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osiol   
5 Apr 2009
Life / Easter presents for Polish people? [14]

I'm sure I will receive a few Polish frowns if I don't supply something egg-shaped and preferably made out of chocolate. I might just tell them that it's the local custom of where I'm from to give quails' eggs at Easter. Then again, because quails don't drop real chocolate out of their cloacas, I might just think about that idea, but find some actual chocolate to give instead.
osiol   
4 Apr 2009
Life / Funny pictures from Poland [23]

My former flatmate tried that on me before - telling me false names of things in Polish. I don't think I ever fell for it, although I was a bit sceptical about a few words that turned out to be true, just because I detected a slightly smirk. The last time I said anything along the lines of...

kapusta was tits in English. Mushrooms were pussy and bigos was cock.

I kept my honesty, if not my modesty and made no mention of cabbage.
osiol   
4 Apr 2009
Life / Is drinking water in Poland good? [96]

Fluoride in tap water does nothing for teeth. It stops nasty things living in the water though.

Try this at home: have a glass of water. How much even touches your teeth? The stuff you actually swallow just fluoridates your body generally, thus being of no benefit to teeth.
osiol   
3 Apr 2009
Language / Polish Masculine Virile Gender explained in full [4]

Okay, so that was better than nothing. Thanks PolishGirl.

These Lazy Men Are Eating Cakes

Apparently, adjectives, numbers and numerical expressions have masculine virile forms. These adjectives seem only to turn up in the plural. It looks like some sort of softening of the final consonant that marks the change of an adjective from masculine plural to masculine virile plural.

Ten leniwy pan je ciasto
Ci leniwi panowie jedzą ciasta

That's a nice simple one because -wy softens to -wi. Some are than simple, but not all of them. But now, having received confirmation from a wonderful PF poster about just how masculine this particular kind of plural has to be, we would also just talk about people generally (assuming there to be a mixed sex group)

Ci leniwi ludzie jedzą ciasta

But animals are not included
Te leniwe osły jedzą marchwie

Unless those animals are actually people.
Ci leniwi osły jedzą buty.

I'm just going to leave with a few examples of nominative plural adjectives in masculine virile, then for all other genders, which thankfully, are all the same. Then I will hope that someone else may shed a little more light on the subject while I sleep and dream about carrot cake. I've written more than enough that I still don't really understand. Corrections please, where necessary.

najlepsi - najlepsze ... best
najgorsi - najgorsze ... worst
starzy - stare ... old
młodzi - młode ... young
tacy - taki ... such
polscy - polskie ... Polish
drodzy - drogie ... dear (as in "Moi drodzy" at the start of a letter)
mali - małe ... small
duzi - duże ... large
którzy - które ... which (as in "Ci ludzie, którzy lubią ryby" - I don't know why I thought of that)

dobrzy - dobre ... good
źli - złe ... bad
osiol   
3 Apr 2009
Language / Verb aspect exercises [6]

Aspect choice is a little like articles in English

Take instruction manual, place back on bookshelf, go forth and communicate, for it is imperfective and so will you be. (I think that's the gist of it). Why do instruction manuals omit articles? Who knows?

The best I could find: 301 Polish Verbs by Klara Janecki.

Very reasonably priced too.

I have been meaning to indulge in the aforementioned text book, but never seem to get round to buying it, easy as doing so may be and at such a low cost as Mr. Sausage says. I have seen a few short lists of verbal twins, but I only ever really learn to speak the words I actually use. I can understand some of these twin words, but without actually remembering exactly what they are. Sometimes just understanding and being understood seem more important.
osiol   
2 Apr 2009
Life / Shower versus Bath in Polish home - which is preferred? [5]

Both.

People who say that having a bath means washing in your own dirt should compare how a bath really gets you clean but a shower doesn't. If you work with soil, mud, compost, oil, diesel, plants that ooze sap (especially pines, euphorbias, sumac), pesticides, dust and sh... you will appreciate the importance of having a bath.

If I scrub my nails and hands with a brush after one day at work, I can't get them clean. In fact, at the start of break and straight after work, I scrub my nails and hands as best I can. Even picking the dirt out and scrubbing them doesn't get them clean. Doing this and having a shower doesn't get them clean. Having at least a half hour soak in the bath does work. It is not always practical to wear gloves, and even with gloves, especially waterproof ones, when potting plants, they can gradually fill up with compost.

What I have spoken of, is visible dirt. There must also be invisible dirt that may be just as hard to shift, but its very invisibility means that, if you just have a shower, you don't know that it's still there.

At weekends, I'm quite happy just to have a shower, and on weekdays, a shower will usually suffice, but if I go for a Friday evening without having a bath, I am not a particularly nice person to know. Having mentioned all that filth, you are probably thinking two things: firstly, you're right, you're not a very nice person to know anyway, with all that mud and compost and soil and dist and pesticide residue; and secondly I can't believe I just read all this.

After you've been wallowing for an hour in such grime, it is advisable to have a rinse down under the shower.
osiol   
2 Apr 2009
Language / Polish Masculine Virile Gender explained in full [4]

Someone else is going to explain it in full. I'll just see if I can get this thing started. In some ways it works like another gender, or perhaps, along with masculine animate and masculine inanimate, it would better be described as a sub-gender.

