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Why Scotland doesnt Need any Immigrants By a Scotsman


Barrygaji 2 | 8  
28 Mar 2009 /  #1
We dont dislike immigrants , its just for last 300 years we havent had enough work for the Scottish people never mind bringing in immigrants, Scotland doesnt have enough work for Scottish people due to Englands Westminster government has always seen to that,

Scotland had Shipbuilding industry,Large fishing fleet, Car making industry, Coal mining industry,Steel mills, Clothing factories, Electronics...English governments removed all our industries and the coal fields destruction was the final straw, Scotland has a population of 5 million

England has a population of 65 million so before we got our own government whatever English voted for Scotland had to take,

Only reason England doesnt give Scotland Independence so we can create our own industries , is they wouldnt like to pay for our Scottish oil, and electricity and Water that England needs,

So we cant employ our own people and thats why we dont need immigrants at this time.
we have always welcomed the Poles, they helped us out when we had the many Miners strikes.and even WW2 .

And although most Scots dont have much we will share what we can, but thousands of immigrants is to much to move into Scotland at this present time.

From a Jock
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Mar 2009 /  #2
England has a population of 65 million

So England has a larger population than the UK? Interesting.
OP Barrygaji 2 | 8  
28 Mar 2009 /  #3
There is 8 million alone in London
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Mar 2009 /  #4
Well, if the SNP were wise then they'd make a referendum a 100% reality. Secondly, we ARE part of the UK, thus part of the EU with them. The Poles have a right to be in Scotland. Try around 48 million in England.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Mar 2009 /  #5
Well they are always complaining they have mass asians in every nook and cranny

Well I guess that explains it then. I completely forgot that Asians in England don't count towards the population of the UK.
OP Barrygaji 2 | 8  
28 Mar 2009 /  #6
Im not saying the poles have no rights in Scotland ,,Im just saying at the present time there isnt enough work for scots.why do we need immigrants what will they do, go on the dole.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Mar 2009 /  #7
Try around 48 million in England.

Probably just over 50 million. But nowhere near 65.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Mar 2009 /  #8
Well, with immigrants yes.

Isn't enough work for Scots? Create new jobs, be imaginative. There was a book on this, create your own career and line of work.
espana 17 | 937  
28 Mar 2009 /  #9
Barrygaji

your name sound asian to me .
sledz 23 | 2,250  
28 Mar 2009 /  #11
Try around 48 million in England.

Wow that many, I though it was around 30 million?

Get out of the EU before it destroys your country
OP Barrygaji 2 | 8  
28 Mar 2009 /  #12
my name is of a Scottish travelling people (Tinker language Barry means good, Gaji means man our language is called "The Cant" Scottish travelling people started after 1715 Jacobite rebellion and 1746 when English army made us all homeless, I dont think you will appreciate a lesson in Scottish History sorry cant explain in espanole
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Mar 2009 /  #13
Britain's Scottish PM is pro-Europe, sledz. A withdrawal ain't gonna happen any time soon.
espana 17 | 937  
28 Mar 2009 /  #14
no problems good man!!!! (thank you for the lesson)
time means 5 | 1,309  
28 Mar 2009 /  #15
1746 when English army made us all homeless

they made you homeless in 1746. are you like connor macloud in highlander or is it 17.46 hrs?
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Mar 2009 /  #16
Wow that many, I though it was around 30 million?

Get out of the EU before it destroys your country

It hasn't been that low since the turn of the century (1900 that is), long before the EU.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
28 Mar 2009 /  #17
Is Scotland going to get independence?, if so when?.

I am also curious what Scottish and English people think about Scotland being independent?.

Doesn't Scotland have natural resources, like gas and oil off the cost?.
sledz 23 | 2,250  
28 Mar 2009 /  #18
Is Scotland going to get independence?, if so when?.

Braveheart is coming:)
mafketis 34 | 12,236  
28 Mar 2009 /  #19
If Scotland doesn't need any immigrants, I guess it's safe to say it doesn't need any emigrants either and you'll take back the expatriots from countries that don't need/want Scottish immigrants?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Mar 2009 /  #20
Scotland has core industries that we have had for a long time. Oil+gas, farming, tourism and fishing to name but a few.

