nobody openly. I listen to Polish people talking about the Church at home and they are pretty critical about it.

I saw polish people praying on their knees in churches and having photos of Pope in their homes.
southern   
9 Dec 2007
News / Poland turning into a religious state? Polish politic and Church. [96]

I find society in Poland very tolerant and catholic influence does not have a very negative impact.(it creates some incovenience,a sense of control only).

I think that in smaller towns priest, maybe even inirectly influnce the voters in election on much greater level than we think. [/quote]

This is voters' choice to trust the priest.Who should influence them in your opinion?
Did any priest say ''vote Kaczynski,he is the man of God''?

good question, however who knows how many so called Catholics in Poland are real believers? There seem tobe a lot of pressure when it comes to remain a member of the Catholic church and so liitle room for the individual Catholic be critical of his own Church.

Who protests against catholic church inside Poland?
southern   
9 Dec 2007
History / WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland [290]

What do you think they were going to do,bypass Poland on the way to "Russia" and leave you guys alone,the land of dzerzhinski et al?

Look how easily they bypassed Sweden on their way from Norway to Finland.

They simply saw Poles as a force

As a workforce to be more specific.

probably with an eventual german victory over the Red Army,but at the very least a stalemate as ,without Britain still(or ever having being) in the war

Red army defeat would mean the death of England.Hitler would move his entire force to occupy the island if the British did not accept his terms.For sure GB would compromise.Without Soviet Union the war was lost for the West.

Yes they did,1975 was the date set as when there would be no more Poles alive,dont kid yourself G, you know hitler wanted the complete destruction of Poland,good

He did not want to exterminate the Poles.Only to eliminate the intelligentia and use Poles as slave-workers for the Reich.Polish workforce was considered an important factor for the Reich's prosperity.

of the august uprising troop levels in the city were down to a token force,mostly made up of second line police reservists etc. The reason the rising ran into trouble was that the germans had no problems reinforcing their troops as the eastern front proper was only a matter of miles away.
Anyway,what has the Warsaw uprising

Warsaw had no military significance for the Germans.They fought fanatically for it in order to cause clash between GB,USA and Soviet Union regarding the help to polish resistance.They wanted a heavy conflict between the allies that would lead to the dissolvement of alliance.
southern   
8 Dec 2007
Love / Things not to do with a Polish girl? [97]

You say for example ''if I were not gay,I would have fallen in love with you''.This is classic line.
Or you use push-pull.For example,''your necklace looks very nice'' but I saw it on another girl just a minute ago.