I know that it makes a difference in certain cases - genitive and accusitive are the same in masculine virile, whereas they are not in masculine inanimate, with animate being somewhere in between by having adjectives the same as masculine animate and nouns the same as masculine inanimate, blah blah blah. Hopefully I haven't gone wrong already.

It also makes changes in verbs in the participle which forms the past and imperfective future tenses. Then there are some adverbial gubbins I don't understand or something like that. Well, I did say I don't understand.

My first question, though, is: in a mixed group - men and women, do things revert to the non-virile form?

A man and a woman:
Porozmawiali
Porozmawiały

I'm prepared to put two of my hard-earnt groszes on the first one, but I'm always prepared to find out that I'm wrong.
osiol   
31 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

Oh, we absolutely do. And our new Commie-in-chief is shoving us harder to the Left by the day. He just nationalized our banks and Auto industry yesterday. Well, just about.

Point taken. Somebody told me that some of these goings-on in the States mean that Manchester Utd. football club is now property of the US government, whereas Newcastle Utd. football club is property of the UK government through Northern Rock. If this is the case and I'm not simplifying everything too much, perhaps communism failed in Poland because they weren't good enough at football.
osiol   
31 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

One of the differences between communism and socialism is that the name communism was applied to the countries of the Eastern Bloc and how they developed what Marx wrote and turned it into what most of us know that it became. The word communism has become almost synonymous with that. It is extremely authoritarian and anti-religion (religion in the traditional sense). Socialism came to mean something much broader, including communism, but also including state-funded welfare, Christian socialism (an early branch that predates the Russian revolution) and other ideas. In fact, socialism predates communism.

Terms like left and right are also ambiguous, maybe even more so, considering for starters that in France, where not only the terms left and right originate, but also the word socialism, left has the meaning of radical or non-conservative. Now, if you consider conservatism to simply mean maintenance of the status quo, then in a country with a socialist political setup, conservatism will have the opposite meaning to what it does in a country like, say, the United States. The French fascists use the term left (gauche) to describe themselves because they mean to change the social and political order, even though in the English speaking world, they are generally considered to be far right.
osiol   
30 Mar 2009
News / Japanese red maples in Poland [15]

Are you a professional landscaper or landscape architect?

I'm a professional grower, but not a professional gardener.

Good Idea with the wall climbers, I hope they can cling-on to the porcelain tiles.

You'll need trellis for Clematis or Lonicera. Very few plants will be able to cling to smooth ceramic tiles.

Would covering a plant in fleece prevent it from getting air?

Use fairly light fleece, but possibly doubled up to give it an extra layer. You shouldn't have a problem with air getting to the plant. After talking to a Slovakian colleague about their climate down there in Slovakia, I'd recommend with any tender plants like Fuchsias, cut them back to just a few centimetres for winter and mulch with leaf litter, then cover with heavy fleece. Then expect the thing to die anyway!

snipers ghillie suit netting

I'm not entirely sure what this stuff is. I had a look on g**gle, but still not sure. Anything is worth a try though.
osiol   
30 Mar 2009
UK, Ireland / Why Scotland doesnt Need any Immigrants By a Scotsman [56]

I'm not so keen on English independence from Scottish hegemony as the balance of power would shift drammatically towards the conservative right. That doesn't mean I'm particularly keen on Labour / New Labour / Scottish Labour or whatever they are these days. Sorry all you Scottish nationalists about that.

Shall we all go and read some Adam Smith now?
osiol   
30 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

bad news he is buried in Rome, Italy

He wanted to be buried in the Vatican which is not part of Italy.
osiol   
30 Mar 2009
History / Ancient Polish History thread [180]

So populations of Germanic-speaking lands are somehow newcomers? The Basques came from somewhere else, rather than, as has traditionally been thought, that they are a group of people who have remained not just on the same territory, but also speaking the same language as the first settlers to their corner of Europe?

It seems that within the Pole, there may be some Balt, a bit of German, a bit of Jew even, within the national make-up. Russians are most definitely a mix of Slav, Balt, Finno-Ugrian and in more recent times historically, Tatar. The Balkans in historical times, was home to a variety of ethnicities, or at least, languages.
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

Nature invented informed choices. If it's a human thing, it's an animal thing. When people act barbarically, they are still using powers that seem only to be available to human beings, even if we say they are not using their brains.

Can we be sure of the power of the mind or lack of it in other animals - dolphins, elephants, chimpanzees, donkeys, etc.?
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
News / Japanese red maples in Poland [15]

I have remembered there is a Japanese Maple called 'Sangu-Kaku' or something similar, which has all the things you could possibly want from a maple, but also has bright red stems that stand out nicely in the winter. Better still, why not try some of this selection:

Prunus serrula (Himalayan Cherry) which is not the same as Prunus serrulata. P. serrula has pale pink spring blossom, green summer leaves, red ornamental cherries in the autumn and absolutely gorgeous red peeling bark, rather like the bark of a birch, only because it's red, when the sun, particularly the winter sun, shines through it, it glows around the edges of the trunk. Plant a couple of these, along with a couple of Betula utilis var. jacquemontii (Himalayan birch) and you have Poland colours and some very nice trees. Neither grow particularly large.