Ask szkotja2007, I think a referendum is being set for next year
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
28 Mar 2009 /  #21
Ask szkotja2007, I think a referendum is being set for next year

What about you?.
What are your thoughts on the matter of Scotland being independent?.
mafketis 34 | 12,236  
28 Mar 2009 /  #22
Actually most things I've read that crunch the numbers say that Scotland is a net recipient of money from England and that Scotland's economic problems are mostly because Scottish voters like policies that limit economic growth and vote for them (and are then astonished when economic growth is not great).
espana 17 | 937  
28 Mar 2009 /  #23
braveheart is dead but i have seen the loch ness monster
southern 75 | 7,096  
28 Mar 2009 /  #24
I think she would prefer braveheart.
Trevek 26 | 1,702  
29 Mar 2009 /  #25
Scotland had Shipbuilding industry,Large fishing fleet, Car making industry, Coal mining industry,Steel mills, Clothing factories, Electronics...English governments removed all our industries and the coal fields destruction was the final straw,

Barrygaji, with respect, like many Scots, you make it sound (perhaps unintentionally) like this was some conspiracy by the nasty, horrible English against Scotland. It's worth considering that England and Wales also had their heavy industries stripped and destroyed. Let's face it, perhaps the only reason Swan-Hunter shipyards on the Tyne were allowed to continue was so the governments could play them off against the yards in Glasgow and Belfast. Mines? Some English kids have read about them in history books or heard about them from their grandparents. Fishing fleets... I didn't recognise the North Shields fish quay from my childhood days when I was last there.

I'm curious about your claim that the Travellers were made homeless after the 1715/45. As I understood it there were Scottish anti-traveller laws (Romany, anyway) in place hundreds of years before that. One of the reasons there were communities around Rosslyn was because the local laird refused to enforce such laws (hanging).

I'm not disputing your own history, I'm just wondering if this was widespread displacement or were your family from a particular area?

Actually most things I've read that crunch the numbers say that Scotland is a net recipient of money from England and that Scotland's economic problems are mostly because Scottish voters like policies that limit economic growth and vote for them (and are then astonished when economic growth is not great).

Probably right but many would say that the money given to Scotland actually comes from Scotland to London first (I don't know how strong this argument is cos I don't know the figures).
OP Barrygaji 2 | 8  
29 Mar 2009 /  #26
Example years ago Rosyth Dockyard was going strong and employed thousands, then Government decided to use Devonport in south England and closed down Rosyth and then it was taken over by a private company but they didnt employ as many workers

When Maggie Thatcher decided to close down Fife Coal Mining industry, she promised to replace it by training the miners to do other jobs they didnt train anyone as they didnt replace it with any new jobs, same with all promises of what the Forth Road bridge would do for Central Scotland and all the work it would bring in, they came accross the bridge and started to build electronic factories etc under the bridge at places like Dalgety Bay all the foriegn companies from Japan etc, and after they got established for a few year got all grants then they moved all works to Europe for cheap labour, they just used Scotland to get a step into Europe.and closed down works in Scotland.
time means 5 | 1,309  
29 Mar 2009 /  #27
When Maggie Thatcher decided to close down Fife Coal Mining industry

was the above a English conspiracy to keep the English/Welsh mines open?

afterall the coal mining industry is booming in Yorkshire, Derbyshire,Notts and Wales post thatcher.
Trevek 26 | 1,702  
29 Mar 2009 /  #28
Barry, almost everything you say also happened in parts of England and Wales too.

Example years ago Rosyth Dockyard was going strong and employed thousands, then Government decided to use Devonport in south England and closed down Rosyth and then it was taken over by a private company but they didnt employ as many workers

Imagine if the government had used Rosyth, the people in Devonport would have said the same thing. Like I said, they play people off against each other.

Where I grew up in Shropshire (near the Staffordshire border) there was once a number of mines in the area and a lot of car and motorcycle industry in the Midlands area. Part of my family are from Tyneside, likewise, once a strong mining area. The heavy industries are all but gone in most of these areas (no mines in Shropshire). Much of the new factories are/were foreign, granted cheap rent and tax breaks by The Divine Margaret(sic) ...

An open door to Europe for many of the Asian companies...
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
29 Mar 2009 /  #29
Ask szkotja2007, I think a referendum is being set for next year

There is a White Paper out - heres a link Independence
independence2010.org

The sooner it happens the better :-)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Mar 2009 /  #30
This needs to happen. Why have the SNP in power if not for a referendum?

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