There are maples other than the Japanese ones that you could try. The obvious candidates would be the native European ones - Acer campestre and Acer pseudoplatanus. The former is good as a hedging plant or as a tree with its rough bark. The latter is a large tree and should be planted with plenty of space and caution.

Maybe you don't have room for all that, but you could easily find room for Fuchsias. Just look for ones with appropriately coloured flowers and remember to cover it with fleece in winter. Penstemons are good cottage garden perennials. Again, some have flowers that are both red and white, or you could find two varieties, one red, one white. Again, I can't remember the specific name, but I have seen a Gaura with red and white flowers. This is another small perennial.

If you like interesting leaf shapes and autumn colours, you could try Rhus typhina (Sumac) but that does have a habit of spreading by suckers which come up in other parts of the garden, in neighbours' gardens, over the other side of the road and maybe even through the living room floor. I have seen one in Poland that was behaving itself alright, but I can't guarantee good behaviour. If you have a large lawn and plant one in the middle, constant mowing around it will definitely help.

Finally, another addition could be some climbers - Lonicera (honeysuckle) and Clematis. Plenty of honeysuckles have appropriately coloured flowers and the range of Clematis is absolutely staggering. Train these plants along fences or amongst trees and bushes.

I'm not sure how many of these will be available in Poland, but certainly in Germany and other places west of Poland if you like driving a long way with a load of plants for company. I would still say that it would be worth trying with a Japanese Maple, but start with a small one and keep it in a pot so it can be taken under cover in winter.
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
Language / Verb endings attaching themselves to other words [9]

I don't expect to find myself using this kind of thing in the near future, but I think I ought to know what it's about. It is just another one of those things that makes Polish stupidly difficult. It seems that sometimes the verb ending that denotes the subject and number, can drift away from the verb and pop itself onto the end of a noun (one that is stressed apparently), leaving the verb as just the participle or something like that.

Examples:

Why did you come back?
Dlaczego wróciliście?
Dlaczegoście wrócili?

You were there yesterday:
Ty tam byłaś wczoraj
Tyś tam była wczoraj

But then it seems to get worse. If the verb in question is a form of być, then it might be omitted from the sentence, but with the ending still attaching itself elsewhere.

You were always the last one:
Ty zawsze jesteś ostatni
Tyś zawsze ostatni

Zdrowiście? - Are you in good health?

Questions:
Is this the only way endings can move from one word to another? Can they move from verbs to adjectives, for example? Can adjectival or noun endings wander about in a similar way? Where would this linguistic feature occur and when would it not occur? Is it just something that happens when a noun is to be stressed?

I admit to finding those examples already written down and I only tweaked them slightly to look good on this page. I shall now present you with my one that I have tried to work out with my own brain:

Zdezorientowanyście?
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
Language / adding się [21]

I wouldn't have thought of putting it at the beginning, but in future I shall try to keep it away from the end! Good idea?
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
Language / adding się [21]

I'm going to put this next bit in bold because it's something I wanted to start a thread about, but I'm not sure if they will allow me to turn it into a new topic.

Why and how does the word się move in a sentence when accompanied by other words?
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
Life / Old song I want to find (Maryna, Maryna gotuj pierogi!) [12]

I don't mean to be mean or anything, but that looks like it's just been through an online translator. Gotuj hasn't been translated into cook or boil. Flour would be for the dough, and so on. Is Maćku "mother" in diminutive vocative form?
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

Randal, you have failed to understand the point I was making. I didn't think I'd need to make so much effort to explain it.

uncivilized

and what does that mean? People call other people animals for many forms of bad behaviour, not just putting their elbows on the table when they eat, talking with their mouths full and not having an urbanised society.

Sure, all humans are technically animals but some are more animal than others.

Every human is as animal as every other human. There are different facets to human nature, some we like, some we don't like. They are all human, they are all animal.
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
News / Japanese red maples in Poland [15]

They grow fine in the UK with its maritime climate (that means a lot less cold in the winter than in Poland). I grow quite a wide range of Acer palmatums (palmata, I suppose that should be). If I were to give one to someone in Poland, I would guess that winter frost protection would be an essential. That could mean keeping it in a container and growing it on a balcony that can be covered in winter. I have seen that done in eastern Poland with a Nerium oleander.

Someone in southern Poland would have to be really nice to me to deserve a Japanese Maple as a gift.
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
Language / Iterative and semelfactive verbs [37]

Can anyone give me any more iterative or semelfactive verbs? So far, I think this thread has only taught me one - one very useful one, but still only one.
osiol   
29 Mar 2009
History / Why communism failed in Poland? [275]

Humans ARE nature.

It's just human nature. Man = animal. That's nothing to be ashamed of. If people thought about how humans are animals and that using the word animal as an insult, flies against the face of nature. "These people are behaving like animals" they say when people are doing something bad. Why not when people are just doing anything that people do?

Every ideology will eventually fail. It's called evolution. It's what animals do.